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walang sagot sa post ko??? wahahah, napatunayan ko kasing nagpapalusot na lang...

kaya kung babalikan ang mga post dito, sanga-sanga na yung inilalabas ng isang GM

na argumento... wala nang pinatutunguhan... kung hindi kayo naniniwala sakin, balikan'

nyo lahat ng post... paiba-iba ang sinasabi, conflict pa...

Nonsense :) hahahaha

 

No reference, just your opinion.... need I go on....

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Game 2:

"You know what, credit to Miami, honestly. First start there. They outplayed us. They ended quarters better than us. We turned the ball over more than we should have. Credit to them. We didn't play well. We didn't shoot well. I know I played awfully." -- Tim Duncan

 

Miami had more fast breakpoints and a bit higher FG% and more inside points. Spurs more rebounds.

 

Game 4:

The big 3 totaled 85 points tonight and each shot better than 50 percent from the floor -- 37-for-64 combined (58 percent).

 

Game 6:

Almost identical stats except for the 3pt FG: 11/19 Heat vs 5/18 Spurs. And Miami also had more inside points.

 

Game 7:

Same story as game 6. Although lower 3 FG%: 12/32 Heat vs 6/19 Spurs. The 3pt FGs made is a big difference as well as the inside points.

 

What's the relevance of these in relation to your claim that "the fact is the Spurs when they needed to"

 

All I read about are reasons behind why the Spurs were not able to keep up with Miami offensively happy.gif

 

 

:D Open mind?

 

We all know defense helps a lot. But it isn't the number of blocks, or more shots made tough that decided the finals.

 

What specific defensive stat will you use to say that the offense was negligible and that the the defense is the one that won these series?

 

 

 

Defensive stats? did I say I would use that? ...I stated earlier how the Spurs scored less against than their reg season ave versus the Heat. Now look at the FG%. Analyze then make your conclusion

 

 

 

 

This is the regular season stat .. .

 

Miami shot 49.6% and their opponent FG% is 44% on the other hand the spurs own FG% is at 48.1% while their opponents FG% is 44.2%. From here you know that Both teams can shoot at 48-49% and on the other hand contain their respective opponents to around 44%

 

 

Now this is the respective FG% if the Heat and Spurs respectively in the finals:

 

Game 1 Heat .436 Spurs .417

 

Game 2 Heat .494 Spurs .410

 

Game 3 Heat .408 Spurs .489

 

Game 4 Heat .529 Spurs .443

 

Game 5 Heat .430 Spurs .600

 

Game 6 Heat .469 Spurs .435

 

Game 7 Heat .439 Spurs .378

 

 

Did the Heat outperform themselves on the offensive end if you base it on their own FG%?

 

Did the Heat outperform themselves in limiting the opponent's FG%?

 

Don't you think playing D is a factor for forcing a lower FG% on your opponent?

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YES I read the link and it says:

 

So if you read and understand by now, you should have know the logic behind Pop's decision. Let the Heat beat you with a lower percentage shot. Knowing that there is the possibility of a three point attempt you have to defend it and need mobility. You don't need to foul as well since you still have a one point lead.

 

The link refers to our offense-defense discussion of Miami heat. Not Pop's strategy. You are relating the wrong comment to the link.

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The link refers to our offense-defense discussion of Miami heat. Not Pop's strategy. You are relating the wrong comment to the link.

 

nope you read me right ...

 

the problem is sarado kasi pananaw mo with your bias. Tingnan mo ang pinakita sa link at magisip ka kung bakit Pop decided to play honest D and defend the three.

 

 

As I said I am not a Heat nor a Spurs fan I call it just the way I see it without favoring any team

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What's the relevance of these in relation to your claim that "the fact is the Spurs when they needed to"

 

All I read about are reasons behind why the Spurs were not able to keep up with Miami offensively

 

Naguluhan ka na yata? Ang pinag-uusapan is Miami's offense winning and you said it's their defense. It has nothing to relate with the Spurs scoring..... :D

 

Ang tagal na ng scoring discussion na yan with the Spurs. Nasa offense-defense discussion na tayo ng Miami. Was there any relative post kaya dun mo na-connect?

 

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/143/files/2011/06/miami-heat-facepalm.jpg

 

nope you read me right ...

 

the problem is sarado kasi pananaw mo with your bias. Tingnan mo ang pinakita sa link at magisip ka kung bakit Pop decided to play honest D and defend the three.

 

As I said I am not a Heat nor a Spurs fan I call it just the way I see it without favoring any team

 

When I posted that link it's discussing how Miami's offense won. You read the reference and because it's long, you specifically chose the Pop's overall strategy. Was I discussing that with you? I'm only discussing the critical plays.

 

Hindi bias kundi ang pinag-usapan natin dito from the start are the crucial mistakes that cost them the title.

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When I posted that link it's discussing how Miami's offense won. You read the reference and because it's long, you specifically chose the Pop's overall strategy. Was I discussing that with you? I'm only discussing the critical plays.

 

Hindi bias kundi ang pinag-usapan natin dito from the start are the crucial mistakes that cost them the title.

 

Well you wanted to show me a link that says Miami shoots its way to the title and yet hindi ko pwedeng i-highlight yun other points ng link just because it won't help your cause?

 

How bias and one track minded can you be bro to see things only that favors your argument.

 

 

Alam mo ganito lang yan ... abutin man tayo ng isang taon, isang dekada o mas matagal pa, hindi naman magbabago ang opinion ko. Wala akong pakialam kung mali man o hindi ang naging desisyon ni Pop. Sa pananaw ko kasi tama pero kahit natalo sila I am not affected. And I am not rejoicing either because the Heat won either.

 

 

 

Now it seems you are a Spurs fan than can't move on from what happened thus you continue to be affected. Well, I'm so sorry for you. Opinions will never be wrong since it is one's POV. It could be "illogical" but for that person it is valid coz that's how he sees it.

 

YOu can criticize Pop all you want but you're doing that with the benefit of hindsight. I guess its time to end this discussion whether or not Pop made the right decision (at the time he made it) without the benefit of hindsight. A simple question should help resolving this...At the time when he decided not to foul, are you sure that the Spurs will lose the game if they use that strategy? If your answer is YES then I rest my case. Otherwise, there is no point to continue this as we both know we won't be able to convince each other.

 

 

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Defensive stats? did I say I would use that? ...I stated earlier how the Spurs scored less against than their reg season ave versus the Heat. Now look at the FG%. Analyze then make your conclusion

 

Did the Heat outperform themselves on the offensive end if you base it on their own FG%?

Did the Heat outperform themselves in limiting the opponent's FG%?

Don't you think playing D is a factor for forcing a lower FG% on your opponent?

Why do you have to beat/outperform yourself? To prove it's your offense that won you the game?

Who invented that reasoning?

 

You said Miami's Defense won it for them. So I was looking at your overwhelming proof that it is the defense. Like I said defense helps but still doesn't mean it was the deciding factor.

 

Game 2 Heat .494 Spurs .410

Game 4 Heat .529 Spurs .443

Game 6 Heat .469 Spurs .435

Game 7 Heat .439 Spurs .378

 

You can see that when the offense is going well. That's when they won. Look at the numbers more closely other than FG.

 

Game 2: We didn't play well. We didn't shoot well. I know I played awfully."

--Tim Duncan

 

Well you wanted to show me a link that says Miami shoots its way to the title and yet hindi ko pwedeng i-highlight yun other points ng link just because it won't help your cause?

How bias and one track minded can you be bro to see things only that favors your argument

It's not the cause. It's keeping on topic. And how can that not same statement be applied to you. :) You're one track mind only keeps looking for the same thing that helps your cause.

 

Wala akong pakialam kung mali man o hindi ang naging desisyon ni Pop. Sa pananaw ko kasi tama

There it is.

 

Now it seems you are a Spurs fan than can't move on from what happened thus you continue to be affected. Well, I'm so sorry for you. Opinions will never be wrong since it is one's POV. It could be "illogical" but for that person it is valid coz that's how he sees it.

I don't need your sorry. I'm not a Spurs fan. Like I said listen to Stephen A Smith. It's the same line of reasoning. How did a 50/50 decision with no right or wrong option now become "illogical"? I guess those other writers/commentators are "illogical" too. Can't wait to hear your discussion with them and proving that they are.

 

YOu can criticize Pop all you want but you're doing that with the benefit of hindsight. I guess its time to end this discussion whether or not Pop made the right decision (at the time he made it) without the benefit of hindsight. A simple question should help resolving this...At the time when he decided not to foul, are you sure that the Spurs will lose the game if they use that strategy? If your answer is YES then I rest my case. Otherwise, there is no point to continue this as we both know we won't be able to convince each other.

Coz you conveniently miss the previous play that just happened. All I'm sure is that Pop gave them that chance to tie and 2 FTs is better than a 3. Everyone knows that Miami was going for a 3. How can something be hindsight when on the spot it was already another option? If Miami missed even an open 3 pt shot, then Spurs win.

 

But I agree it's time to move on. I already "know" your side and you "think" Pop's decisions were right at the time it was made. It's you who cannot see the other side of this discussion. In terms of open mind, I think that's where this discussion ends.

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For the record i did not conveniently miss the "previousl play" .... Its just that at the time of making the decision it has not happened so i would not criticize Pop on that. He didn't have the benefit of hindsight.

Could the play happen. Yes. Is fouling the right call before we saw the play? Yes if what will happen happened but No if it didn't we never will know at the time he was making his decision. In other words either decision will either result to the Spurs winning or not.

If your objective is to foul so that you will not give the Heat the opportunity to tie, then it is illogical to wait for the offensive board to foul if this decision isn't made in hindsight. The first attempt is already a potential game equalizer. A foul should have been given even before the first attempt. Otherwise you also gave them the chance to tie. Illogical but you decided it should be the decision.

 

 

The spurs shoots .480 from the field. They were limited to the lower .400s. That was not D?

The spurs also shot well when the won except in game one. In game 7 the heat fg% is below their ave but they were able to limit the spurs to below .400 that's D

 

 

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