LimitedEdition Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 abs.. ang hirap paliitin... sabi kailangan mo sabayan ng diet Quote Link to comment
Swiper Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I would say my hamstrings. It just hurts like hell whenever I train them hard. Quote Link to comment
Palakol Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 i think isolation is for bodybuilders. more for a fine tuning after years of extensive compound movements. Quote Link to comment
Jacques Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 i think isolation is for bodybuilders. more for a fine tuning after years of extensive compound movements.My thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment
dikhedd Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Compound movements are definitely the way to go if you want to build overall strengths. Small muscles not recruited during isolated movements - the rotator cuff for example on the bench - will not strengthen the same rate as the muscle group because they are not used as much resulting in an overall weakness. Isolated exerecises are best to get "weaker" muscles in a group to catch up to the rest. Quote Link to comment
DMC Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 yah... forearms.. dont wanna be popeye. hahaha! Quote Link to comment
themeatman79 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Just a thought guys. One good scientific explanation behind compound exercises being much better than isolated exercise is synergistic testosterone shooting. So the more muscles being stressed, the more testosterone is being released by the body--- leading to stimulation of you secondary sex traits including increased muscle growth. That testosterone shoot when doing a full squat is much more potent than doing isolated exercises of your quads, gluts, etc. Quote Link to comment
Palakol Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 that's why people should stop with all the concentration curls, all the while referring to their arms as "guns," pick up a barbell, and do some damn deadlifts. Quote Link to comment
Pepeng Manas Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 one thing i've noticed with isolation(ers), is, they more often than not, have disproportioned muscle development... esp. the tricep part. Quote Link to comment
Jacques Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 one thing i've noticed with isolation(ers), is, they more often than not, have disproportioned muscle development... esp. the tricep part. Maybe that would be due to the fact that there's a strength and coordination imbalance between the right and left arm if you're right/left handed and not necessarily due to "isolation" exercises. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 that's why people should stop with all the concentration curls, all the while referring to their arms as "guns," pick up a barbell, and do some damn deadlifts. and most people I know can never grow their arms beyond 14' natural even if they do all these curls. Once they start prioritizing the compound movements, they suddenly start growing like they never have before Quote Link to comment
Palakol Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 (edited) but still, a guy who does curls is doing more than a guy who sits on his ass all day eating doughnuts and burgers, and has the guts to complain about his fat... well, gut. Edited July 7, 2008 by Palakol Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 7, 2008 Share Posted July 7, 2008 but still, a guy who does curls is doing more than a guy who sits on his ass all day eating doughnuts and burgers, and has the guts to complain about his fat... well, gut. of course at least he is doing something. OT, are you still interested in working in the fitness industry? if so, shoot me a PM Quote Link to comment
Pepeng Manas Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Maybe that would be due to the fact that there's a strength and coordination imbalance between the right and left arm if you're right/left handed and not necessarily due to "isolation" exercises.nah. left and right not same size... that's a given. im talking about the triceps too big for the delts. and in some instances, arms are bigger than the body. if you cover the arms and just expose the body, it's as if he's not workin' out. Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 nah. left and right not same size... that's a given. im talking about the triceps too big for the delts. and in some instances, arms are bigger than the body. if you cover the arms and just expose the body, it's as if he's not workin' out. Had this problem before. the solution, focus on standing military press Quote Link to comment
Pepeng Manas Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Had this problem before. the solution, focus on standing military pressyep... did that before... before i stopped last year. and yep, it's effective. you are the one who gave me that advise. Quote Link to comment
Jacques Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 (edited) yep... did that before... before i stopped last year. and yep, it's effective. you are the one who gave me that advise. Personal advice: Try to explore doing standind barbell/dumbell upright rows. Edited July 10, 2008 by Jacques Quote Link to comment
Pepeng Manas Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Personal advice: Try to explore doing standind barbell/dumbell upright rows.noted. Quote Link to comment
strepsils Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 that's why people should stop with all the concentration curls, all the while referring to their arms as "guns," pick up a barbell, and do some damn deadlifts. many people just train theri bicep and chest and they neglect ther back and legs! dont forget to train your legs! Quote Link to comment
dane Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Compound exercises first and foremost. For sometime now I have been concentrating on my core and there is no way to effectively work the core without doing compound exercises/routines. I can also attest to the strength gain one experiences incorporating compound exercises in each workout session. :thumbsupsmiley: I still do isolation exercises when I feel lacking on some routines I did for some body parts for example the arms. But I always start and incorporate more compound movements in my workout than isolations. I can feel it working best for me through sports such as basketball, soccer, golf and boxing. Compound exercise is the way to go. Quote Link to comment
impaler1432 Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Compound exercises first and foremost. For sometime now I have been concentrating on my core and there is no way to effectively work the core without doing compound exercises/routines. I can also attest to the strength gain one experiences incorporating compound exercises in each workout session. :thumbsupsmiley: I still do isolation exercises when I feel lacking on some routines I did for some body parts for example the arms. But I always start and incorporate more compound movements in my workout than isolations. I can feel it working best for me through sports such as basketball, soccer, golf and boxing. Compound exercise is the way to go. I totally agree. Compound exercises definitely helped me with my ball game. I'm involved in two different corporate leagues and my teammates have witnessed the changes in my game. I'm a lot quicker and my endurance has improved, to think I'm only on my second month of training. I was hoping to add a few inches to my vertical in a few months time. Quote Link to comment
DorianYates Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Compound exercises definitely rule but we need a mixture of both. For real development nothing beats Basic Compund exercises. I trained for at least 2 years, diligently I might add, doing the standard bench press, leg press, pull-downs, curls, etc. But it wasn't only two years ago when I really started using Basic Compund exercises as the foundation of my routine. Free weight Squats, Deadlifts, and of course the Bench Press (all powerlifting movements). I usually hit each body part with two heavy compund exercises then finish them off with Isolation exercises. You really develop functional power. :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
Olympus Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 All I have to say is more often than not, people start adding so much isolation exercises when they don't need it to begin with. Focus first on developing a good foundation with the basics. Quote Link to comment
impaler1432 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 All I have to say is more often than not, people start adding so much isolation exercises when they don't need it to begin with. Focus first on developing a good foundation with the basics. Check this out sir Olympus... http://www.gameface.ph/maai.php click on Division D Stats under Downloadables. I'm sure you'll find a familiar name. :thumbsupsmiley: Compound exercises rock!!! Quote Link to comment
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