Bible Versus Science

[vheRR]

:hypocritesmiley:

[vheRR]

Everything is like a giant puzzle. Science made progress picking out the pieces and figuring out some of its mechanics. But the the fact remains: Who place that giant puzzle before us?

 

Why think that there is a WHO?

I refuse to believe that nothing comes from nothing! That's absurd!

 

Can science create something out of nothing? Yes, Science can create atomic bomb that can level whole mountain.

 

But can science create life out of nothing?

 

Not yet.

 

Religion and science need not clash. Those who claim that the Bible has all the answers for science have not read the Bible. It is a false claim. You can be a good person practicing a deeply religious life and likewise be the best scientist in your field also. The real source of the conflict isn't religion. It is the way some people disguise their attitude of trying to LORD over people and using religion as an excuse.

 

Jesus never tried to lord it over men. He did the opposite and SERVED men instead. He is Lord because despite all the testing, he remained holy and Faithful to God.

 

Religion & Science need not clash because this is what Theist wants. This is the reason why some Theist tries to justify and prove god thru Science.

 

But for an Atheist, it’s inevitable.

[vheRR]

The real fact is this.

 

Everything we see, hear, feel, or smell is govern by rules. Some of these rules have already been documented by science based on empirical data. We now know that planets on our solar system are orbiting around a sun because of gravitation and inertia. The same forces are being used by atoms which are composed of a central nucleus and a few revolving electrons. Though somewhat controversial, the theory of evolution made by Darwin made a startling revelation that every living things are made through a process of evolution, also made irrefutable by empirical data. The discovery of binary numbers (0s and 1s) that some thought they've discovered the holy grail of all languages, made the backbone of modern advances.

 

The question is: Why these rules? Why can't planet Earth just travel beyond its usual orbit so that we can travel to new universes? Why does birds have different varieties like colors, behaviours, eating patterns, etc? Why can't my Mac talk to my PC without using a common communication protocol like TCP/IP?

 

Science is alive today because of its notoriety for describing these rules. But what if these rules break up? See below for some classic examples.

 

1. Dividing waters of the Red Sea.

2. Lazarus raise from the dead.

3. Lepers being healed without medicine.

4. Walking on top of water.

5. Miraculous ability to speak and/or understand a foreign language (tongue) previously unknown to the speaker.

6. Blind men being cured.

7. Feeding of 5,000 men with just a basket of bread.

8. Sun stopped moving.

9. A great flood that killed everything but a few survivors.

10. Child being conceived without going to the process of impregnation.

 

That is why there are words like Fantasy, Illusory, Imagination, Impossibility, etc.

Chaos comes when rules breakdown. If we are to believe the Creator Theory, one can imagine the beginning of everything: A soup of chaos.

 

Having said this, let's make a consensus that everything is a game which has a finite set of rules. Those who wants to play the game must obey the rules, otherwise, they're out. So let's play.

 

But wait! There's one catch. The game have already been started since the beginning of time! Maybe some of us know the rules but a lot of us doesn't! You might comment,"That isn't fair!".

 

Hey, buddy! Rules are rules! :hypocritesmiley:

 

And the fact is if there's a winner, is not unlikely that there more losers in this game.

 

Are u in or out?

 

And what's the PRIZE for the WINNERS? And for the LOSERS?

[henrythe8th]

Let's just say the Bible didn't give much details on many things, on a lot of things.

Science likes to experiment on details.

[chunkyhunk]

Er, first of all, the bible IS NOT an academic book.

 

Second of all, well, just read the first sentence...

[brownrichard]

Er, first of all, the bible IS NOT an academic book.

Second of all, well, just read the first sentence...

 

Why what does the first sentence say or what is with the first sentence?

[Mobius Stripper]

If you use the Bible in a science class & a science book in religious class, you'll fail both subjects.

[Palakol]

Er, first of all, the bible IS NOT an academic book.

 

Second of all, well, just read the first sentence...

If you use the Bible in a science class & a science book in religious class, you'll fail both subjects.

i don't even know why there is such a thread like this. i mean, VERSUS? what the hell?

[Bad_Wolf]

yes, why does it have to be versus?

 

It's like apples and oranges to me. These biblical scriptures have been around (especially the 1st 5 books) for thousands of years before the modern scientific method was used to study and search for answers. Whether these books were meant to be taken figuratively or literally or these were just a bunch of allegories /stories to teach lessons remains to be seen.

 

I would like to believe that knowledge is in a constant state of evolution. There are no absolutes.

 

Like tayo ngayon, here right now...in the year 2008, we may be correct in saying..."as of year 2008 A.D. we think the events in the Bible are total hogwash based on logic & prevailing scientific studies."

 

500 to 1,000 years from now, who knows what they (the future posters...if may MTC pa siguro by that time heheheh!) will be saying in light of new discoveries, new events, new methods discovered and adopted through the years.

 

para sa akin, all of these are just...katuwaang discussion. pakutaw sa utok as well visayans say. but hey, i love reading the passionate posts here...so keep it coming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

i don't even know why there is such a thread like this. i mean, VERSUS? what the hell?

Edited November 1, 2008 by Bad_Wolf

[henrythe8th]

Do science give all the answers?

Are there no mysteries in science?

 

Then science cannot claim superiority from the Bible.

[stonecoldrock]

Since I have been a good boy, the bible say I'll go to heaven when I die

 

while science says

 

I just turn to bacteria and worm food after I die.

 

Maybe I'll just believe the Bible

[kingarthurII]

religion and science is like oil and water

[kariktan]

sa pagkakaalam ko, mas sinasagot ng agham ang mga tanong na ano (ano ang atom? saan ito nagmuula? paano nabuo ang sanlibutan?) at sa pisikal na daigdig, samantalang ang relihiyon ay ang tanong na bakit (bakit tayo naririto? saan tayo pagkatapos ng lahat? ano ang tamang gawin?) at mga sumasaibayong bagay.

 

kung gayon, hindi dapat tayo tumitingin sa bibliya ukol sa kung paano nabuo ang lupa at kalangitan, kung tunay nga ba ang baha ni noah, etc etc dahil hindi naman ito ang sinusubukan nitong sagutin. bagkus, ipinahahayag nito kung paano, sa kanilang palagay, natin makakamtan ang kaligtasan, o ang pamatntayan sa mga pagpapasyang moral. kaya halimbawa, hindi talaga nais ilahad ng genesis kung paanong nabuo ang mundo, ngunit nais nitong sabihin na sa diyos nagmula ang lahat, at kahit na makasalanan ang tao, mahal nya ito at inaalagaan (kahit na ipinatapon sina adan at eba sa labas ng paraiso, binihisan nya sila halimbawa).

[hellspawn]

 

 

This says it all...

[rockybrawler]

 

 

This says it all...

Good one.

 

 

 

I believe in SCIENCE. :thumbsupsmiley: