Firearms Regulations

joe1234 · July 24, 2012

Just came from the gun show at SM Megamall yesterday to do some research on what pistol I should get. I already have a licensed 1911 with a PTC, but I want something smaller for more convenient carrying.

I've been trying to find the Philippine laws and PNP regulations on the internet about gun ownership and carrying, but the PNP website is horrible. All I found on Google is Executive Order 194, MC 2010-008, and MC 2011-005. A couple of questions:

1.) I see that the conditions for the Permit to Carry states that:

"For All Other Persons. (including members of the PNP AFP and other LEAs in civilian attire)

a) Display of firearm is prohibited (The firearm must always be concealed)

The firearm must be secured inside a vehicle or a motor cycle compartment.

Does this mean that the firearm should ALWAYS be concealed and should always be in the vehicle? Medyo useless kasi PTC kung sa kotse mo lang pwede gamitin. Or does this mean that when it is in the vehicle, it should be secured inside some sort of compartment?

2.) I read somewhere (a news article) that gun ownership is limited to one handgun and one long firearm. Is this true? I already have a .45 pistol, but I want to get a smaller .40 or 9mm. Pwede pa ba?

THANKS TO ANYONE WHO CAN CLARIFY. Although I hate these regulations that are aimed at responsible people (instead of criminals), I want to follow them anyway.

the assassin · July 24, 2012

for #1: some people can carry firearms using a discreet ankle or leg holster, or using a shoulder holster and wearing clothing over these. if it is inside a motor vehicle, it should be concealed within a compartment. if you'll notice a lot of small-time, petulant belligerents among the police ranks generally like to brandish their guns. heck, when i was still in school, our barbarian of a security guard likes to pump his shotgun in front of students. all the while when they shouldn't be exempted from this rule.

for #2: NUMBER AND TYPES OF FIREARMS THAT MAY BE POSSESSED

Each individual may hold under license a maximum of only one (1) low-powered rifle caliber 22 or shotgun not heavier than 12 gauge and one (1) pistol or revolver, not higher than caliber .38 except caliber .357 and caliber .22 center fire magnum and those which may later be classified by the Chief, Philippine National Police (C, PNP) as high-powered regardless of the type, make or caliber.
Officers and non-commissioned police officers enlisted personnel in the active service and in the retired list of the Philippine National Police (PNP) and Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) may hold under license a maximum of only one (1) low powered rifle caliber .22 or shotgun not heavier than 12 gauge and one (1) sidearm of any type or caliber.
Commissioned Officers in good standing of the Reserve Force of the AFP who are on inactive status may hold under license a maximum of only one (1) low-powered rifle caliber .22 or shotgun not heavier than 12 gauge and one (1) sidearm not heavier than caliber .45, except caliber .357 and caliber .22 center fire magnum and those which may later be classified by the C, PNP as high-powered regardless of the type, make and caliber.

lifted from: http://www.pctc.gov.ph/laws/basicFA.htm

joe1234 · July 25, 2012

for #1: some people can carry firearms using a discreet ankle or leg holster, or using a shoulder holster and wearing clothing over these. if it is inside a motor vehicle, it should be concealed within a compartment. if you'll notice a lot of small-time, petulant belligerents among the police ranks generally like to brandish their guns. heck, when i was still in school, our barbarian of a security guard likes to pump his shotgun in front of students. all the while when they shouldn't be exempted from this rule.

for #2: NUMBER AND TYPES OF FIREARMS THAT MAY BE POSSESSED

Each individual may hold under license a maximum of only one (1) low-powered rifle caliber 22 or shotgun not heavier than 12 gauge and one (1) pistol or revolver, not higher than caliber .38 except caliber .357 and caliber .22 center fire magnum and those which may later be classified by the Chief, Philippine National Police (C, PNP) as high-powered regardless of the type, make or caliber.
Officers and non-commissioned police officers enlisted personnel in the active service and in the retired list of the Philippine National Police (PNP) and Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) may hold under license a maximum of only one (1) low powered rifle caliber .22 or shotgun not heavier than 12 gauge and one (1) sidearm of any type or caliber.
Commissioned Officers in good standing of the Reserve Force of the AFP who are on inactive status may hold under license a maximum of only one (1) low-powered rifle caliber .22 or shotgun not heavier than 12 gauge and one (1) sidearm not heavier than caliber .45, except caliber .357 and caliber .22 center fire magnum and those which may later be classified by the C, PNP as high-powered regardless of the type, make and caliber.
lifted from: http://www.pctc.gov....aws/basicFA.htm

Damn, that sucks. That means I can't even buy a small .40 or 9mm if I already have a 1911? Family heirloom na din kasi yung 1911, gusto ko sa bahay lang siya.

Edited July 25, 2012 by joe1234

khantan · July 25, 2012

Yeah so many restrictions that carrying a firearm is not anymore practical. Add to that is the fact that in an encounter, the law always puts you on the defensive side. Mas ok pa siguru ang stungun.

global tour · July 26, 2012

You can have as many firearms as you'd like as long as they are not "crew serviced" weapons. Erap signed an EO when he was president repealing the law about "one long, one short" firearms only. I myself have 4 pistols of various calibers. All legally possessed and know others with multiple handguns and high powered rifles(5.56mm, 7.62mm) all legal.

global tour · July 26, 2012

It was EO #194

EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 194 EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 194 - AMENDING GENERAL ORDER NO. 7, DATED SEPTEMBER 23, 1972; GENERAL ORDER NO. 7-A, DATED SEPTEMBER 30, 1972; GENERAL ORDER NO. 7-B, DATED JANUARY 17, 1973 AND GENERAL ORDER NO. 7-C, DATED FEBRUARY 21, 1973 WHEREAS, General Order No. 7 provides that only officers and men of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and police officers in the actual performance of their official mission or duty shall be allowed to carry firearms outside of their residence; WHEREAS, General Order No. 7-A provides that agents of the National Bureau of Investigation shall be allowed to carry firearms outside of their residence while in the actual performance of their official mission or duty to include guards of the Bureau of Prisons and of Provincial and City Jails provided that they carry their firearms only within the premises of the prison or jail and/or while escorting prisoners; WHEREAS, General Order No. 7-B provides that officers and enlisted personnel in the active service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines may hold under license a maximum of only one (1) low-powered rifle and one (1) sidearm of any type or caliber; limits the number of firearms to be possessed by each individual and regulates the operations of gun clubs; WHEREAS, General Order No. 7-C provides that the commissioned officers in good standing of the Reserve Force, Armed Forces of the Philippines who are in inactive status may hold under license only one (1) low powered rifle and one (1) sidearm not higher than caliber .45 pistol; WHEREAS, the rising threat to peace and order posed by criminality, insurgency, subversion, and the secessionist movement requires the dedicated efforts not only of law enforcement agencies but private citizens as well;

WHEREAS, the present thrust of the PNP is to combat all kinds of criminality while current government programs need the support and participation of the citizenry to effectively prevent and suppress criminality and to maintain public order and safety in the land; WHEREAS, Section 887 of the Revised Administrative Code, which has not been repealed, provides that any person desiring to possess one or more firearms for personal protection or for use in hunting or other lawful purposes only, and ammunition thereof, shall apply for a license(s) to possess such firearm or firearms and/or ammunition as hereinafter provided. NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH EJERCITO ESTRADA, President of the Republic of the Philippines, by virtue of the powers vested in me by law, do hereby order: Section 1. General Order Nos. 7, 7-A, 7-B and 7-C which authorize certain individuals to possess and carry firearms, limit the number of firearms to be possessed and regulate the operation of gun clubs are hereby repealed. Sec. 2. Henceforth, all citizens of the Philippines may possess firearms of any type and/or caliber; Provided, that such firearms are not classified as crew-served weapons (CSWs), light anti-tank weapons (LAWs), light machine guns (LMGs), anti-tank and anti-personnel recoilless rifles, bazookas, etc.; Provided further, that such firearms are test-fired for ballistics, stenciled and properly licensed. Sec. 3. Only uniformed personnel of the PNP, officers and enlisted personnel of the AFP and agents of the NBI are authorized to carry their licensed firearms outside their residence while in the actual performance of their official mission or duty. All other firearm license holders have to apply for a Permit to Carry Firearms Outside of Residence (PTCFORs) in order to avail of this privilege. Sec. 4. The Philippine National Police shall issue the necessary rules and regulations to implement this order. Sec. 5. All orders, issuances, rules and regulations or parts thereof inconsistent with this Executive Order are hereby repealed or modified accordingly. Sec. 6. This Executive Order shall take effect immediately. Done in the City of Manila, this 24th day of February, in the year of our Lord, Two Thousand.

global tour · July 26, 2012

Well that didnt work. Here:

Section 1. General Order Nos. 7, 7-A, 7-B and 7-C which authorize certain individuals to possess and carry firearms, limit the number of firearms to be possessed and regulate the operation of gun clubs are hereby repealed.

Sec. 2. Henceforth, all citizens of the Philippines may possess firearms of any type and/or caliber; Provided, that such firearms are not classified as crew-served weapons (CSWs), light anti-tank weapons (LAWs), light machine guns (LMGs), anti-tank and anti-personnel recoilless rifles, bazookas, etc.; Provided further, that such firearms are test-fired for ballistics, stenciled and properly licensed.

ryndin · July 26, 2012

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smart-ass · July 27, 2012

You can have as many firearms as you'd like as long as they are not "crew serviced" weapons. Erap signed an EO when he was president repealing the law about "one long, one short" firearms only. I myself have 4 pistols of various calibers. All legally possessed and know others with multiple handguns and high powered rifles(5.56mm, 7.62mm) all legal.

anu po ang ibig sabihin ng crew serviced?? Bakit po yung mga rich and influential may gun collection? vague ang regulations

miggyE · July 29, 2012

anu po ang ibig sabihin ng crew serviced?? Bakit po yung mga rich and influential may gun collection? vague ang regulations

no smart-ass, the regulations are not vague. there is no limit to the number of firearms you can own according to the Erap Bill as long as they are duly licensed! furthermore, a crew-served weapon is a weapon that needs more than two people to operate, i.e. a machine gun, a bazooka, a recoiless rifle, a howitzer........

for the requirements and regulations, please go to the Firearms and Explosives Division's website, not the PNP main webiste....

that's www.fed.org.ph

joe1234 · August 4, 2012

Thanks for the responses

gbp · November 14, 2012

naguguluhan din po kasi ako sa rules on PTC. pwede po paexplain ng mas madali. .like can i carry the gun outside of the vehicle, what if i am using a motorcycle can i carry the gun anywhere? also can it be carried already loaded?

thanks po

Manong Blogger · December 16, 2012

ang apektado lang sa batas na yan yung mga may takot sa batas, yung wala, pwede sila kahit ilang baril sa bahay

Bugatti Veyron · July 6, 2013

I really don't see the logic in putting a limit on the number of firearms an individual pay possess legally. If ever, this law will only encourage individuals who have reached the limit allowed to acquire and possess the guns illegally.

It doesn't make any sense at all.

miggyE · April 20, 2014

I really don't see the logic in putting a limit on the number of firearms an individual pay possess legally. If ever, this law will only encourage individuals who have reached the limit allowed to acquire and possess the guns illegally.

It doesn't make any sense at all.

resurrecting an old thread. first and foremost, the NEW Firearms Law is to take effect this coming July/August, and there is an on-going amnesty at the moment. the new law actually gives you a License to Own a Firearm, not a Firearms Licene per se. this means you need not get a license every time you get a firearm. there are also different categories in the license (like a driver's license), and depending on which category you apply to, there is a limit to the number of firearms you could get. the lowest, category 1, allows you to get 2 firearms (note, no more one long and one short), all the way to category 6, with 15 firearms. the new law also limits all firearms to SEMI-AUTO only. in other words, you could get an AK, but only the semi-auto version.

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