grail80 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) uhmm better check MJ's stats on 1991 Finals...32ppg...11ast...7rpg... MJ averaged 31 ppg in that series sir. And my qualifier is MORE THAN 32. Check my post, check your eyes, and recheck your stats. Edited June 15, 2009 by grail80 Quote Link to comment
Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) Hehe that overrated player just became the first player to average more than 32 points and more than 7 assists in a Finals series since Jerry West. A feat even basketball god Michael Jordan did not accomplish. Very overrated. Hmm let me see, let me put that into perspective..Kobe averaged 32ppg with more than 7assists per game, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, what you don't see is that he averaged 27 shots per game and ONLY converting 43% of them, the CLOSEST player in his team as far as Field Goal Attempt is concerned is PAU GASOL who averaged 12 FGA per game a clear 15 shots away! mahigit pa sa doble. Even the MAGIC's FGA leader who happens to be Rashard Lewis only averaged 14 FGA per game.While MJ was able to put up 31ppg 11assts, 7rebs during the 1991 Finals, and he did it by shooting only 22 FGA per game which is 5 shots shy of Kobe's average and MJ's FG% was a phenomenal 56% compared to Kobe's so-so 43% shooting Those stats you mentioned only proved 1 thing, and that is, KOBE the BALL-HOG is way below MJ's caliber. Edited June 15, 2009 by Sl@MDuNk_Mitsui14 Quote Link to comment
Vegasboy32 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Hmm let me see..Kobe averaged 32ppg with more than 7assists per game, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, what you don't see is that he averaged 27 shots per game and ONLY converting 43% of them, the CLOSEST player in his team as far as Field Goal Attempt is concerned is PAU GASOL who averaged 12 FGA per game a clear 15 shots away! mahigit pa sa doble. While MJ was able to put up 31ppg 11assts, 7rebs during the 1991 Finals, and he did it by shooting only 22FGA per game which is 5 shots shy of Kobe's average and MJ's FG% was a phenomenal 56% compared to Kobe's so-so 43% shooting Those stats you mentioned only proved 1 thing, and that is, KOBE the BALL-HOG is way below MJ's caliber. Forget the stats. ball hog na kung ball hog si Kobe. Si Jordan din ball hog din siya di ba. In fact when he was first starting with the bulls he was branded a one man team. Kobe and Jordan's primary function is to score. Kaya ok lang na magtitira sila. If they get double teamed they pass it to an open teammate. Bottom line both have won championships that's what counts. Quote Link to comment
Vegasboy32 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 So I WAS WRONG in saying that he will never win a championship so long as he's the leader of the team, Im cool with that.. but theres one thing that I WILL NEVER EVER CHANGE MY OPINION ON, and that is KOBE BRYANT IS OVERRATED! Congrats by the way to the LAKERS! Hindi lang ikaw ang mali lahat ng anti-kobe sa buong mundo pinrove ni kobe na mali that he can win w/o shaq. If you think Kobe is overrated so be it. At least he's got 4 championship rings. Yung ibang players sa NBA overrated pero ni isang championship wala sila hahaha. I' m referring to LBJ, Amare, Steve Nash, AI. Quote Link to comment
grail80 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Hmm let me see, let me put that into perspective..Kobe averaged 32ppg with more than 7assists per game, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, what you don't see is that he averaged 27 shots per game and ONLY converting 43% of them, the CLOSEST player in his team as far as Field Goal Attempt is concerned is PAU GASOL who averaged 12 FGA per game a clear 15 shots away! mahigit pa sa doble. Even the MAGIC's FGA leader who happens to be Rashard Lewis only averaged 14 FGA per game.While MJ was able to put up 31ppg 11assts, 7rebs during the 1991 Finals, and he did it by shooting only 22 FGA per game which is 5 shots shy of Kobe's average and MJ's FG% was a phenomenal 56% compared to Kobe's so-so 43% shooting Those stats you mentioned only proved 1 thing, and that is, KOBE the BALL-HOG is way below MJ's caliber. Of course, the ballhog also is his team's perennial assist leader. Quote Link to comment
john2004 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) 1) 2000 - LAKERS2) 2001 - LAKERS3) 2002 - LAKERS4) 2003 - spurs5) 2004 - pistons (lakers in finals)6) 2005 - spurs7) 2006 - heat8) 2007 - spurs9) 2008 - celtics (lakers in finals)10) 2009 - LAKERS (Finals MVP - Kobe) Kitang kita ang haba at tagal ng GAP mula 2003 hanggang 2008,paano naging overrated si Kobe hanggang sa mga oras na ito,nagawa pa niyang makuha ang 4th NBA title niya sa Lakersplus yung FINALS MVP (KAHIT MATAGAL YUNG GAP).Siya lang ang meron malaking LAKTAW na naging champion uli.dagdag pa yung sobrang hirap na dinanas niya sa pag attend ng hearing ng FRAME-UP case niya, kahit konti walang effect sa gameniya.6 time NBA FINALIST pala Lakers (Kobe's time) Edited June 15, 2009 by john2004 Quote Link to comment
Flash Sentry Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Hehe that overrated player just became the first player to average more than 32 points and more than 7 assists in a Finals series since Jerry West. A feat even basketball god Michael Jordan did not accomplish. Very overrated. Might be, but MJ is still considered the god in basketball, and Kobe will always be seen as his wannabe. Quote Link to comment
bizzboll Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Might be, but MJ is still considered the god in basketball, and Kobe will always be seen as his wannabe. that wanna be just won his 4th title... he may not be the best player... but he is the best in his generation.... just ask the nba's great coaches and players.... Quote Link to comment
Flash Sentry Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) that wanna be just won his 4th title... he may not be the best player... but he is the best in his generation.... just ask the nba's great coaches and players.... Yeah he just won his 4th title, but he's still an MJ wannabe. Edited June 15, 2009 by Lord Zagato Quote Link to comment
bizzboll Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) Yeah he just won his 4th title, but he's still an MJ wannabe. that's what you think and the other haters I understand... it's hard for y'all to see kobe winning his 4th ring and finals mvp Edited June 15, 2009 by bizzboll Quote Link to comment
Flash Sentry Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 that's what you think and the other haters I understand... it's hard for y'all to see kobe winning his 4th ring and finals mvp Nah, it's not hard for me to see that. He can go on and win his fifth, sixth or whatever, but he's still an MJ wannabe, perhaps slightly better than the other MJ wannabes out there. Quote Link to comment
bizzboll Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 si kobe pinaka overrated na nba player 4x nba champs1 olympic gold medal1 mvp1 finals mvp2x nba scoring champs3x allstar mvp9x nba team9x nba defensvie team11x nba all star overrated nga Quote Link to comment
Flash Sentry Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 si kobe pinaka overrated na nba player I'm not going to go far as to say he is overrated; he's got the skills and he's proven it. People who make it as if he is as great or can even surpass Mike though are way over their heads, and I think that's why some people think he's overrated. Quote Link to comment
tidyaxx Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 that wanna be just won his 4th title... he may not be the best player... but he is the best in his generation.... just ask the nba's great coaches and players.... i dont hate kobe. but i dont like him either. i recognize his skills and am glad he has matured a lot in terms of being a team leader. now that its out of the way, i'll put tim duncan in the discussion if you consider him to belong with kobe's generation. both have 4 titles. duncan won his first title quicker than kobe. duncan has 3 finals mvp compared to kobe's one. duncan beat the pistons that kobe failed to beat. kobe's advantage right now is that he is still on his prime. duncan i think has reached his peak. so kobe will most likely end up getting more titles especially if phil jackson stays with the lakers until kobe's game starts to decline. Quote Link to comment
Vegasboy32 Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Might be, but MJ is still considered the god in basketball, and Kobe will always be seen as his wannabe. Retired na kasi si Jordan kaya siya na considered na God in basketball hahaha. At least kung wannabe man siya he has 4 rings. What if he surpasses MJ's tiltes probably he would still be overrated hahaha. Isa pang overrated si Garnett. One title only after a 13 year career and here he is guaranteeing that the celtics would become repeat champs in 2010 and 2011. Naging manghuhula na ba ito. Kobe was asked if they would repeat next year. He didn't answer that question. He said we'll just see. In my opinion the Lakers can repeat next year or threepeat because they have a coach and a couple of players (kobe and fisher) that have done it in their careers. Quote Link to comment
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