Jongkers Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 *cut*on top of all that, according to early returns, the new Mets ballpark is immensely pitcher friendly---of course, not that he really needs any more help. *cut* Hmm, buti na lang wala akong Mets hitter. Quote Link to comment
gift_of_game Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 from http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/1/5/...fect-update-7-r Here are the pitchers that Tom Verducci listed as being possible victims of the so-called Verducci Effect in 2008 (noted prior to the start of the season): Ian KennedyFausto CarmonaUbaldo JimenezTom GorzelannyDustin McGowanChad GaudinYovani Gallardo Wow – pretty convincing evidence for this theory. Kennedy was awful at the major league level; Carmona was hurt for much of the year and ineffective when healthy; Gorzelanny’s ERA went up nearly three full runs; Gallardo got hurt and missed most of the season (although this is unfair, as his injury was a fluke unrelated to his shoulder or arm). Jimenez defied the Verducci Effect, pitching nearly 200 innings and showing tremendous improvement. Gaudin pitched primarily out of the bullpen and maintained his production. However, five of the seven players that Verducci identified as being particularly risky were either hurt or very ineffective in 2008. and in fairness, McGowan was serviceable. “It's like training for a marathon. You need to build stamina incrementally. The unofficial industry standard is that no young pitcher should throw more than 30 more innings than he did the previous season. It's a general rule of thumb, and one I've been tracking for about a decade. When teams violate the incremental safeguard, it's amazing how often they pay for it.” of course, some players will defy the Verducci effect---some guys just have better arms than others. who knows? Linc might be the exception. Quote Link to comment
kingsville Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 And btw, si Tom Verducci rin ang sumulat ng article about Lincecum sa SI.Wala naman nasabi kung kasama siya sa effect nya. si Fausty.. hanggang sinkerball lang ata kayang gawin.si Kennedy.. the quote above nailed it, Hughes has more potential talaga. Quote Link to comment
gift_of_game Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) And btw, si Tom Verducci rin ang sumulat ng article about Lincecum sa SI.Wala naman nasabi kung kasama siya sa effect nya. well, iba naman kasi yun. Verducci wrote it as a feature story midseason.so naturally, he wouldn't mention any of that. he probably didn't even think the little dude would end up pitching that many innings.he was just trying to sell the guy as the next great pitcher of his generation. that's it. from fangraphs:Tim Lincecum (24), +49.2 IP Giants manager Bruce Bochy did not seem to use much discretion with Lincecum in ‘08, bringing him back into a game after a lengthy rain delay and allowing him to toss at least 110 pitches in 18 of his 33 starts. We’ve all heard the arguments of Lincecum’s “rubber arm” and freakishness, but Tim racked up the highest Pitcher Abuse Points score by a wide margin, and accumulated such a lofty workload for a cellar-dweller. From a cost/benefit standpoint, was it really worth pushing the guy so hard? he's a freak, he may be worth rolling the dice on and beating Verducci with his freaky mechanics and pure stuff. all signs seem to hint at a regression but hey...who really knows for sure? Edited January 20, 2009 by gift_of_game Quote Link to comment
denimhead Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 all that back read and not a deal made? .. consig .. willy t for a 3rd rounder perhaps? Quote Link to comment
Jongkers Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 All I know is most pitchers today -- with all these technology and stat analysis around them -- will be shamed by what Sandy Koufax did from 1963 to 1966. The best left-handed pitcher ever. :thumbsupsmiley: Quote Link to comment
gift_of_game Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 (edited) ^kinda like the Beatles. edit:inabutan mo pala yun atty jong... Edited January 20, 2009 by gift_of_game Quote Link to comment
agentjackbauer Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Ah basta, Filemon Codinera pa rin ako. Quote Link to comment
Jongkers Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 ^kinda like the Beatles. edit:inabutan mo pala yun atty jong... Just finished a Sandy Koufax biography.Amazing man, even more amazing ballplayer.Of course, with all the pain-killers that he was taking then, he'd probably fail today's drug tests. ' love the Beatles comparison! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Except that they came up with excellent albums as well in the late 60's; Sgt Peppers and the White Album come to mind. Quote Link to comment
denimhead Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 back in those daysa closer or a relief pitcher is a starter who cant cut it being a starting pitcher Quote Link to comment
gift_of_game Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 guys didn't have video. that kinda hurts too. I mean, look at the Patriots for instance...hehe Quote Link to comment
bubuy Posted January 20, 2009 Author Share Posted January 20, 2009 mukhang nakaka relate si denim kay jong ah.. Quote Link to comment
gift_of_game Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 something must be brewing...4 anonymous users...hmm... Quote Link to comment
denimhead Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 lol .. nakwento lang naman .. and from what i saw in espn classic Quote Link to comment
CousinBarry Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Barack-a-palooza! woot! Quote Link to comment
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