Supplements - to Take or Not to Take?

[Jacques]

first, http://www.nutritiondiscounters.com/v/vspfiles/photos/67110-1.jpg

 

second, Whey Protein powders cholesterol free? I beg to differ, from a medical pov. PURE Whey protein isolates, maybe! a low amount, less than 15mg per scoop. Higher than that would mean it's main component is whey concentrates. These concentrates are to oxidized to a large degree. The number goes up when they are in storage. Again, I am speaking of the common Whey protein powders. Not the RAW material used. The one sold as a supplement? like ON, mrm etc.. (SUPPLEMENTS to take or not to take?)

 

Now, If you produce isolates of the cleanest form, then good for you. All you need is for it to be analyzed by a lab. Sell and help people discover the safe way to whey. I guess that makes you the resident house speaker for whey.

 

Whey Powders:

 

Optimum 100% Whey Protein

Amount Per Serving

Calories 130

Calories From Fat 15

% Daily Value*

Total Fat 1.5g 2%

Saturated Fat 1g 5%

Trans Fat 0g

Cholesterol 30mg 10%

Sodium 60mg 3%

Total Carbohydrate 4g 1%

Sugars 1g

Protein 24g

 

Ingredients:

Protein Blend(Whey Protein Isolates, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Peptides), Cocoa(Processed With Alkali), Coffee, Natural And Artificial Flavor, Lecithin, Acesulfame Potassium, Aminogen®, Sucralose, Lactase

 

MRM Metabolic Whey

Amount Per Serving

Calories 120.5

Calories From Fat 22.5

% Daily Value*

Total Fat 2.5g 4%

Saturated Fat 0.75g 3.5%

Cholesterol 25mg 6%

Sodium 50mg 2%

Potassium 125mg 3.5%

Total Carbohydrates 3g <1%

Fiber 0.5g 2%

Sugars 2g**

Protein 22 44%

 

 

META-Pro™ (Ultrafiltered, Low Temperature Processed Instantized Whey Protein Concentrate, Cross Flow Microfiltered Whey Protein Isolate, & NitroZyme™ - A Proteolytic Enzyme Preparation Containing Bioactive Peptidases Derived From A Plant Source), Cocoa, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Lecithin, Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCTs), Xanthan Gum, & Sucralose.

 

cholesterol and lactose free (not popular, and only a number of products, not commonly used and hard to get in the pi. why? because of it's price tag)

Protein Factory CFM Whey Isolate

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*

Calories 90

Calories From Fat 0

Total Fat 0g 0%

Saturated Fat 0g 0%

Trans Fat 0g %

Cholesterol 0mg 0%

Sodium 60mg 3%

Total Carbohydrate 1g 0%

Dietary Fiber 0g 0%

Sugars 1g

Protein 21g

 

 

But I guess jacques produces something like this locally, then that's good news to everyone who would use whey.

You're misinterpreting things again. You are forgetting than I am reffering to whey as in the protein isolate. The cholesterol you are seeing in the nutrition facts are by products of the other ingredients to make the whey taste better. If that's how you generalize, then you shouldn't be even touching other powdered milk products to begin with. Geesh...

[Jacques]

I'd say optimum is always a reliable source.

 

Some say MRM tastes good but that I have no idea of.

In addition, I think almost everyone would agree that you get the best bang for your buck with ON... unlike pricey stuffs like Nitrotech Imagine paying 3k plus for a 2 lb tub??? :thumbsdownsmiley:

[delavega]

You're misinterpreting things again. You are forgetting than I am reffering to whey as in the protein isolate. The cholesterol you are seeing in the nutrition facts are by products of the other ingredients to make the whey taste better. If that's how you generalize, then you shouldn't be even touching other powdered milk products to begin with. Geesh...

 

I think you are the one misinterpreting it. hehe. anything to have the last word huh? *lol* funny guy. We are talking about the whey protein powder here? Is anyone here able to get the raw material itself? I always spoke about the topic itself, Whey Protein food supplement? the one used by actual people, general public/available commercially? *lol* Who ever said I take powdered milk products? I think you better get your facts straight first, The ones that are found in books and journals, before you try to lecture me.. I am just laying the facts here. So again, http://static.pyzam.com/img/thumbs/g_340/graphics/7/MJZ1634.gif :goatee: :upside:

[Jacques]

I think you are the one misinterpreting it. hehe. anything to have the last word huh? *lol* funny guy. We are talking about the whey protein powder here? Is anyone here able to get the raw material itself? I always spoke about the topic itself, Whey Protein food supplement? the one used by actual people, general public/available commercially? *lol* Who ever said I take powdered milk products? I think you better get your facts straight first, The ones that are found in books and journals, before you try to lecture me.. I am just laying the facts here. So again, http://static.pyzam.com/img/thumbs/g_340/graphics/7/MJZ1634.gif :goatee: :upside:

But you did mention you're staying away from all "powdered" food products right? If you're trying to interpret things literally go ahead. It's kinda hard arguing with a doorknob anyways. My point here is that, if you're not sold on food supplements like whey, hey, no one's forcing you. And yes, if you take your journal sources as your bible, go ahead. Just dont be too naive that just because you read it somewhere, it's already the absolute truth.

[delavega]

But you did mention you're staying away from all "powdered" food products right? If you're trying to interpret things literally go ahead. It's kinda hard arguing with a doorknob anyways. My point here is that, if you're not sold on food supplements like whey, hey, no one's forcing you. And yes, if you take your journal sources as your bible, go ahead. Just dont be too naive that just because you read it somewhere, it's already the absolute truth.

 

it is based on science, not assumptions if that's what youre saying. *lol* so it's interpretation now? i never mentioned that i was being forced on whwy. this still is a thread for opinions right? *lol* \/\/hatever you say chief... :thumbsupsmiley:

[Palakol]

this is starting to look like a sherdog thread...

[Olympus]

In addition, I think almost everyone would agree that you get the best bang for your buck with ON... unlike pricey stuffs like Nitrotech Imagine paying 3k plus for a 2 lb tub??? thumbsdownsmiley.gif

 

the ON product line is one of the most under-rated lines.

 

this is starting to look like a sherdog thread...

 

you definitely got that right.

 

next thing you know we'll have more images posted

[SixSickSleek]

guys need help here.... please pm me naman po kung anong suppliment ang pwede ko inumin para mejo pumayat i tako hydroxycut pero mejo hindi ko trip kc nag kaka pimples ako sa likod and hindi ako maka sleep unless after 10 hours after taking hydroxycut. hindi naman ako mataba konting chubby i think, 150 lbs ako i stand 5'5. kaso mejo malaki tyan ko dahil sa kakakain higa upo. pero nag work out na ako now 3x a week. ano po bang program ang pwede ko gawin para lumiit yung tyan ko? TIA! please pm me sa sagot nyo bihira lang kc ako mag online sa MTC eh TIA!

[NihonJin]

^^ i would like to ask the similar question. but i am 157lbs and 5"7 in height. i dropped from 161lbs within 3 weeks and that's a relief i say!

 

@SixSick >> i encounter the same phenomena for Hydroxycut hehe.., i got those annoying pimps in mah back also.., i switched to Lipo6 and i dunno kung dun ko naman nakuha ang An2x ko sa likod ngaun! baka madumi lang skin ko hehe..,

 

Hydroxycut recommends the dosage not less than 6 hours before bedtime i think.., pero kung almost 10 hrs at di ka pa din makatulog, i think you should not take dosages before your dinner..,

[Jacques]

^^ i would like to ask the similar question. but i am 157lbs and 5"7 in height. i dropped from 161lbs within 3 weeks and that's a relief i say!

 

@SixSick >> i encounter the same phenomena for Hydroxycut hehe.., i got those annoying pimps in mah back also.., i switched to Lipo6 and i dunno kung dun ko naman nakuha ang An2x ko sa likod ngaun! baka madumi lang skin ko hehe..,

 

Hydroxycut recommends the dosage not less than 6 hours before bedtime i think.., pero kung almost 10 hrs at di ka pa din makatulog, i think you should not take dosages before your dinner..,

You see, Hydroxycut and Lipo-6/6x basically share the same "core" ingredients (don't be misleaded by the fancy names and endless ingredients you see in the "blends" hydroxycut hardcore. Basically, you have caffein, yohimbine, green tea extracts and guggulsterons. All of which are stimulants by nature. They stimulate adrenal glands which then release adrenaline in the bloodstream. This is why some/most users experience anxiety, cold sweats and rapid palpitations even when not performing exercise. Remember that adrenaline is basically a hormone. Any surge of hormones will cause a ph change in the bloodstream. In this case, when adrenaline floods the blood, you also increase cortisol levels (indicator of stress) and for some it also slightly affects testosterone and estrogen levels to a slight degree. To sum it all, this may be the reason why some would experience acne.

 

If you'd follow my advice, take the first serving after waking up on an empty stomach, and the next (last) dose 6-8 hours after in the mid/late afternoon. Never compromise the quality and quantity of sleep you should be getting. Because lack of sleep will also cause hormonal changes in the body that can also lead to awful acne breakouts.

[Jacques]

the ON product line is one of the most under-rated lines.

 

 

 

you definitely got that right.

 

next thing you know we'll have more images posted

In the Philippines ON really is a quiet brand. But in the states, it has become one of the best selling whey product out there. I remember then, around a decade ago, Designer Whey was the brand of choice fitness enthusiasts and etc. EAS tried to market their whey but never really made it big aside from their Phosphagen/HP "creatine" supplement. Then Muscletech came bombarding with thousands of cheesy ads promoting Cell-tech and Nitrotech. In the end, On, the silent brand, became the choice of the majority for economic reasons combined with good quality.

 

By the way, I have a friend who runs supplement and vitamins store in the US and Canada. He told me that ON 100% Whey has been his best seller ever since. Dymatize Elite and Musclemilk are not far from the race. And those people purchase Nitrotech and Celltech are usually "gullible" teen agers.

[Olympus]

guys need help here.... please pm me naman po kung anong suppliment ang pwede ko inumin para mejo pumayat i tako hydroxycut pero mejo hindi ko trip kc nag kaka pimples ako sa likod and hindi ako maka sleep unless after 10 hours after taking hydroxycut. hindi naman ako mataba konting chubby i think, 150 lbs ako i stand 5'5. kaso mejo malaki tyan ko dahil sa kakakain higa upo. pero nag work out na ako now 3x a week. ano po bang program ang pwede ko gawin para lumiit yung tyan ko? TIA! please pm me sa sagot nyo bihira lang kc ako mag online sa MTC eh TIA!

 

^^ i would like to ask the similar question. but i am 157lbs and 5"7 in height. i dropped from 161lbs within 3 weeks and that's a relief i say!

 

In the Philippines ON really is a quiet brand. But in the states, it has become one of the best selling whey product out there. I remember then, around a decade ago, Designer Whey was the brand of choice fitness enthusiasts and etc. EAS tried to market their whey but never really made it big aside from their Phosphagen/HP "creatine" supplement. Then Muscletech came bombarding with thousands of cheesy ads promoting Cell-tech and Nitrotech. In the end, On, the silent brand, became the choice of the majority for economic reasons combined with good quality.

 

I always liked ON. AST also looks promising, but I have only tried dymetadrine extreme back in college

The first thing I'll ask is how are your eating habits?? Even if you take these fat burners, if your have poor eating habits, you still won't lose the fat

[Solitude00]

Dunno if this is off-topic but I tried beta alanine for the first time earlier and liked it. Muscles gave out when fatigued but I didn't experience the "burning" sensation that normally accompanies a high rep workout. At this point I can't say if it'll really allow you to crank out the extra reps ... but if the reps are limited by the lactic acid build-up ... then it seems to be very helpful.

[Olympus]

Dunno if this is off-topic but I tried beta alanine for the first time earlier and liked it. Muscles gave out when fatigued but I didn't experience the "burning" sensation that normally accompanies a high rep workout. At this point I can't say if it'll really allow you to crank out the extra reps ... but if the reps are limited by the lactic acid build-up ... then it seems to be very helpful.

 

BA is actually one of the most under-rated supplements in the market today.

 

I always have a serving ready for my volume or RE days and it never fails me

[Solitude00]

BA is actually one of the most under-rated supplements in the market today.

 

I always have a serving ready for my volume or RE days and it never fails me

 

Cool. Am not really into supplements (except for the 1 scoop of Whey post-lifting) since I don't think I am "advanced" enough to for them to be truly worthwhile - I've always thought of supps as something you use when you're already down to 12% BF and want a little boost to drop the extra percentage point or so. Hehehe. BUT ... I was really impressed with that small dose of beta alanine. Good stuff indeed.