JOHNMAN Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 sa number of champion smb or petron. sa masa walang duda ginebra Quote Link to comment
lucky me pancit canton Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Swift! Quote Link to comment
*kalel* Posted September 24, 2012 Share Posted September 24, 2012 being a ginebra fan, i will be biased:Â ginebra- 1986ginebra- 1988Â they won championships that year with a not so strong local line up Quote Link to comment
itikbitik Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_San_Miguel_Beermen_season Quote Link to comment
Jasonkidd Posted October 5, 2012 Share Posted October 5, 2012 Purefoods.. slowly but surely hehehe Quote Link to comment
junix Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Three teams and four coaches have achieved the Grand Slam feat: Season Team Coach Defeated finalists Season record  1976 Crispa Redmanizers Baby Dalupan Toyota Toyota Toyota 47-15 (.758) 1983 Crispa Redmanizers Tommy Manotoc Gilbey's Great Taste Great Taste 46-16 (.742) 1989 San Miguel Beermen Norman Black Shell Purefoods Añejo 50-21 (.704) 1996 Alaska Milkmen Tim Cone Purefoods Shell Ginebra 51-21 (.708)  In addition, several others won the first two conferences but were beaten on the last tournament. They are known as "The Pretenders". 1975 Toyota Tamaraws (lost to Crispa in the All-Philippine Championship)1977 Crispa Redmanizers (lost to Toyota in the Invitational Conference)1985 Great Taste Coffee Makers (missed Finals berth in the Reinforced Conference)1986 Tanduay Rhum Masters (missed Finals berth in the Open Conference)1995 Sunkist Orange Juicers (missed Finals berth in the Governors Cup)1998 Alaska Milkmen (missed Finals berth in the Governors Cup)2004 PBA Fiesta Conference to 2004–05 Barangay Ginebra Kings (missed Finals berth in the Fiesta Conference)2010-11 Talk 'N Text Tropang Texters (lost to Petron in the Governors Cup) In other instances, a team won three or even four consecutive conferences in two different seasons. Purists say this is not a true grand slam. These teams were: 1976-1977 Crispa Redmanizers (includes the 1976 All-Philippine Championship which was part of the 1976 Grand Slam)1984-1985 Great Taste Coffee Makers (four straight championships)1995-1996 Alaska Milkmen (four straight championship '95 Governor's Cup and '96 Grand Slam)1997-1998 Alaska Milkmen (three straight championships)2000-2001 San Miguel Beermen (three straight championships) 1975 toyota comets nearly had the first grand slam leading crispa 2-0 in the 3rd conference. dante silverio and his boys had 3 chances to nail the grandslam only to lose 3 straight games to baby dalupan's redmanizers. Quote Link to comment
maximus titicus Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Purefoods.. slowly but surely hehehe  TAMA!!! Miss that commercial... Quote Link to comment
junix Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yes, but in 1986, I believe they won the Open conference with Super Bates and the Mighty Buckett. 1988 was sweeter because they beat a heavily favored Purefoods squad with the Captain, El Presidente, Codinera, and Jolas in that year's All-Filipino conference. yes ginebra had the super duo of bates and hackett plus the big j, gonzalgo, distrito, loyzaga brothers and ampalayo who was then a rookie. if my memory serves me right, bates lost to michael young (?) for the best import award. was patrimonio already part of the purefoods team which lost to ginebra in the 1988 AFC? Quote Link to comment
junix Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Yes, he was. Purefoods had a big and imposing frontline but Ginebra had the bigger heart. I remember Chito shutting down Fernandez in that series. If I'm not mstaken, si Ampalayo ang center ng Ginebra in that series and he is only 6'3, Chito is 6'2 and Gonzalgo is also 6'2. Purefoods had a 6'5, 6'4 and 6'3 frontline. They also had an upcoming superstar in Lastimosa. It puzzled me why Purefoods eventually traded Lastimosa to Alaska. damn...not only an imposing frontline but a strong starting 5 as well. fernandez, codiñera, patrimonio, lastimosa...i think glen capacio was even a part of purefoods then. don't know about the bench...but then anytime you have these guys in one team, it must be a strong team. pero iba ang puso ng ginebra. Quote Link to comment
dfgvan Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Yes, he was. Purefoods had a big and imposing frontline but Ginebra had the bigger heart. I remember Chito shutting down Fernandez in that series. If I'm not mstaken, si Ampalayo ang center ng Ginebra in that series and he is only 6'3, Chito is 6'2 and Gonzalgo is also 6'2. Purefoods had a 6'5, 6'4 and 6'3 frontline. They also had an upcoming superstar in Lastimosa. It puzzled me why Purefoods eventually traded Lastimosa to Alaska.  Yes, Glen Capacio was part of that team. The starting 5 of the Hotdogs that time were the four I mentioned plus Al Solis. They should not have let go of Jolas and Asaytono, who later blossomed with SMB. The Ginebra starting 5 that time were Ampalayo, the two Loyzagas, Gonzalgo and Jawo. ang pg ata ng PF nuon si dindo di ba? si Jolas kaya umalis kasi di sila magkasundo ni dalupan, si sanay si jolas sa free flowing game mas gusto nya may sistemasi asaytonon naman lack of playing time Quote Link to comment
dencio Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Not to take anything away from Ginebra (or Anejo, as they were called then), but Purefoods, in 1988, was a team still in search of its identity. They were composed of great rookies (the aforementioned Cap, Jolas, Codinera and Capacio) and still serviceable veterans (Yango, Solis, Willie Gen, Padim, etc.). Plus Fernandez was a rookie coach. Being so successful in only its first season was already a feather in its cap. Ginebra/Anejo, on the other hand, was a battle-tested veteran team who have already won their share of championships. Lastly, Fernandez was again in the midst of game-fixing allegations and was benched halfway through the finals. He was traded for Guidaben the next conference. Quote Link to comment
dencio Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 ^^ I know. And that's really due to the immense talent that the team possessed. Plus having one of the PBA's best imports in David Thirdkill. But as I've said, the team was still a bit lacking in chemistry and championship poise. Adding spice to the Anejo-Purefoods match-ups was the Jolas-Jawo tussles. You're right that if Purefoods had kept all of their young bucks, they could've established a dynasty. Still, a succesful team can only have one true alpha dog - and Purefoods decided that it's gonna be Patrimonio. Cabahug (from Alaska via the Jolas trade) was a better complement to the inside pair of Alvin and Gerry. Same goes for Asaytono - who was too good just to be Patrimonio's backup. Quote Link to comment
jack_oli Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Ginebra! ginebra! 96 Ginebra ang da best or Gordons GinBal David Vince HizonNoli LocsinMarlou AquinoJayvee GayosoChris King  di ko malilimutan yung laban nila sa Alaska sa finals yung injured pa si Chris king......naka three point shot hehe Quote Link to comment
junix Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 No question about it, Alvin would have still been the franchise player even if Jolas and Asaytono stayed. In my opinion, he is the best PBA power forward of all-tiime. I think Jolas was the better compliment to Jerry and Alvin. Jolas can shoot the lights out from three point country and could slash. I mean if Fernandez stayed and the team was intact with the arrival of Pumaren and Asaytono, I think Purefoods would have lorded it over the PBA. They had the line-up to win 2 grand slams in the early part of the 1990s, in my opinion. Codinera at the 5, Alvin at the 4 and Fernandez at the 3. Then you have Jolas at the 2 and Pumaren at the 1. That's some starting five. 6th man si Asaytono. all-star cast...would've been a dynasty. Quote Link to comment
*kalel* Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 The 1988 Anejo team for me was one of the best all time.... they defeated a well built Purefoods team (Tanduay, if i remember it correctly sold their Team to the Ayalas) that was composed of solid veterans and top of the line rookies... on the other hand, only jaworski was the lone superstar of the team... Â They also won the mini tournament of that season composed of foreign clubs.... 1 Quote Link to comment
Nash35 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 as much as i am a Toyota fan, i must admit Crispa was and still the best team of all time, 2 time Grand Slam winner 1976 and 1983... special mention ulit Alaska and San Miguel both team won a Grand Slam... Quote Link to comment
cxxxavier Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 No question about it, Alvin would have still been the franchise player even if Jolas and Asaytono stayed. In my opinion, he is the best PBA power forward of all-tiime. I think Jolas was the better compliment to Jerry and Alvin. Jolas can shoot the lights out from three point country and could slash. I mean if Fernandez stayed and the team was intact with the arrival of Pumaren and Asaytono, I think Purefoods would have lorded it over the PBA. They had the line-up to win 2 grand slams in the early part of the 1990s, in my opinion. Codinera at the 5, Alvin at the 4 and Fernandez at the 3. Then you have Jolas at the 2 and Pumaren at the 1. That's some starting five. 6th man si Asaytono. Naalala ko ung isang game nila nung finals, lamang sila ng 7 less than 20secs sa kanila ang bola. Tumawag na time-out si DonRamon, ang sabi nya "ingat sa bola lamang tayo, san tayo kakain mamaya?" Quote Link to comment
alex_mag24 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Ginebra syempre Quote Link to comment
Jasonkidd Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Purefoods nung time na un has a complete lineup, pero u cant build a dynasty na puro superstar ang team.. idol ko pa c Jolas nun.. kaso nung nag alaska na sya naging idol ko na c cap.. cap showed a lot of heart and showed why he deserved to be the highest paid player.. Jerry compliments the game of cap, laging abang s jumpshot, defense lang.. tapos c Cabahug gnyan din, bullet namn puro pasa and defense lng.. Quote Link to comment
*kalel* Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 ginebra din of 1991 open conference- from 1-3 down, naging 4-3 vs shell 1 Quote Link to comment
Saint Nemesis Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 ginebra din of 1991 open conference- from 1-3 down, naging 4-3 vs shell + 1 Quote Link to comment
olympian97 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Crispa RedmanizersPurefoods Quote Link to comment
lone ranger one Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Purefoods - Alvin Patrimonio, Jolas, jerry Codinera and Nelson Asaytono Quote Link to comment
direstraits94 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 (edited) 1. San Miguel Beer2. Purefoods ( they loss to anejo during the troika's rookie season) Edited November 20, 2013 by direstraits94 Quote Link to comment
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