Pc Or Console?

[BlackWizard]

Sapul!!!

[alex_lowe]

PC ako kasi you have the options for your upgrades..

console do have their own upgrades pero d katulad ng PC..

 

what i mean is the graphics...

[joeglens]

after all the things that i have said you still haven't get my idea that the consoles are evolving faster than PC base on computational power

 

i didn't say 64-bit processors doesn't exist as i stated earlier they are commonly used in server grade platforms and are now working its way to mainstream market.

 

AMD64 was release 2003, Intels own version EM64T was released 2004 but Playstation 2 was release to public in March 1999 in japan. Sega Dreamcast was release 15 months before PS2. Heck, even Nintendo64 was release June 1996 in Japan. (I will say Atari's jaguar would be the first 64-bit console but its different since it uses 2 32-bit processors but uses 64-bit graphic processor)

 

During those time consoles already entered the 64-bit computing era for consumers while during the release of AMD64 which is 2003, 7 or so years late, its still most commonly used in server grade platforms. I have to omit Supercomputers here since they don't belong to the cosumer market

 

And now with the release of Xbox360, consoles are now entering the 128-bit era of computing for consumers.

 

Yeah you might complain, WTF is this all they can deliver for next gen. I dont blame you since 7th gen just started. Developers had hard time coping with new technologies, if you scan the internet regarding PS3 you see some developers complaining developing games for the PS3 would be tough as hell. That's why i didnt'y buy YET an xbox360. once the technology matures (I estimate maybe within the next year or so, just like PS2) i'll buy it. Same goes for PS3, ill wait until technology in PS3 matures before buying it. Although Wii is a different story since im planning on pre-ordering it ever since watching how it performs during E3, and there is some months to polish their technology before its release, im excited not because of graphics but because of the controller.

 

so bottom line again Console evolved much faster the PC. But im not saying this will last forever. Sooner or later PC will probably outrun consoles in the computational power race for consumer market.

[azrach187]

after all the things that i have said you still haven't get my idea that the consoles are evolving faster than PC base on computational power

 

i didn't say 64-bit processors doesn't exist as i stated earlier they are commonly used in server grade platforms and are now working its way to mainstream market.

 

AMD64 was release 2003, Intels own version EM64T was released 2004 but Playstation 2 was release to public in March 1999 in japan. Sega Dreamcast was release 15 months before PS2. Heck, even Nintendo64 was release June 1996 in Japan. (I will say Atari's jaguar would be the first 64-bit console but its different since it uses 2 32-bit processors but uses 64-bit graphic processor)

 

During those time consoles already entered the 64-bit computing era for consumers while during the release of AMD64  which is 2003, 7 or so years late, its still most commonly used in server grade platforms. I have to omit Supercomputers here since they don't belong to the cosumer market

 

And now with the release of Xbox360, consoles are now entering the 128-bit era of computing for consumers.

 

Yeah you might complain, WTF is this all they can deliver for next gen. I dont blame you since 7th gen just started. Developers had hard time coping with new technologies, if you scan the internet regarding PS3 you see some developers complaining developing games for the PS3 would be tough as hell. That's why i didnt'y buy YET an xbox360. once the technology matures (I estimate maybe within the next year or so, just like PS2) i'll buy it. Same goes for PS3, ill wait until technology in PS3 matures before buying it. Although Wii is a different story since im planning on pre-ordering it ever since watching how it performs during E3, and there is some months to polish their technology before its release, im excited not because of graphics but because of the controller.

 

so bottom line again Console evolved much faster the PC. But im not saying this will last forever. Sooner or later PC will probably outrun consoles in the computational power race for consumer market.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dude. I'm beggining to question your technical knowledge. I was about to take you seriously. You are talking GPU. Graphics Processing Unit not CPU.

 

Well, here's a wake-up call. PCs have CPUs and GPUs. CPU is the main processor. GPUs resides in the video card (please visit the video card so you at least know what I mean) in a computer running SEPARATELY from the cpu. Consoles on the other hand have one that runs both the graphics and the game itself.

 

You are confusing yourself. Don't forget Commodore 64... the first 64-bit computer... in 1982! You need to research deeper on the number "64". I won't even try to explain the technical difference between a Nintendo 64 and AMD 64 because I already know you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Dude, as PC gamers are talking 128memory video cards, as you're talking 64. As PC gamers (now) talks 2 video cards (SLI) which have 512 memory which basically runs a Gig, not a single console game could touch, even the infamous PS3. How about a Quad SLI? Oh wait. Thats 4 video cards! That could be... let me see... 2 Gigs of processing power! Uhm... where is the Xbox 360 at? at 128!?!

 

Oh, I forgot to mention the PC CPU currently runs at the average speed of... 3.4Ghz, minus GPU. Xbox 360 is at 3.2Ghz... but wait, that's it!

 

But this is the funnist part. The games you play in consoles are developed in PCs.

 

Dude. Theres an addage among gaming community: "PCs you built is absolete in three months." I wonder how console catches up? It would pay for you to know that consoles, especially the ones you glorify now, are made by hardware manufacturers of PCs, such as nVidia, ATI, Intel and AMD. We breathe this everyday. The parts they build a console from might be cutting edge as it comes out. But before it hits the shelves, PC deems those parts fast becoming absolete. Yes. The video card inside Xbox 360 is already absolete to PC gamers.

 

You really think hardware develops before software? Then I know you're not a gamer. Games in PC requires so much resources that few could actually enjoy the true potential of the game, until later. You don't believe me? Visit the video card thread. Some PC owners are now enjoying games made three years ago, since the prices of hardware is much lower.

 

Which company is dumb enough to build a hardware no software could process? For the future? Right. Video card companies issues cards to the consumers as soon as a new technology is develop so software developers could soon capitalize.

 

I know you scans the net for answers. Most of mine are, fortunately, experience. Did you ever actually play any recently released PC games? I'd be totally piss if you EVEN compare any games close to the benchmark of any PC games, currently.

 

I could tell you this much my Xbox 360, although I recieved as a gift, now sits in the corner after the hype died down. Is the graphics and processing unit as good as any PC? Yes. LIke a PC I built three years ago! While it struggles to keep all the polygons as FPS (frame for decond) plummets to 10fps, the same game I play in PC, cruises at 140-160 fps.

 

The funny part is that I am a gamer, PC and consoles. Yes I enjoy both, since some games are fun in consoles and absent in PCs. Yes, more than likely, I'll purchase a Wii and PS3 as it comes out. Like the Xbox 360, I will be the first to point out the flaws.

 

And yes, I measure each console and PC seperately but equal. I am defensive at times because I measure each console and PC at the bottom line: the games. It doesn't matter if a console is twenty times faster than my PC, if the game plays crappy, then it isn't worth very much now is it? Just a hint, at times I'm not in the internetnet, I'm playing Monopoly in NES (Famicom) with a freind.

[joeglens]

hahahahaha commodore64 a 64-bit computer. Dude do you know the real reason it was called commodore64. it was called that way since it has 64KB of RAM, dude that thing has 8-bit 6510 microprocessor.

 

And im talking about datawidth on the CPU

 

Let me tell you this, computational power is base on the databus multiplied by the instruction cycle speed of the CPU, No matter how big your memory or how fast your processor is the speed will be limited by the datasize in needs to travel in the motherboard. Its like a highway, you can fit more cars on an 8 lanes highway than in 4 lanes. We're talking the volume of data that comes from the processor to the neccessary outputs

 

ok Athlon 64 at 3.2Ghz 64-bit, Xbox360 3.2 Ghz but 128-bit . Data throughput is twice as much and GPU is not yet included in the calculation of overall system performace. every cycle, xbox360 delivers twice the amount of processed data than Athlon64

 

I know how they develop games for console. They use Dual processors server grade platforms that isn't available at your local computer shop. We are talking about PERSONAL COMPUTERS after all isn't it. Why drag into the topic about supercomputers and Mainframe computers if they are not use for personal computing.

 

you said it yourself PC you made today obsoletes in 3 months. But console doesn't since its already in top form tuned for maximum performace. Its the developers that need much training to make the best out of it.

 

I cant argue with you that it all boils down to games, i very much agree with you. We have a saying that Fancy hardware doesn't sell game machines. It takes great games to sell fancy hardware. And right now my Great Games preference are all in the console market. And that's why I prefer consoles.

 

I scan the internet for proof. And i do base my commecnts on experience i just use the net to back-up my claims. I am a hardware developer after all, so i know my stuff.

 

And all i can tell you about your Xbox360 is that its part of the batch of 360s that was rushed for production and reeks of unpolished technology since MS want to lead the 7th gen console race

[kenji_1989]

Depende talaga siguro sa preferences ng isang player kung console or PC siya e. Well, para sa akin, di ko masasabi na magastos ang PC dahil upgrade ka every middle of the year. Yes, may tendency na mas mahal talaga ang PC kumpara sa console. Pero ang tanong e gaano tatagal? Halimbawa, parating na ang PlayStation 3. Siguro malalaro parin niya yung mga PlayStation2 and PlayStation1 na games. Pero siyempre, may mga uusbong na games na pang PS3 talaga diba? Para sakin parang sayang naman yung mga naunang games. E kung sa PC, oo nga magastos sa upgrades pero guaranteed ka na sa bawat upgrade mo, future looking ang PC and ready to eat whatever hell spit onto it. Of course, malalaro mo parin ang mga naunang games. Astig diba? You can play both the past, present, and the future Opinion ko lang pow hehe..

 

Add up pa..masarap sa console yung mga versus na laro that's the thing siguro na gusto ko sa consoles at isa pa ay mga RPG's. Pag sa PC maganda laruin mga FPS, strategy and other games na masarap laruin with keyboard and mouse..

 

For me to rate out of 10

 

console - 9 1/2

PC - 10

 

 

O diba ISLAYT lang difference

[mrxtacy2003]

hehehe with all this argument about technicalities... c'mon guys you don't need to drop all those hardware talk.

 

Its simple. Consoles were developed for gaming, PC was more for all around use today including games. So what does this mean? it means kahit na crappy yung mga games sa console, at least the hardware was specifically designed to handle games that's it whether its a high poly game or not.

 

PC's were designed initially for business consumption and later re-invented for homes. Its an all around machine now, although its true that games are developed in PC's you should at least tweak it a bit more rather than just putting all those hardwares and run it in its default configuration.

 

So, ano pa argument? kung may games for the console, im sure it will run better and mas enhanced ang gaming experience for the mere fact it was designed for games.

 

Kung meron para sa PC, so much the better, less expense on our side since we do not need an extra machine for our leisure.

[joeglens]

Yup its all in the thrill and gaming experience. There was no argument in the first place. I was just explaning the facts and stuff why i find more thrill in console than in PC, at this moment. But some guy out there thought it was all trash talk and began cross-examining my statements. Its like im in a witness stand , although some of it might be my fault since fed the fire more wood

 

That's why i bought a DS instead of a PSP since i like the gaming experience delivered by DS. Although in the future i might bought a PSP just for the sake of playing a GREAT GAME exclusive for it.

 

So I spend more time in console than in PC as i stated in my first post doesn't mean i don't play PC right?

[azrach187]

Well, sometimes you just have to show people the light. The best to show the way are those that travels back in forth and could claim to be denizen of both worlds.

 

This thread hopefully would span the gap, instead of creating one, the space between console and PCs. I have known the existence of both worlds, and could not deny either the pros and cons of both.

 

Maybe, it will show what people have been missing or denying all this time. I am well aware of the bias that results from a purchase, and why one would defend the color red, as oppose to black, in a difference of a mere five cents.

[crazykalbo]

PC games are cool kaso nakakairita naman magupgrade ng magupgrade ng parts/specs ng pc just for the hassel of being able to play a new cool game no.

 

I prefer console gaming pa rin since I just play for the sake of wasting time/when im not doing anything.

[in_vitro]

i used to do heavy PC-gaming, since way back NBA LIVE 98...

however, im a recent console-convert. nothing beats the feeling of a multitapped NBA Live experience with friends.

[azrach187]

i used to do heavy PC-gaming, since way back NBA LIVE 98...

however, im a recent console-convert. nothing beats the feeling of a multitapped NBA Live experience with friends. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yup. That it is! Sports games is one of the reasons why I liked playing in consoles, especially with a bunch of friends. One screen, up to four players and a lot of "smack-talking"!

[Phrozhen.Khold]

Thats why I hate talking about tech stuff... there's always somebody who'd grill you the moment you mentioned something about them... I don't mean to put some more gas to the flame but lets face it... If it wasnt for those geeks who decided to make the PC an all around machine to be used by 'normal' people... then this thread would be for which console could give you the best gaming experience <_<

[azrach187]

Thats why I hate talking about tech stuff... there's always somebody who'd grill you the moment you mentioned something about them... I don't mean to put some more gas to the flame but lets face it... If it wasnt for those geeks who decided to make the PC an all around machine to be used by 'normal' people... then this thread would be for which console could give you the best gaming experience 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agreed. Some are hung up on some kind of loyalty instead of focusing the strength or weakness of a particular game, or console.

 

Some, well, is just an adventure to add color to their life.

 

I started this thread to gap the difference, letting both side take a glimpse of the other side.

 

I would be adding some game reviews, on both the PC and consoles (Xbox 360) on another thread.

Edited May 26, 2006 by azrach187

[Kurtsky Keigee]

Console is more convenient for me.

Anyways most PC games get ported to consoles in a matter of time, its just a frame rate difference.