New York Knickerbockers

[ray321]

Kristaps was scoreless against Portland

[Guiness]

He's been struggling on this road schedule they are on. Citing "tired legs". He'll bounce back.

[ray321]

He's been struggling on this road schedule they are on. Citing "tired legs". He'll bounce back.

i hope he will, he's one of the most exciting rookies of the 2015 class

[Guiness]

Derek Fisher fired by Knicks in his second season

The New York Knicks have fired coach Derek Fisher after a five-game losing streak left the team 1-9 in its last 10 games.

ESPN's Ramona Shelburne and Ian Begley first reported the firing.

The Knicks are 23-31 this season after going 17-65 in Fisher's first season. New York's current losing skid contributed to the timing of the move, but the team was already convinced Fisher was not transitioning from the role of player to coach effectively, sources told ESPN's Brian Windhorst.

 

Fisher was hired by team president Phil Jackson to rectify the struggling New York franchise. Fisher and Jackson have a history together dating back to when Jackson coached the Lakers, and Fisher was a point guard on the team that won five championships.

 

Fisher, who had no previous head coaching experience, took over for Mike Woodson, who went 109-79 in parts of three seasons in New York. Woodson, however, won only one playoff series. The Knicks currently sit 12th in the Eastern Conference.

 

Assistant Kurt Rambis will now serve as interim coach. Rambis played on four Lakers title teams and was a coach or executive for four others. He coached the Timberwolves to a 56-145 mark from 2009-11.

 

Two other former Jackson players, Brian Shaw and Luke Walton, are candidates to the full-time job, sources told ESPN. Shaw coached parts of two seasons in Denver, while Walton led the defending champion Golden State Warriors to a record start this season, filling in for injured coach Steve Kerr. Sources tell Shelburne, though, that Walton is determined to take his time before accepting a head coaching position. Much like Kerr two summers ago, Walton wants to make sure he's setting himself up for success.

 

The Knicks haven't won a title since the 1972-73 season.

[Guiness]

Porzingis doesn't play like Olajuwon. To me he plays more like a Dirk who's more athletic. Plus, on a short list. Phil will still pick his own guys. Thibodeau is not on his list. He has Shaw and Walton on the short list. Phil is the one calling the shots and they already constructed this team to play under the triangle. You can't just scrap the system and do it all over again because he already surrounded the team with players who can play within this system.

 

If they went and changed the system then they would need to scrap the players as well. THat doesn't make any sense. THey have better talent thant last year, so they can build off this and get a coach who's more experienced like Walton. Fish was thrust in a difficult situation transitioning from a player to coach in less than 2 years. Plus that Matt Barnes situation didn't help him his cause either.

 

Anyway, i like the talent on the team and they might be able to sign another piece this off season as some free agents would be available on the market i hope they get to sign Conley.

[Guiness]

Hahaha! Shaw? What happened to Shaw in Denver? Why would Walton go to a championship team to a team that may not even qualify for the playoffs?

 

Read what I said again. I never said Porzingis plays like Olajuwon. I said Porzingis being the Olajuwon on the offense.

 

Those are Phil's guys they played under him. Walton is not the head coach of that team Steve Kerr is. Its the same as Thibodeau leaving Celtics assistant coaching job so he could become head coach. You didn't think of it that way? sad. for a know it all who knows everything about basketball

 

Porzingis doesn't fit the mold. Even if you put him on the block he's too skinny and would be bounced by Deandre, or Drummond. He was having a hard time with Dwight. Olajuwon is positioned on the block. He was effective because he drew double teams, Porzingis doesn't have that kind of threat yet.

 

Anyway, i think Phil will make a decision based on what he thinks will be successful. Whoever the coach is.

[Jon Don]

I got a feeling Dolan will overpay for Luke Walton to be the next head coach when eligible, per Dr. Phil's orders.

 

Melo ain't getting any younger. Best move yet in years would be to deal Melo (maybe packaged with Afflalo or Calderon also) by the deadline for some draft picks and/or decent scrubs to play with Porz.

On second thought, this is the Knicks we're talking about. Nevermind.

[Mad Damian]

Melo's playing style does not fit the triangle.

Time for a trade

[Ironmaniac]

Trade Melo for the Knicks to improve.

[Guiness]

Steve Kerr was Phil's guy. What happened? Speaking of being a know it all, I am pretty sure I know more than you when it comes to the NBA.

 

Was one of his guys. Was. He decided to sign with the Warriors. So what if he signed with the Warriors, there are other guys that are available. Brian shaw, and Luke Walton were mentioned so who am i to decide who Phil gets, all i know is im sure he will make a decision that would best serve the team and i won't dispute that.

 

Did you just make a joke? ill pretend i got your joke so im gonna laugh har har har. I know you grew up in the 80's that's why you are clinging to the glory of the past of your Celtics, but being older than me doesn't mean that you know more than me. I'm guessing you never even played ball when you were too busy sitting on your couch with a nice fat beer belly haha. I played some ball at Seton hall einstein for your info. so don't make some definitive statements like that. You don't know me. By the way, i had to respond to your "you know more than me" statement so i have to apologize for calling you a a fanboy who never played basketball who just sat in a couch watching basketball.

[Guiness]

Just because he's skinny doesn't mean he would be bounced off by Jordan or Drummond. Do you have clips to prove this? Or is this another baseless speculation just like when you said that Larry Bird could not back up MJ because MJ is too strong for Larry Bird?

 

I watch basketball so i know that he wouldn't be able to body up those guys. THat's why he is currently doing some work to get some weight in the training room. I read their reports and there are clips on youtube. Its not a baseless speculation. If you have a guy like drummond who weighs 280 or dwight who weighs 265 way heavier and bulkier than porzingis who only weighs 240. Then he's at a disadvantage. He gets beat by these guys down low. THat's why Porzingis said he needs to get at least to 260 in order to match up against the heftier guys in the league. THis ain't speculation. geez, i wouldn't say it if i didn't read or watch it. Don't ever question me when it comes the posting stuff because i read.

 

 

Larry bird weighed 220 when he played and MJ was listed at 216 not that big of a difference. That's what i base it on not speculation.

 

Anyway this is a knicks thread stop diverting everyone's attention just so you can segue Larry Bird into this. He's retired he's done. We're not talking about him. You sound like some obsesses stalker fan guy im not calling you a fan boy coz clearly you ain't a boy anymore, old definitely. LOL

 

You will answer back because and i know you will. But I'm done going at some die hard old fan like you. No need for me to waste my time explaining stuff to some dude who just posts "what if" scenarios. One definitive statement ill make is this, its good that you're not running the Celtics organization with what you've been posting. You would have run them to the ground. haha marinate on that statement you old dog haha

Edited February 9, 2016 by hahnz

[Guiness]

Could next Knicks coach be Tom Thibodeau? Luke Walton? Patrick Ewing? A look at potential candidates

BY Stefan Bondy, Bernie Augustine

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Updated: Tuesday, February 9, 2016, 7:28 AM

 

Now that Derek Fisher has been shown the door at Madison Square Garden, the time for speculation on who will take over the always-hot seat at the end of the Knicks bench has begun.

 

TOM THIBODEAU

The 58-year-old is the best available coach by a mile. He squeezed more out of the Bulls than anybody else in the post-Jordan era, developing Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah into stars while going 255-139 in five seasons. He served as an assistant in New York and Boston during the most successful times those franchises had in the last 20 years.

His involvement with USA Basketball also establishes the all-important link to Kevin Durant.

Thibodeau is part of the Jeff Van Gundy coaching tree, which has often worked in direct competition with Jackson and, for some reason, hasn’t endeared itself to James Dolan. Let’s just say Jackson’s interest was lukewarm, at best, when asked specifically about reaching out to Thibodeau.

 

KURT RAMBIS

He’s getting an audition now and has been at Phil Jackson’s side for years. He hasn’t shown himself to be a winner as a head coach — 56-145 — but he also hasn’t exactly been blessed with talent (though he did go 24-13 leading the Lakers as a bridge coach between Del Harris and Phil Jackson).

 

He also checks the necessary boxes from the Zen Master, who portrayed Rambis as the anti-Derek Fisher for having a relaxed personality. Rambis’ connection to Jackson extends to their respective significant others, Jeanie Buss and Linda Rambis are close.

 

LUKE WALTON

While technically 0-0 as a head coach, he was at the helm when the Warriors got off to a 39-4 start while Steve Kerr was sidelined with back problems. Jackson loved Walton as a player in his system with the Lakers — a gifted passing forward who could move the ball in the triangle offense — winning two titles in Los Angeles, so he understands the offense Phil wants to run, which is nothing like what the Warriors are doing as they run roughshod over the NBA.

 

PATRICK EWING

The Knicks have never shown an inclination to bring Ewing aboard — save for a token offer to coach their D-League team in 2012 — as they’ve changed coaches 10 times since he retired in 2002.

 

It’s not like he lacks experience, either. Ewing has built up a resume as an assistant coach and is currently working for Michael Jordan’s Hornets in Charlotte.

He expressed interest in the Knicks job when it was open in 2014 — “I’d love to bo back to New York,” he said then — and lamented what he percieved as a big man bias as Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd, Steve Kerr and Fisher, all guards, all made the jump from playing straight into coaching.

 

BRIAN SHAW

He worked and played under Jackson and owns a strong grasp of the triangle, so he delivers on a level of familiarity with the boss. Shaw had a rough stint in his one go-around as head coach with the Nuggets recently, lasting less than two seasons with a 56-85 record.

Shaw was a flop in Denver (56-85 in parts of two seasons), and his big idea as head coach was to cancel morning shootarounds because NBA players don’t like to wake up early for them, a plan he stuck with even after his point guard, Ty Lawson, was busted for drunk driving.

But previous to that disappointment Shaw was lauded for his work as an assistant with the Pacers and Lakers, becoming a favorite among players like Kobe Bryant and David West.

 

DAVID BLATT

He was fired while the Cavs were 30-11 in what looks from the outside as a LeBron James-led uprising. That’s a bad look for Blatt, since Carmelo Anthony and James are tight and star players certainly have input, if not influence, on coaching maneuvers.

Blatt came up in the Princeton offense — playing with Knicks GM Steve Mills at the Ivy League school in the 1970s — which the triangle is an offshoot of, but the principles aren’t exactly interchangeable (Ask Mike Brown how the triangle-to-Princeton switch worked with the Lakers in 2012).

Maybe Mills can put in a good word for his old teammate.

 

SCOTT BROOKS

The former Thunder coach is widely credited for his work with young players, as his supporters point to the development of Durant (a check in his favor), Russell Westbrook and James Harden under him after OKC fired P.J. Carlesimo and promoted Brooks. Serge Ibaka and Steven Adams also made strides under the former Knicks backup guard. With Kristaps Porzingis the centerpiece of the Knicks' future, Brooks' track record with youngsters is another mark in his favor.

But his critics will say that while he had a hand in developing those All-Star players, he didn't grow as a coach. The Thunder's offense lacked innovation and one trip to the NBA Finals in parts of seven seasons, with the talent he had available, is seen as a shortcoming

 

VINNY DEL NEGRO

Certainly not a “wow” candidate, but he’s 26 games over .500 as a head coach (210-184) with the Bulls and Clippers and guys with a record like that generally get a second shot.

He never played for Jackson or in a triangle system, so those are marks against him, and if Anthony asks Chris Paul about him, it’s probably not good for Vinny. They clashed in L.A. and Del Negro has come thisclose to saying that Paul got him fired after a 56-win season.

 

MARK JACKSON

He has ties to New York as a Brooklynite and former Knicks point guard in the 80s, but his last coaching stint didn’t end well in Golden State amid riffs with assistants and ownership — most of it centered on Jackson’s inflexibility. The Warriors’ unprecedented success after Jackson’s departure doesn’t reflect well on him either. Jackson’s been working as an ESPN analyst for the last two seasons.

 

ISIAH THOMAS

The owner loves him.

 

 

- i laughed at the isiah statement

Edited February 9, 2016 by hahnz

[Guiness]

So why didn't Kerr sign with the Knicks?

 

You want the real skinny? Money. Steve was offerred less initially before the Warriors came into the picture with a better deal. THe Knicks initially had the offer for a week until the Warriors came in.

[Guiness]

No, I am not making a joke. I am stating an observation and based on our arguments, I know of basketball more than you. I will give you an example of an ignorant statement you made: Larry Bird can't back up MJ because MJ is strong. Statements like these prove you don't know what you're talking about. I don't give a rat's ass if you played for Duke or UNC. What I know is you are an ignorant poster trying to prove that he knows his basketball. You're getting pwned in our arguments, The more you post, the more you are embarrassing yourself.

 

 

You can't even counter the weight difference i mentioned. ohhh kayyy. Mr couch potato, keep sitting and make your so called what if statements in front of the Tv while eating your pork rind chips lol.

[Mad Damian]

Steve is very lucky he didnt take the knicks job