Supplements - to Take or Not to Take?

[DMC]

ur si sir jacques!!!

[johnlove]

DHEA induces and promote elevation of testosterone levels in the body. Go figure.

Is this the same as 'Endurance"?

or is it similar to HGH (human growth hormone)?

[Jacques]

Is this the same as 'Endurance"?

or is it similar to HGH (human growth hormone)?

I'm not aware of what's the content of endurance. But one thing's for sure, and that's DHEA is not similar nor produces results like HGH. DHEA is a promotes increased testosterone production only to a significant volume. Unlike when injecting testosterone itself wherein you are introducing 500% or more testosterone levels of what your body is producing. HGH is a different hormone and acts differently from testosterone. Although HGH has its anabolic and metabolic properties, it doesn't share the androgenic properties of testosterone.

[DMC]

sirs!! vets!! question! npnsin ko lately mnedyo nagccrave me sa choclate drinks..im thinking of going back to MILO hehe but i think medyo pambata na cya. ok lng ba ung ENERVON HP? or WHEY nlng? in terms of price and budget din kasi..im thinking mag mura ang 5lbs na whey.. (not really sure if im right) since 2k lng cya which is good for 2 months at most.kaso di ko tlga type lasa.maybe bcoz rocky road binili ko nun. hehe. versus ENEVRON HP na every now and then bibili ka. help po! energy drink na chocolate.but if u know better alternatives.ur opinions are very much appreciated.

[Jacques]

sirs!! vets!! question! npnsin ko lately mnedyo nagccrave me sa choclate drinks..im thinking of going back to MILO hehe but i think medyo pambata na cya. ok lng ba ung ENERVON HP? or WHEY nlng? in terms of price and budget din kasi..im thinking mag mura ang 5lbs na whey.. (not really sure if im right) since 2k lng cya which is good for 2 months at most.kaso di ko tlga type lasa.maybe bcoz rocky road binili ko nun. hehe. versus ENEVRON HP na every now and then bibili ka. help po! energy drink na chocolate.but if u know better alternatives.ur opinions are very much appreciated.

If it's protein you're looking for, you can't go wrong with whey. Whatever way you put it, Milo, Ovaltine and Eneveron HP will simply taste better because it's packed with sugar and fats. Check the nutrition facts and do the math.

[DMC]

If it's protein you're looking for, you can't go wrong with whey. Whatever way you put it, Milo, Ovaltine and Eneveron HP will simply taste better because it's packed with sugar and fats. Check the nutrition facts and do the math.

 

 

hmmm... ok ok. thanks! will do!

[DMC]

Sirs!! where do i buy PureCEE??

[Olympus]

Sirs!! where do i buy PureCEE??

 

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[dudulover]

Is this the same as 'Endurance"?

or is it similar to HGH (human growth hormone)?

enduranz i've read contains a natural herb called "tongkat ali" ...the way it works daw is that it triggers your hypothalamus to produce testosterone when your body needs it...parang pinupuno daw ulit...kaya all natural...your body still produces testosterone...

 

i don't think it's like DHEA...which is a steroid...

Edited June 8, 2008 by dudulover

[JesusFreak!]

Just quoting from this site:

http://www.defensenutrition.com/article/ex...and-weight-gain

 

Problem: Estrogen chemicals in food and water cause fat gain and disease.

 

We live in an "over estrogenic world". Never before has the human body been exposed to such an overwhelming amount of estrogen chemicals in the environment, meat, dairy, produce and water supply. Most people are prone to suffer from excess estrogen sooner or later in life. Excess estrogen, also known as estrogen dominance, occurs when estrogen levels are relatively too high, compared to other sex hormones (i.e. progesterone or testostone). Excess estrogen is associated with increased estrogen activity in the body. Estrogen chemicals are not the only reason why we suffer from excess estrogen.

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Aging (both genders) is also associated with increased estrogenic activity (increased conversion of testosterone to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme). The use of drugs is another contributor to estrogen dominance. Athletes may suffer from over estrogenic activity due to steroidal drugs or "estrogen kickbacks" when on and off the drugs. Women on hormonal replacement therapy may suffer from increased levels of harmful estrogen metabolites and a related increased risk for cancer.

 

Consequently, there is an ever-growing rate of people who fall victim to estrogen's devastating effects, some of which include weight gain (for men, typically in the belly or chest; for women typically in the hips, lower butt, upper thighs), feminization and sterility in men and estrogen disorders, including PMS and endometriosis for women as well as estrogen related cancers for both genders, including breast, ovarian and prostate.

Estrogen related weight gain (stubborn fat)

 

Studies demonstrated that estrogen acts in a vicious cycle-like manner, i.e. estrogen increases the size of fat tissues and the enlarged fat tissue increases estrogen production and so on and so forth. Note that excessive fat gain can lead into over estrogenic activity (due to increased conversion of testosterone to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme in fat cells). Over estrogenic activity increases the number of estrogen receptors in fat cells thus forming a highly estrogenic fat tissue known as "stubborn fat" due to its high resistance to fat burning.

 

Certain estrogen inhibiting compounds in food help lose weight (stubborn fat) and also defend against cancer.

Bad and good estrogen

 

When over expressed, estrogen may convert to extremely toxic compounds - 16 hydroxy estrones. Known as "bad estrogens", 16 hydroxy estrones have been regarded as the culprit for some of the deadliest cancers including breast, ovarian and prostate.

 

Note that estrogen is not a "bad hormone". Under healthy conditions, it supports the neural, skeletal and reproductive systems. Ideally, estrogen converts to highly beneficial derivatives - the 2 hydroxy estrones, which play critical roles as antioxidants and anti-cancerous compounds. Called "good estrogens", the 2 hydroxy estrones may induce cancer cell's apoptosis (cell's suicide).

 

However, when the body's nutritional defenses are low and estrogen is over-expressed, it unfortunately converts instead into the toxic compounds 16 hydroxyestrones, associated with adverse effects, including stubborn fat gain and formation of cancer cells.

Nutritional defense against estrogen

 

Researchers found that the human body has been primarily programmed to be nourished and protected from over-estrogenic activity by certain flavones or indoles in plants and bee products that inhibit estrogen and block its conversion to the highly carcinogenic derivative 16 hydroxy estrone. Instead, estrogen converts to antioxidant, anti-cancerous compounds. Overall, estrogen inhibitors can help increase the ratios of 2 hydroxy/16 hydroxy estrone (verifiable by urinalysis), which also marks improved defense against cancer and an overall reduction in estrogenic activity.

Estrogen inhibitors stack for total body defense

 

It was also found that estrogen inhibitors' nutrients work better when combined together in synergy to provide a total body (systemic) defense against over-estrogenic activity in three ways:

 

1. Reducing estrogen receptors' activity

2. Inhibiting the cytochrome p450 aromatase activity (the enzyme that converts testosterone to estrogen)

3. Inhibiting the conversion of estrogen to 16 hydroxy estrone and instead increasing its conversion to 2 hydroxy estrone

 

Estrogen inhibitors - flavones and indoles

 

Numerous studies investigated the role of flavones in regulating estrogen. It is now known that certain nutrients help inhibit estrogen, whereas others promote it. For instance, most potent estrogen inhibitors (good guys) were found to be the antiaromatase flavones 5.7 dihydroxyflavone (derived from tobacco or passiflora), apigenine (ingredient in passiflora and chamomile) and galangin (ingredient in bee propolies). Other natural estrogen inhibitors are omega 3 oils (found in flaxseed, hempseeds or nuts). Potent estrogen regulating nutrients are also found in cruciferous vegetables. Previous studies provided substantial evidence to the highly beneficial properties of Diindoly methane (DIM) - an active indole derived from broccoli, cauliflower or cabbage, which helps block the conversion of estrogen to its adverse derivative 16 hydroxy estrone, and thus helps protect against cancer.

 

The researchers noted that certain flavones, in particular isoflavones such as those found in soy, actually increase aromatase and estrogenic activity, as does an excess intake of omega 6 oils (found in most vegetable oils including corn, canola, safflower and soy).

 

In a world which is already over estrogenic, it is critically important to know the difference between the "good guys" and the "bad guys". Any nutritional program today must balance estrogen promoting nutrients with estrogen inhibiting nutrients. Unfortunately, mainstream nutrition and the medical authorities fail to provide any guidelines of how to deal with the aforementioned.

What to do

 

Follow The Anti-Estrogenic Diet. Until then, increase intake of cruciferous vegetables (broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts or cabbage). Eat them cooked or steamed. Cooking softens the fiber, and therefore helps release the active estrogen-inhibiting ingredients. Broccoli sprouts are rich in active indoles and should be consumed raw.

 

* Increase the intake of omega 3 oils derived from flaxseeds, hempseeds, or fatty fish (wild catch) such as salmon, halibut, mackerel, or black cod.

* Decrease the intake of omega 6 oils derived from soy, canola, or safflower. For that matter, stay away from margarine products, even if they claim to be cholesterol-free.

* Note that all monounsaturated oils-(omega 9) such as olive oil or nuts are neutral to estrogen activity, and therefore quite safe.

* Eat organic food. Minimize the consumption of meat or dairy, unless they are hormone and chemical free. Fruits with a peel (banana, orange or kiwi) are generally safer than fruits without a peel (berries, cherries and grapes) due to lower exposure to pesticides after peeling.

* Minimize alcohol intake. Alcohol increases estrogenic activity and its conversion to toxic derivatives.

* Supplement with estrogen inhibitors (aromatase inhibitors flavones and estrogen modulating indoles). Unfortunately, most estrogen inhibitors are derived from herbs or bee products, which are not part of our typical diet and are not always accessible in their most potent form.

 

The most potent viable estrogen inhibitors are:

 

* 5.7 dihydroxyflavone (chrysin) derived from tobacco or passiflora

* apigenine - derived from passiflora, also an ingredient in chamomile

* galangin - an ingredient of bee propolies

* diindoly methane (DIM) - derived from broccoli

 

Note that each of the above estrogen inhibitors requires different doses to be safely effective.

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[Jacques]

enduranz i've read contains a natural herb called "tongkat ali" ...the way it works daw is that it triggers your hypothalamus to produce testosterone when your body needs it...parang pinupuno daw ulit...kaya all natural...your body still produces testosterone...

 

i don't think it's like DHEA...which is a steroid...

 

Anyone have any positive reviews from "Enduranz" and can attest to its effect on physical (sports, weight lifting, sex, etc.) performance?

[DMC]

Anyone have any positive reviews from "Enduranz" and can attest to its effect on physical (sports, weight lifting, sex, etc.) performance?

 

 

i think some people have good feedbacks abt this @ enduranz thread

[quantum_boi]

try nyo guys Krypto Organic... Cell food

[screwer]

tanung lang po.

meron ba kayong sinusunod na guidelines sa pagpili ng supplements?

hindi yung supplements like protein shakes for body building. yung regular vitamins po like stresstabs, centrum, alive, goji juice, etc.

sa sobrang dami ng available supplements, eh nakakalito na. who do you follow? ung sikat na artistang nag-endorse, yung kaibigan mo na nakatry na, yung doctor mo, nanay mo? :hypocritesmiley:

[Jacques]

tanung lang po.

meron ba kayong sinusunod na guidelines sa pagpili ng supplements?

hindi yung supplements like protein shakes for body building. yung regular vitamins po like stresstabs, centrum, alive, goji juice, etc.

sa sobrang dami ng available supplements, eh nakakalito na. who do you follow? ung sikat na artistang nag-endorse, yung kaibigan mo na nakatry na, yung doctor mo, nanay mo? :hypocritesmiley:

 

If its multi-vitamins and minerals you're looking for, just go with a reputable brand... well for me, I also would consider the cost. Thus, it's a balance of basically a good brand and the cost it has. I currently take Rogin-E by the way. Used to be it was Pharmaton but it bacame way too expensive.

[dedbol]

sakin una yung manufacturer dapat may tiwala ka. kahit walang ads pero kilala for quality products.

tapos yung inclusion rates ng mga vits, minerals. in relation to the cost - compare sa ibang products.

yung results kasi ng mga yan halos hindi mo mapapansin. important sakin yung resistance sa mga sakit.

 

 

tanung lang po.

meron ba kayong sinusunod na guidelines sa pagpili ng supplements?

hindi yung supplements like protein shakes for body building. yung regular vitamins po like stresstabs, centrum, alive, goji juice, etc.

sa sobrang dami ng available supplements, eh nakakalito na. who do you follow? ung sikat na artistang nag-endorse, yung kaibigan mo na nakatry na, yung doctor mo, nanay mo? :hypocritesmiley:

[topsykretts]

just whey protein isolate before and after workout. i complement it with right diet, which is quite tough to follow religously. besides, wala naman akong ambisyong mag compete. hehehe.

[undra]

anyone here know where to get Isopure whey protein locally?

[mr. john]

centrum, clusivol and stresstab are all products of wyeth. and according to them(my sister is working there), the most complete is really centrum.

[Jacques]

If you can afford it, I'd personally say tat Universal Nutrition's Animal Pak is the best multi-vitamin "stack" for active people.

[Captain_Caveman]

I was wondering and contemplating kung ita-try kong mag-Fitrum. Guys, sino sa inyo ang naka-take na nito?

 

Effective ba?

[Captain_Caveman]

I was wondering and contemplating kung ita-try kong mag-Fitrum. Guys, sino sa inyo ang naka-take na nito?

 

Effective ba?

[hardtohandle]

Save your money... Kung may epekto man yan, placebo effect na lang siguro. And dont believa that Juday lose weight because of Fitrum...

[dpackager04]

i think its good... so take what uve been missing

[unlucky0_0one]

san ba makakabili nito ng mura? MUSCLETECH CELL-TECH HARDCORE CREATINE o kaya Creatine (ethyl esther )

 

pa-pm na lang ng price kung may nagbebenta dito