What Fuel Do You Use For Your Vehicle?

[mackyboy]

How about motorbikes? are they E10 compliant?

[X3ME15]

E-10 mix is just gonna destroy your engine.. regardless of the savings, the overall cost of repairs is just ridiculous..

 

for me, i just use XCS or Velocity w/o the ethanol mix just to be safe

[Chickquero]

E-10 mix is just gonna destroy your engine.. regardless of the savings, the overall cost of repairs is just ridiculous..

 

for me, i just use XCS or Velocity w/o the ethanol mix just to be safe

...eh where will you get non ethanol base gasoline product when this will be will be phase out next year?

[X3ME15]

...eh where will you get non ethanol base gasoline product when this will be will be phase out next year?

 

can you show me a mandate of phasing out of non-ethanol based gasoline next year?

 

as you can see, there are still lots of gasoline stations w/o the E-10 mix.. even if its imposed, there still will be gas stations w/ non-ethanol based so i'm not all over ga-ga over that..

 

i'm more concerned on my engine bec. some engines are not meant to be used w/ ethanol mixtures and i'll not force myself to convert to ethanol unless the manufacturers says the engine (especially he pre-2000 models) is compliant w/ ethanol mix gasolines

[phidze]

E-10 (10% ethanol) will not destroy,damage any parts of your cars, motorcycles. It was carefully studied before it was implemented. As per latest analysis data, 65% gasoline feed cars in metro are now using E-10and it's market share is getting bigger every day, if E-10 will cost trouble, eh di dapat kalahati nang koste sa metro sira na and Look further, most of our neighboring countries are already using 20% ethanol blend and yet some part of Europe are using 35% to 50%.

 

It's our contribution to fight global warming.

[X3ME15]

E-10 (10% ethanol) will not destroy,damage any parts of your cars, motorcycles. It was carefully studied before it was implemented. As per latest analysis data, 65% gasoline feed cars in metro are now using E-10and it's market share is getting bigger every day, if E-10 will cost trouble, eh di dapat kalahati nang koste sa metro sira na and Look further, most of our neighboring countries are already using 20% ethanol blend and yet some part of Europe are using 35% to 50%.

 

It's our contribution to fight global warming.

 

are you sure you know what you're talking about?

 

those figures is still not enough to convince everyone to use ethanol as far as i'm concerned, and still there is no proof that it won't damage or even wreck your engine (like i said, the older engine models 2000 and below) when used in prolonged periods..

 

the study you're referring, how long they did test the engine using an ethanol mix? 2 months? 6months? 1yr? the span of the test is still not enough

 

and if you gonna check the net, there are alot of reports on problems using E-10 like this in wikipedia under fuel system problems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel#...system_problems

 

 

Several of the outstanding ethanol fuel issues are linked specifically to fuel systems. Fuels with more than 10% ethanol are not compatible with non E85-ready fuel system components and may cause corrosion of iron components.[189][190] Ethanol fuel can negatively affect electric fuel pumps by increasing internal wear,[190] cause undesirable spark generation,[191] and is not compatible with capacitance fuel level gauging indicators and may cause erroneous fuel quantity indications in vehicles that employ that system.[192] It is also not always compatible with marine craft, especially those that use fiberglass fuel tanks.[193][194] Ethanol is also not used in aircraft for these same reasons.

 

Using 100% ethanol fuel decreases fuel-economy by 15-30% over using 100% gasoline; this can be avoided using certain modifications that would, however, render the engine inoperable on regular petrol without the addition of an adjustable ECU.[195] Tough materials are needed to accommodate a higher compression ratio to make an ethanol engine as efficient as it would be on petrol; these would be similar to those used in diesel engines which typically run at a CR of 20:1,[196] vs. about 8-12:1 for petrol engines.[197]

 

In April 2008 the German environmental minister cancelled a proposed 10% ethanol fuel scheme citing technical problems: too many older cars in Germany are unequipped to handle this fuel. Ethanol levels in fuel will remain at 5%.[198]

 

so i think it just proves that its idealistic and also good for the environment but not practical in reality.. and to people that's saying that E-10 is good then by all means use them, but ofcourse the facts are there in your face that still pose some concerns for the motoring public.

 

i'm not gonna gamble my investments just to save a measly amount of money.. just my view on this matter

 

 

more issues on using E-10:

http://www.timesanddemocrat.com/articles/2...on/13463991.txt

http://www.energy-consumers-edge.com/probl...hanol-fuel.html

http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20090627/ESN/906270303

http://www.ewg.org/biofuels/report/Ethanol...d-Engine-Damage

Edited July 23, 2009 by X3ME15

[phidze]

I'm not forcing or convincing anybody regarding E-10. peace. How sure I'm on those figures and data? and what I'm talking about? I will not post something here that will do harm to others, I'm not a bad guy

 

Personally, I'm one of the product analyst of the Big 3 here in the Philippines. So probably alam ko yun sinasabi ko. We been studying and testing E-10 way back 3 years ago and taking Thailand as model. For the past 6 months the sales volume of E-10 in metro increase by almost 30% (in our brand lang yun ha).

 

For the mandate, better ask the government agencies, particular DOE and DENR for verification. Kasama yan sa Clean Air Act. In truth, the implementation of E-10 is way behind schedule. The implementation will not be swift, but slow and smooth.

 

Lastly, tear and wear of an engine is compulsory, What ever fuel you are using, diesel, bio diesel, ethanol or non ethanol. It's really depends on driving habit and proper maintenance.

 

I'm not an advocate of E-10, What I do is separate myth's from fact's. It's still up to the motorist kung saan sila masaya.haha

[X3ME15]

i'll take your word for it considering you're already representing one of the big 3 companies by assuring us that E-10 is "safe" to use

 

for being a technical supervisor in one of the known car shops here in manila that do custom engine and suspension works, i can't help but to be skeptical considering we're dealing with engine models that's somewhat not meant for gasoline mixtures rated on higher compression ratios (even the metal fatigue and tolerance must be considered) , plus EFI and also carburetor type engines needs to be re-calibrated to accommodate proper combustion bec. of the change (or mixtures) in the fuel (especially the E-10 and up mixtures) based on what i've learned.. there are lots of processes that still needs to be done for it to be compatible with the old-but-proven pertrol engines in which the majority of the car owner has in the philippines.

 

i'm just voicing out my concerns as part of the motoring public and also being a part of the automotive industry, it's just right to contest and scrutinize any new product that are used with our investments (our automobiles). so if my posts somewhat offended you, don't be. i'm just stressing the facts that i know from knowledge and experience in this business.

 

it's healthy to have a friendly argument once in a while

[bengbangerz]

ang tanong ko lang why would the manufacturers not recomend e10 sa lahat ng cars nila..for example sa ford, yung focus at explorer at ang pwede pero yung ibang variants hindi.

 

some say na masama ang ethanol sa engine in the long run...acidic daw kse and will corrode yung mga aluminum alloy parts ng engine naten...like the piston and the piston rings.

 

kung gusto nyo ng unleaded na walang e10, mag XCS kayo. sa shell ata all variants may ethanol.

 

kawawa lang mga old schoolers, kse di iniisip ng govt yun nung pinasa ang batas...madami ang kumikita dyan sa ethanol business na yan..mostly mga may kapit sa govt kse may pondo yan kung magtatanim ka nung plant na pagkukunan ng ethanol.

 

imbis na pagkain ang ipatanim sa mga lupa para di nagugutom ang tao, ethanol na lang daw.

[mackyboy]

Here's what i found.

 

E10 Fits Which Car Models?

[bengbangerz]

ok lang na na introduce ang e10, ang problema parang sapilitan kse wala ka ng ibang option sa unleaded variant.

napansin ata nila na walang pumapansin sa e10 sa mga gasolinahan. kung wala naman talaga problema ang e10 sa makina...eh di sana pati mga manufacturers irerecomend nila ang paggamit nito. ang problema, pati sila ayaw nila ipagamit sa mga sasakyan na hindi ethanol capable.

 

aandar yung sasakyan, pero nasisira naman.

parang pagyoyosi, sa ngayon di mo pa ramadam yung ginagawa nya sa katawan, in the end may sinisira palang laman.

[S14]

i agree i would rather spend the extra cost of fuel rather than risk damaging my engine whopuld should still servre for years to come. not evryone here can afford new cars that can run on ethanol so govt should also think about it. if they wanna clean up our environment huliin mua nila ang mga jeeps and buses who has plenty of smoke belching

[X3ME15]

E-10 is a no go for the majority on my standpoint regardless its included in the clean air act.. too many complications on the regulation and the opinion of the masses do count considering they're the one that gonna use it.. regardless of sales, it can't be a base point of how it works in your engine anyway so it's no bearing for the performance of the product whatsoever

 

just my 2 cents on the matter

Edited July 24, 2009 by X3ME15

[phidze]

It's seems I'm a lone crusader dito. haha

 

Sir X3ME15,

Clarification lang po, I'm not representing the Big 3 (di pa po ako ganun ka bigtime) :hypocritesmiley: , I'm just an ordinary guy working as product analyst in one of the Big 3, I cannot even speak for our company,because we have our own spokesperson. I speak for what I learned and known, so that fellow MTC members will be properly inform. :mtc:

 

Not only in Germany,but also some part of Europe encountered problems not because of E-10, because they add other bio-gradable,renewable substance beside ethanol. They have themselves to be blame.

 

Sir Bengbangerz,

All car manufacturer right now confirmed their units are E-10 compatible. Of course, expedition,focus and escape lang ang pwede sa E-10, because they are gasoline feed. while their other variant gawa nang Ford dito eh diesel feed naman.

 

Ethanol is an alcohol-based, Check it for yourself, put an litmus paper on E-10 and check the PH kung acidic nga, don't listen to the horses mouth, see it for yourself. WYSIWYG.

 

Ethanol is an alternative fuel produced by fermenting and distilling starch crops (mostly sugar cane, corn, cassava), as of meantime all 95% of our ethanol needs are from Brazil, it's nothing to do with our food productions.

 

 

Technically speaking E-10 and pure petrol unleaded are characteristically identical, they have same density, vapor pressure, distillation, aromatics, benzene, even octane rating, kung baga "same person with different shirt". Plus, it help us to reduce dependency on imported oil,which is manipulated by the middle east. And of course, its renewable and bio-gradable that help reduce toxic and greenhouse emission.

[orthodoc]

AFAIK there are no more petrol station with unleaded non-ethanol. Even the small players are now selling unleaded ethanol blended only and premium unleaded products.

By year 2011, the Biofuels Act will mandate a minimum of ten percent (10%) blend of bioethanol by volume into all gasoline fuel distributed and sold by each and every oil company in the country.