Overrated Nba/pba Players

[jjbluenetime23]

Kung ikaw din naman si melo mahirap mag perform kung ang supporting cast mo is di all star caliber. He is still a beast stats wise but your talents can only take you so far in the league. Atleast now he has a bright future with an emerging star in porzingis, a reb and lost post man in rolo, a 3pt specialist in afflalo, and a reliable pass first pg in calderon. Sanay na mag perform si melo kahit nung nasa nuggets pa sya he had a better cast then.

[josephr]

Kobe hands down the most overrated player of all time. Not saying bulok sya, but he's wayyy overrated.

I know a lot will agree on this.

[Guiness]

Wilt Chamberlain, John Salley, George Gervin, Julius Erving, Bill Cartwright among others. What's funny here is three of the people I mentioned were at one time Jordan teammates. I grew up watching Larry from his rookie year up until he retired. He was my very first and only childhood idol. MJ was hyped up by David Stern as the best ever. I already stated my case why MJ is not the best ever. By the way, didn't you just say that you weren't sure if Jordan is the best ever? Then now, you say that MJ is the greatest to ever play the game. Which is which?

 

Bill cartwright is just mad at MJ. Because they had some sort of spat during his time with the team. He wasn't playing to standards. He was being a hater. George Gervin was one of the players who tried to freeze him out during the all star game in MJ's rookie season. He, along with several other players i'm not even gonna mention that are in the hall of fame and nba top 50, felt being shown up by MJ being a rookie sensation and they felt it was necessary to try to sabotage him. Again, another hater. Salley is just a kiss.ass. He was all up on the Bulls when they were beating them with the Pistons. But he didn't say anything, when they were on the same team together. He was out there whooping it up with MJ and celebrating when they were dominating teams during their championship run. The others i can say are "generational" picks. I can probably agree with you that the NBA use MJ as a catalyst and a face of the NBA during the time it wanted to become a global phenomenon.

 

I said i wasn't sure if he was the "greatest to play of all time" because that is debatable. There are a plethora of players i haven't seen play during their time so i can't really know. but i go with what i see and to me i think he is the greatest to play at his position.

[Guiness]

I am not nit-picking. I am stating interesting facts. I believe Pippen was a starter on that Blazer team. He was past his prime but he still could play at a high level.

Sure, MJ lit the Cs for 63 points. However, it was a lost cause. Wasted effort by MJ. Magic Johnson once said "I fear no one but Larry Bird." and "There will never ever be another Larry Bird."

 

High Level? Nope. Looking at his stats. He was averaging 12 pts on 45% shooting. He was supposedly one of the best on ball wing defender with the bulls. But because he was past his prime, he got slow and was having back problems. I also saw him play with the Blazers, he was so slow he can't even guard Kobe in the conference final. He was a shell of himself. That's not high level at all.

 

You can downplay MJ's skill and play but he still lit up your Celtics the supposedly best Celtics team of the 80's. That 85-86 team is regarded as the best Celtics team of Bird's during the 80's Def Rtg: 102.6 (1st of 23). They were ranked 1st in defense in the NBA. and yet MJ dropped 63 on them. In a playoff game, not regular season. Playoffs.

 

I saw the whole game on Youtube. DJ couldn't guard him that's why they sent either Bird or Mchale to double and he still scored. You can't blame him because he had no help. Bird had all the weapons on his team with Mchale, Parish, and DJ. They even had Bill Walton off the bench. Coincidentally i checked the celtics roster and noticed a player that was once a PBA import. David Thirdkill. He was on that team. But back to MJ, if there were 4 other MJ's playing with the same type of talent and energy that MJ was playing, they would've beaten the Celtics. But no, he was playing scrubs. Don't tell me that MJ's teammates were not scrubs, because they were.

 

 

This is all the quote i need. Getting this type of high praise, compliment and respect from one of the greats to ever play says it all. Even going so far as to calling him a God. Straight from your favorite player. He even said to us. Which means, it was one player who took it to a team.

"I didn't think anyone was capable of doing what Michael has done to us," marveled Celtics ace Larry Bird. "He is the most exciting, awesome player in the game today. I think it's just God disguised as Michael Jordan."

Edited November 29, 2015 by hahnz

[nolz]

japet aguilar puro miss ang tira, matangkad lang sya

[bughaw1]

japet aguilar puro miss ang tira, matangkad lang sya

A 6'9 guy that can be defended by a 6"2 guy.....with ease.

[thelibrarian]

Eddy would've liked your comment if you didn't bash Dallas lol hahaha

Haha i didn't bash dallas. In fact gusto ko sila, wala lang talagang PG nung start to make DJ look good, but now with the rejuvinated Williams, it couldve worked. We wouldnt know tho

[*kalel*]

Nick young

[Guiness]

Are you saying that the players I mentioned had a long grudge with MJ and that they can't form their own opinions of him? It seems to me you're an apologist for MJ that former players who had negative opinions of MJ were either mad at him or wanted to sabotage him. I don't blame you if you're enjoying the ride in David Stern's "MJ is the greatest of all time" hype train but discrediting former players' opinions is blind fanaticism. Yes, MJ is an athletic freak and he deserves to be in the NBA's top 50 of all time but being labeled the greatest of all time? I don't think so. That would be a stretch.

 

I'm not saying they can't form their own opinions but their opinions are coming from certain events that created friction between them and MJ. I just go by what i read and make my statements based on that. It's not "blind fanaticism" its facts. Jordan was angry that Oakley was traded away for Bill Cartwright, a veteran player who was suffering from bad injuries to the knees. Medical Bill Cartwright as Jordan often referred to him, often had some disputes because he sometimes was struggling to finish a play when Jordan would pass him the ball. If you were watching NBA basketball in the 80's then you should know the freeze out in the all star game during MJ's rookie career. Some of the all stars on that team felt that MJ was stealing away some of their thunder and made a decision not to pass him the ball. While MJ didn't know anything about it and he was just excited to be part of that event. These are facts mason, i'm not just creating some stories here, i go by what i saw and i saw plenty. You're the one who keeps saying that he's not the greatest of all time and I said i wasn't going to say that but rather he was the greatest player to play in his position. 2 different things. In perspective, I'm not apologizing at all for all these things that happened because if these types of criticisms and slights against MJ didn't happen. It wouldn't have fueled him or motivated him to prove that he belongs amongst the greats and to always strive to play and be the best player each game they play

[Guiness]

I checked the stats of Pippen during the 2000 Western Conference Finals. These were his averages for 7 games:

 

PPG: 15.1 (third on the team behind Sheed and Smitty)

RPG: 9.0 (first on the team)

SPG: 2.6 (first on the team)

 

Based on the numbers, one can deduce that he was still playing at a high level although he was a little bit past his prime.

It doesn't really matter if MJ scored 63 points. He could have averaged 60 ppg in that series. The bottomline is the Bulls got swept in that series.

 

THose stats are not even close to what he was averaging in his prime. Try looking at his stats for the whole season and other playoff series. Not even all star level at all. But its not his fault, he was past his prime so at the most he could give some contribution at the defensive end, and bring some veteran leadership to that Blazers team. But his stats are nothing to sneeze at.

 

I'm not arguing with that. The Bulls lost that series. If I had some Hall of Famers who were in their prime playing on my team. I'd win too. But it doesn't change the fact that the Number 1 Team on defense that year, got dropped 63 by a player in his 2nd year coming off an injured broken foot after missing 64 games in that season.

 

"Jordan's second season was cut short by a broken foot in the third game of the season, which caused him to miss 64 games. Despite Jordan's injury and a 30–52 record (at the time it was fifth worst record of any team to qualify for the playoffs in NBA history),the Bulls made the playoffs. Jordan recovered in time to participate in the playoffs and performed well upon his return. Against a 1985–86 Boston Celtics team that is often considered one of the greatest in NBA history, Jordan set the still-unbroken record for points in a playoff game with 63 in Game 2"

[Guiness]

So Charles Oakley, John Paxson, Dave Corzine and Orlando Woolridge were scrubs. Charles Oakley was the Bulls' best rebounder in that series. Woolridge was averaging 21 ppg in that series. Dave Corzine almost averaged a double double in that series.

 

Just to put things in perspective, Charles Oakley was one of the reasons your Knicks went to the 1994 NBA Finals. If there was no John Paxson, the Bulls would have been hard-pressed to win against the Lakers in the 1991 NBA Finals as Paxson was one of four Bulls who averaged in double digits in that series. Moreover, no Paxson, no 1993 NBA championship. The guys I mentioned are not scrubs. Them being scrubs is your opinion.

 

Orlando Woolridge, Dave Corzine? are you kidding me? Woolridge could score yes, but if i were to compare him to Scottie who could play both ends of the court then Scottie would win out that argument. Dave Corzine, i don't even know why you mentioned this scrub. Horace Grant. That's all i'm gonna say about that. Why didn't you mention the other players on the team? You know why? because they weren't worth mentioning because they were scrubs. I didn't say all the players on the team were scrubs. but they weren't all stars either. If you look at my previous post. I said MJ was playing with a bunch of scrubs. Oakley is not a scrub, but he's no all star either. He is a good role player. An enforcer. But his style of play didn't mesh with the talent on the team. THat's why he was traded to the Knicks who fit more into the kind of rugged, tough team that Pat Riley built with Anthony Mason, Patrick Ewing and X. Paxson was a role player who fit well into a spot up shooter. Pax was no scrub but he was a role player at best.

[Guiness]

Yeah, Larry marveled at MJ but I am sure Larry was more ecstatic in destroying the Bulls than marvel at Jordan.

 

Maybe it was realizing that MJ was for real and to be able to drop 63 against a team that prides itself in limiting or shutting down the opposition from scoring. I guess the Celtics did a bang up job in limiting Jordan to 63. If their defense was really bad, MJ might have gone on to score 100 points on them, but good job to the Celtics for only limiting him to 63.

[josephr]

Kobe Bryant. Very inefficient and shoots his team out of games far too often.

People compare him to mj just bec he stole all of mj's moves. But in terms of production and efficiency, he pales badly in comparison. Kobe never even shot better than 45% in a season in his 20yr career. He is more allen iverson than mj.

[jjbluenetime23]

japeth all dunks no shooting or post moves

[josephr]

Sayang nga tlga height and athleticism ni japeth

Sayang nga tlga ang height and athleticism ni japeth.