kingsville Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Eugene Torre.. sa Pinas! All-time? I would say Kasparov, too.. Quote Link to comment
Brownman Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Robert James "Bobby" Fischer Classic Fisher/Spasky(sp) Quote Link to comment
bluegloves Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 as of now, maybe kasparov..many games and quality of players fought.fisher picked his opponents who he knew he could beat. fisher's not really a fierce competitor.he's good against those he chooses to play against. :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
oracle_man Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 ^^While it can be argued that Kasparov is better than Fischer, I have never seen any basis or proof that Fischer picked easy opponents. Nobody can pick his opponents in Candidates tournaments, heck, in a simple chess tournament, you can not even choose. Quote Link to comment
oracle_man Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) fisher picked his opponents who he knew he could beat. He had no choice. When you are a world champion, you will of course be confident (and should) that nobody can defeat you! So in that sense, Fischer had no choice - he knew he could defeat anybody. In his way to the being the World Champion in 1972, he annihilated his opponents and I am sure he felt he was invincible at that time. To wit, in the 1971 Interzonal, he won it 3.5 points ahead of the 2nd placer. He won his last 7 matches in the said tournament. He won his first two Candiates Matches via 6-0 sweeps against Taimanov (the Soviet gov't suspended him for the "embarrassment") and Larsen. In his 3rd and final Candidates Match series against former World Champion Petrosian, he won the first game giving Fischer the distinction of having the second longest winning streak against the world's top chess players (7 in Interzonal, 6 1st round, another 6 in the 2nd round, and the first game of the final round). The longest winnng streak by the way happened 1800s (Steinitz). Fischer won the final 4 games to win the series (5 Wins, 3 Draws, 1 Loss to Petrosian) to advance and challenge Spassky, who incidentally before that match, Fischer had never beaten (2 Draws and 3 Losses). He then achieved a then-record ELO rating of 2785. After beating Spassky (12.5 to 7.5), his ELO rating actually lowered to 2780. Edited August 8, 2008 by oracle_man Quote Link to comment
burn4nokia Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 the great bobby fischer Quote Link to comment
Solitude00 Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 (edited) Yup, no way Fischer could've picked oponents in tournaments. At that time, Interzonals were round robin tournaments, and there were even candidates tournaments for a while. Fischer got his GM title by being the youngest World Championship Candidate ever at that time, age 15 ... not these relatively easier to obtain "GM norms." BTW, ELO ratings are supposed to suffer from a built in "inflation" so I believe it is not really reliable to compare ELO ratings from different time periods. Anyway, I'll add another name to the list. For games that make you go WOW when played over, I'd pick the games of Jose Raoul Capablanca ... World Champion from 1916 (I think) to 1924. He lost the title to Alekhine, and was never given a chance for a rematch because Alekhine was a player who did choose his opponenets - and he never let Capablanca challenge again. At that time, there was no FIDE yet and the Champion could choose his challengers. =) Edited August 9, 2008 by Solitude00 Quote Link to comment
oracle_man Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) Yup, no way Fischer could've picked oponents in tournaments. At that time, Interzonals were round robin tournaments, and there were even candidates tournaments for a while. Fischer got his GM title by being the youngest World Championship Candidate ever at that time, age 15 ... not these relatively easier to obtain "GM norms." I believe what was played in round robin fashion in the 1960s was the Candidates Matches (For the uninitiated - Interzonals determine the top 8 and the Candidates Matches (among the top 8) determine the one and only challenger.). Fischer actually boycotted the Candidates Matches (and ergo, the Interzonals) for awhile because Russian players were colluding amongst themselves -> 3 or 4 will draw their matches among them easily and 1 or 2 will drop their matches to the 3 or 4 who will draw easily. This way, it was virtually impossible for a non-Russian to win the Candidates Matches Tournament. Because of this, FIDE changed the Candidates Matches into the still currently used system - knockout system in the late 60s or early 70s. In the 1971 Candidates Matches where Fischer emerged victorious, the knockout system was already being implemented. BTW, ELO ratings are supposed to suffer from a built in "inflation" so I believe it is not really reliable to compare ELO ratings from different time periods. Definitely agree. That's one of the reasons why I mentioned that when Fischer beat Spassky for the crown, his ELO actually went down. This only goes to show the great gap of "level" from Fischer to the rest of the field at that time. Edited August 11, 2008 by oracle_man Quote Link to comment
game_boy Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 the late great bobby fischer Quote Link to comment
george_bungot Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 (edited) i go for bobby fischer.... pardon my ignorance when did he die??? Edited October 1, 2008 by george_bungot Quote Link to comment
ayasadai Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 ^^ eto bro yung news... Bobby Fischer died today (January 18 - Manila time) at the age of 64. RIP Bobby. Robert James "Bobby" Fischer(March 9, 1943 - January 17, 2008) Quote Link to comment
darling Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 when I was playing serious chess, for some reason i loved capablanca. i still do, but the title of greatest player probably belongs to kasparov. Quote Link to comment
kingarthurII Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 there are 3-4 players that i could think of --capablanca, fischer and kasparov and the other one is a computer "deep blue" hahahaha Quote Link to comment
kingarthurII Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 but ill go on kasparov on this one ...anand too is mentionable Quote Link to comment
HighVoltageLover Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Fischer, Kramnik. Kailan kaya magkakaroon ng Chess EB? Quote Link to comment
horny devil Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 the late fischer, kasparov, topalov, kramnnik, carlsen.. sa pinas, So, Gomez, Laylo, Torre, Paragua Quote Link to comment
WayKurat Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Kasparov and the late Fischer. When you mention chess di sila makakalimutan Quote Link to comment
HighVoltageLover Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Fischer, Kasparov, Torre, So Quote Link to comment
RuinasLasCorazon Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) Fischer Edited November 28, 2008 by RuinasLasCorazon Quote Link to comment
edwardlasker Posted November 30, 2008 Share Posted November 30, 2008 For me, its mikhail tal. For sheer attacking courage and brilliance. I disliked the positional games employed by karpov and kasparov, as it delineated into who memorizes the most variations wins. For Tal, chess was ironically exciting. Google his games if you like po. Quote Link to comment
HighVoltageLover Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Kailan kaya magkakaroon ng Chess EB? Quote Link to comment
mlpf Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I used to play chess a lot when I was in school. The greatest natural talent was the late Bobby Fischer. It is too bad we never saw him play Karpov for the championship in 1975. Kasparov and Kramnik may be a close second. Quote Link to comment
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