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a woman who is totally well-read, and by that i mean that she should have read more books than i have, and she should have read an outrageously huge variety of books--from cooking to fiction to police procedurals to engineering to athletics to witchcraft to quantum mechanics and chaos theory.

meron bang babaeng ganun? i would suppose yung mga babaeng astronaut would have done that, since i heard the last one who went to space had multiple doctoral degrees, tapos physically fit pa and a mother--maybe also a pilot, too. whoooooh.

dream on....

ayoko ng mga babaeng hindi nagbabasa ng maraming libro.

aba, oo naman! i am absolutely flirty with girls. and why not? feeling that women respond to your sweetness and thoughtfulness can be fulfilling. i don't think that flirting is a crime, as long as you keep it within boundaries. flirting can be an art.

"out of the blue" by ferry corsten. perfect ito kapag pareho kayong lasing, gusto ninyong magpa tanggal ng lasing, so sasayaw kayo sa mabilis na tune. pwede nang dumiretso sa kama kapag pareho na kayong namamawis. then, pareho na kayong walang time para makinig pa sa ibang kanta. hindi naman pumipindot ng I-pod or I-phone or I-pad habang may ibang sayawan na nangyayari sa kama eh.

Thanks guys... I appreciate everything you shared here and everything that happened will be charge to experience... And now I am here in Sydney, it's time to find happiness without guilt.

nasa Sydney ka pala eh! ako nandito ako sa New South Wales, sa Hunter Area. iisa lang ang masasabi ko pare. masarap talagang mambabae. pero meron akong rules sa pambababae:

1) dahil nandito na din ako sa ibang bansa, mga puting babae ang masarap biktimahin.

2) dapat lagi akong win-win. kung mahulog man ang puso ko, dapat laging may plan B. parang boksing yan. matalo ka man sa round 3, hanggang round 12 pa naman eh. pwede rin mag rematch.

3) dapat imbes na ako ang nilalaruan, ako ang maglalaro

4) gusto ko ako ang susundan ng babae. kapag sabi kong "hintayin mo ako in three years", dapat mag hintay siya. kung makahanap siya ng iba, okey lang. ako rin meron na eh.

pero ang pinakamahalaga kong rule:

1) kung pilipina ang pag uusapan, sila ang pinakagagalangin ko. hindi ako manloloko ng pinay, kahit pa MPA siya or showbiz celebrity or stockholder ng Yahoo! or Google or Microsoft. pantay pantay kong ginagalang ang mga pinay.

so advice ko sa iyo, pare, dahil hindi ka nga naman laging natututo ( di ba sabi mo, "I never learn"?), eh di mga babaeng puti ang gawin mong target! maraming marami sila dito sa australia. sila ang pagbuntunan mo ng mga masasayang bawal na gusto mong gawin. :ninja:

I can give you an honest to goodness answer. YES!!! Had personally experience such, though it did'nt end well. I ended the relationship recently. She still tries to communicate although I've made up my mind...

i would plainly suppose that women are women are women. Mapa MPA man yan or yung pinakamayamang congresswoman sa batasang pambansa, pwedeng magmahal nang totoo yan or pwedeng magsamantala lang ng feelings ng lalake. walang babaeng "kakaiba" simply because of her work. ang hirap lang sa MPA, kailangan nilang magpakita ng GFE sa ibang clients. pero hindi ba ang mga girls na flirtatious ganun din? maraming artistang babae na flirtatious.

oo nga naman, bakit ba hindi na natigil sa isang beses ang pagkakamali? bakit kailangang maulit pa? siguro...hindi naman talaga mali. jejejeje.

Meron akong nabasang magandang book tungkol sa Buddhism. Simple lang ang title--Buddhism Explained, parang ganun. It was written by a Buddhist na academician din, may PhD or something. The book covered a bit about the history of Buddhism, and of course it starts with Gautama Buddha meditating under the tree by the river. And then, the narrative follows the gradual and incremental spread of Buddhism from one place to another.

The writer did not qualify "Buddhism" as strictly a "religion". I can see the point. Buddhism in some respects can be called a "philosophy" of living. Sa doktrina kasi ng Buddhism, wala namang "morality" to begin with. All your actions are not judged as being "right" or "wrong". There are just "actions" and "consequences". Some actions bring consequences that bring persons closer to the ideal state of nirvana. Some actions make it harder for you or for others to do so because of their consequences.

At its most basic level, as how I understood it, Buddhism's first "duty" ( if you can call it that ) is to make everyone understand the "Four Noble Truths", kasama na yung "Life Is Suffering", etc.

When a person properly comprehends the Four Truths, it will be easier for that person to choose his or her actions. You can either act in accordance with the Four Noble Truths, or you can act as if those truths were not important. The disadvantage of living a life that does not take into account the Four Noble Truths is that you will essentially live an unhappy life. For example, if you knew that "Life Is Suffering", and yet you act everyday as if it was not true, then hindi ka din sasaya and you will suffer even more. It can be funny to think about, but in Buddhism, the concept it sacred. Buddhism says that you cannot escape suffering, but there is a proper way of negotiating the suffering so that it will not matter anymore.

After the death of Gautama Buddha, the "philosophy" ( or religion, if you would like to think of it that way ) was popularized by many of his students, all of whom presumably had already reached "Buddha-hood". Many of those "Buddha's" developed their own interpretations of the Gautama's teachings. This was in ancient times pa, remember, and so the different interpretations became "sub-philosophies". It's the same way as how Catholicism has different interpretations as seen in different Religious Orders, e.g., Dominicans, Franciscans, Opus Dei, etc.

These branches of Buddhism eventually evolved their own pathways. The Buddhists in Tibet began practicing Tibetan Buddhism, which includes the teachings that there are actually "gods". Indian Buddhists migrated to China and converted many mainland Chinese, including an emperor. The Buddhist branch in China became known as "Ch'an". This same "Ch'an", if the scholarly records are accurate, reached across the sea from China and reached the shores of Imperial Japan. "Ch'an" then became "Zen" in Japan. Zen is one of the most popular strands of Buddhism today. But Indian interpretations of Buddhism continue to draw followers, and thus we see "Mahayanas", "Hare Krishna", et cetera.

Personally, I am more of a Zen fan. Just a fan, not a full-fledged practitioner. The discipline of Zen, I hear, can be demanding. What I like about this interpretation is how it insists that rigorous self-examination must be performed in the context of "is"-ness. But like other posters might already have said, Buddhism is not apprehended simply by words. It is important for the seeker to go out and experience firsthand the wonder and chaos of the world.

SECRET love affair. i'm sure a lot of MTC members would know the extent of being SECRET. ang tatay ko mismo had secrets. when he died, some other women appeared in his funeral, and they did not know each other. a SECRET is something that NO ONE KNOWS until you die. and then the secrets come to life. would i indulge in a secret love affair? of course! by the time other people know it, i would be DEAD.

if you can't keep a secret until you die, then don't. but if you can, why not?

Of course I would relish having to indulge in flings. I actually find it challenging to be able to seduce or flirt with many different types of beautiful women. And if I encounter a woman who would do the same thing, I would not judge her as a good or bad person because of it. The important thing is to keep yourself and your partner safe. Any activity can be enjoyable if it is kept within safe boundaries.

NCEE? Di ba ngayon iba na ang test? Sa sobrang tagal ng NCEE, parang nakalimutan ko na yata kung ano ang ibig sabihin nun. Pero natatandaan ko 98 ako. Di ko na matandaan kung may naka 99+ ba sa batch ng High School ko. 1988 yun eh. tanda ko na pala.

Men, ask yourselves why Dolphy had so many women. Hehehehehehe.

This is proven to be a MYTH na, as in scientifically proven. Napanood ko sa Discovery Channel. Hindi sa "Mythbusters" ha, hehe. Doon sa "The Science Of Sex Appeal", isang special program nila na mukha namang meticulously researched talaga.

Psychiatrists and psychologists have performed experiments with women of all ages and all types, and they found out that women are just as "virile" as men. So, it's also a myth that mas "manyak" ang mga males. Pareho lang daw, according to scientists. It's necessary for the survival of the species.

Males can have sex even if they are not in love with their sexual partner at the time of the deed. Ditto for women. Even married women, according to scientists.

I don't think that's something to be "ashamed" of, if you're a girl. It's human nature. If you doubt this, go watch "The Science Of Sex Appeal" yourself.

There's this cool and relaxing hang-out at Market! Market! in Fort Bonifacio Global City. Just about the whole length of the mall directly across the Serendra Apartments is lined with resto-bars like Gerry's, Gilligan's Island, etc., and the variety of food, drinks, and pica-pica come with price tags which are not too steep. The ever-ubiquitous "bucket" of San Mig Light or Red Horse Beer is tastefully set at around 200PHP, and a whole barkada of four can get by with around a budget of perhaps 2kPHP for both food and drinks. Not too bad. There's also band performances on some nights, so the ambience is somewhere between collegiate chic and yuppie upbeat vibe.

Problem is, most of the resto-bars close at around 12midnight.

Not to worry, because just nearby there is an even cheaper hang-out--Andok's Dine-In, where the food is and the booze--both at affordable prices--are available 24 hours a day. Eat and drink your hearts out until 8am, or even later, if you prefer. Parking is cheap, and there are lots of collegialas as well as call center chicks to goggle at.

Embassy and Ascend, the more expensive and upper-crust fixtures of Global City, are also just nearby. Then again, for the economical get-together, sticking closer to Market! Market! isn't too bad.

I'm not any sort of PR person for that mall. It's just that I live nearby. I don't have my own car, but I get to hang around the place quite often. Good place to hunt, too. :thumbsupsmiley: :thumbsupsmiley:

i work in showbiz and see these people all the time, the teenyboppers, the love teams, the child stars, and those half-Pinoy half-something celebs who speak lousy Filipino. actually i hate almost all of them except sina irma adlawan, ronnie lazaro, joel torre, chin-chin gutierrez, and other theater-bred actors and actresses, because are quite cool to be around with :thumbsupsmiley: . sayang si Fernando Poe Jr. kasi he was a very transparent guy back when i worked with him, no trace of hypocrisy whatsoever. if he was mad at you you would know it. if he thought you were a cool person you'd know it, too.

but i especially hate joseph estrada with all my guts. you can also toss in tito sotto, bong revilla, and all those sick-minded celebrities who went on to become politicians. ditto for fernando poe if he assumed the presidency...which he wasn't able to do . even showbiz members wished he wouldn't enter politics.

:thumbsdownsmiley:

nakakapagtaka din ang lalaki. they will say that when a woman is with another guy, even if it's obviously just for pure work and no pleasure involved, mas madali silang maapektuhan, madaling makakagulo ng sensibilities nila, they become instantly jealous.

whereas, kung lalake ang may kasamang ibang babae, they can always rationalize that "hindi naman nila mahal yun" and that they were just flirting, even if the encounter ends up on the bed.

when you are in love with MPAs, GROs, or PSPs, and the situation is such that she has to keep on working, the guy should be objective enough to maintain trust in the relationship. it's very hard to do, and not every male is capable of it. but if the male is willing to at least try, perhaps he should often remind himself that by being open minded he is probably already head and shoulders above other guys, and he can be proud of his own sincerity of intention and outstandingly mature comprehension.

guys, let us not let our different points of view reach a boiling point here. let us try to simply respect each other's experiences and learn from them. I think that it would not be fitting to judge the posts of SinisterPurpose as being right or wrong. love has always been a grey area, both in our perceptions of it and the way it affects us.

i myself am not really aware of any WACTS or 3 C's, but i do remember some personal experiences of mine which would be analogous to what SinisterPurpose says he had the privilege of having gone through. i am going to relate one of them here.

i am a regular customer of a certain habitue somewhere along Airport Road. this club has no dancers or massage service. it's a simpler setup. they have a videoke and GROs. you can enjoy the company of GROs in the public area or you can bring them up to the VIP rooms.

well, i never did use the VIP rooms because the tab is a bit expensive for me. so i made do with the cheaper public area.

i admit that i used to be "one of those guys" who would usually grab at any piece of skin whenever a GRO sat beside me, but after years of indulging in it i have to admit that i have mellowed down. usually i just go to airport road, get a GRO, and intoxicate myself. i've quit being a "manyak" with my hands. i just try my darndest to make the GRO laugh all the way with my humorous wit.. much like the way i would deal with any women of whatever background in a bar.

one time, i was with this GRO, let us call her M, and she and I were just laughing the night away. i teased her about her customers, and she would make fun of them. i offered many crazy and hilarious suggestions on how she could "get back" on her "menyak" customers should the need arise. we went on for hours, without any groping or touching or anything. then, i got this idea into my head that i really wanted to take her out, as in perhaps a one-nighter, you know.

so i suggested that after the bar's closing hours we go and, well, i used the terms "maybe we can carry on drinking and talking somewhere else". she was reluctant at first, and told me that she was going home with her cousin, who was also a GRO. so, i said to myself, "what the hell". she suggested that she would procure a taxi for me, so i agreed--it was closing time, anyway. so she brings me down to the street, and pulls up a taxi for me, and i hop into the taxi. as a "final effort", i told her "are you sure you don't want to come with me?" and then, all of a sudden, her face twitches a bit, then she climbs into the cab with me.

of course i was going to take a drink with her somewhere else, and of course it would be in a motel room.

we romped all night. wow. we did all positions. it was unimaginably wild for about three or four hours. in the morning the bed was broken.

i took her home in a cab and resumed my life. once in a while she would send me text messages, letting her know where she was, asking about me. i would answer with humour, of course, since i thought she enjoyed it very much.

turns out she enjoyed it too much, i suppose.

i eventually got tired of answering her text messages. two months go by and i am saddled with work. i thought about de-stressing so i went back to airport road again. whenever i go there i don't usually have any GRO in mind, i just pick among who would be there, whoever caught my eye. so the madam of the house introduces me to this gorgeous GRO, who dutifully sits beside me. she introduces herself as M.

okay, so i forgot about her!

i started talking to her much like how i would talk to any new girl acquaintance. i never did employ any "style". all of a sudden she is bitching about her other customers, and i didn't know where that diatribe came from. anyway, i suddenly realize that...hey, wasn't this the same GRO who i took to a motel only "recently"? as a one-nighter?

then, she was crying all over my lap. she told me that...uhm, well, she usually "charged a fee" for services outside the club but she never charged me at all that night because...but then again, she couldn't complete her sentences because she was crying.

oh man, i felt like jumping off a roof. anyway, after her crying bit, she calmed down, and told me that she was planning to take up collegiate studies in the future because of her "disillusionment with someone". i don't know. good thing she thought about going back to her studies again, in any case.

the night ended when she told me that she was already drowsy and wanted to sleep. i let her, and i went home guilty as a criminal, somehow.

well, that experience would happen to me time and again. the crying, i mean, not necessarily the "one-nighters". it doesn't happen all the time, but it has repeated itself more than i've expected it to.

flirting is a sign that you are already mature and responsible enough to know your boundaries. that you know the consequences.

the fun is in discovering that you have mastered what can and cannot be done. for newbies to flirting, you also have fun in discovering how much you can push the envelope.

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. it's fun in trying to discover if the person you are flirting with know the rules of the game or not, if the person you direct your energies to can handle it or not.

in short, flirt, flirt, flirt.

it's even more energizing when it sometimes happens that the person you are flirting with is actually more adept than you are and you realize that you have been given the runaround and ended up being enamored with who you were trying to ensnare in your charms in the first place!

you learn a new technique in the process.

sometimes i also wonder what makes PSPs/MPAs/GROs tick when it comes to costumers.

i say this because as i said i am a showbiz worker, and as a straight ( i repeat, straight ) male working within its confines it would not be unusual for us to somehow get used to "flirting" with our gay workmates ( directors, especially ). it's "part of our job" as we say. you have to get used to come-ons from gay people all the time! and you have to play along, because it can mean more opportunities for us. I guess girls in the line of work which we are talking about here have to "play along", too. it gives them more opportunities to earn. and i guess if males in showbiz have a boundary beyond which "playing along" becomes more than that, then MPAs/PSPs/GROs/etc. have that boundary as well.

the hard thing about it is, seduction has very very very loose boundaries. and women in this line of work LIVE on seduction. i mean, it is a matter of survival. as i said in an earlier post, even many women celebrities are exactly like this, and i mean exactly like this. on the part of the male, it takes a certain skill to separate seduction from true feelings.

my uncle was a police officer during the Marcos era ( please this is not OT ), and he was privy to many interrogations of crime suspects. now, true criminals are actually habitual liars. when you face them every night, and i mean every night, you somehow develop an "intuition" or "inner sense" which would tell you that this suspect or this one other guy is lying. he told me that this "inner sense" is not really taught by your peers, it is only acquired through actual experience, because what one lying suspect exhibits is not the same as what another one does.

i'm not saying that MPAs/PSPs/GROs are criminals, i want to be clear about that. i'm just simply saying that in like fashion, seduction is also hard to distinguish from genuine feelings. and as a guy, the skill of trying to ferret out seduction from sincere feelings cannot be taught. the knowledge to separate them is gained by experience.

i therefore agree that to be able to discern whether a woman doing "services" for you is doing it for "more than money" means that you have been widely exposed to the same practices before, and thus you are able to pick out many cues which alert you to the true nature of the motive behind the activity which you are participating in with the girl.

then again, even after a huge volume of accumulated experience, there is still a chance that the conclusions you make will be erroneous.

which simply reinforces the age-old adage that love is always a gamble. and it is in that very gamble that the participants experience the thrill and fulfillment of its pursuit.

guys, when we partake of services by MPAs/PSPs/GROs/etc., we at the outset are aware that any physical activity no matter how intimate that is consummated between boy and girl are bound by certain limitations. when those limitations are crossed, we are hounded by endless questions such as the ones most guys post here.

however, i am curious as to what questions the girls ask themselves, too. i mean, guys are not the only party here. girls are, too. it's a two-way thing. what questions hound the girls, anyway? anybody care to enlighten us guys? i mean, do you girls also develop an "intuition" which would tell you that, hey, this guy is all bullshit--or, what the f#&k, this guy is serious.

i mean, the girls in this profession are showered with all sorts of seductive maneuvers, too. you are always told that "maganda ka", "crush kita", "pag kasama kita nawawala lahat ng problema ko", or whatever else guys think of all the time, hour upon hour. what makes you think that in some occasions the guy is sincere, and not just using gimmicks and tricks?"

hope to hear from you......

He he he, yeah, taga showbiz ako pero OT naman to tell stories about it, and anyway mas madumi talaga ang nangyayari sa showbiz compared to the sincerity of the people posting their stories here, ha ha ha!

Anyways, it's just good to know that many Pinoys are open-minded enough to consider breaking the boundaries of love. We are all aware that there is always manipulation between clients and MPAs/PSPs/etc., but there do occur those special circumstances when woman and boy arrive at a point where their togetherness blossoms into something which only two hearts beating in unison can understand. Hell, whatever sex happened before won't matter.

Just look at Tito Ortiz and Jenna Jameson. :thumbsupsmiley:

I find the FR's and comments here more moving, sincere, and enlightening than any showbiz gossip i've ever encountered. Best of luck to those who truly love!

This is my first time posting in Manilatonight, and I have been backreading through this forum and have found many enlightening opinions and debates. I find it especially interesting that we Pinoys still regard PSPs/MPAs/Escorts, or whomever in the business of sex for money as being "other kinds of women". We still hold many stereotypes about them, and I trust that many of us here know what those stereotypes are already so I won't bother mentioning them.

However, I feel that what these "other women" actually do for work is not too different in essence from what millions of Pinay Domestic Helpers forced to do in other countries. What I mean by this is:

1) Domestic Help is actually "below" the qualifications and potentials of the Pinays doing it; they clean toilets, houses, kitchen utensils, clothes, etc. for their bosses even though there are many of them who are college graduates, former professional teachers, former nurses, etc.; same with PSPs, MPAs, etc.

2) Domestic Help is very very dirty work, but it pays thrice more than the usual "day jobs" in the Philippines. So, millions of women consider it as an option to make a living. Ergo the "other women" mentioned above.

3) Domestic Help is considered "not normal" work by other nationalities. Just like how we Pinoys consider being a PSP, MPA, etc.

My point is that, hey guys, these women do their "thing" to WORK. And it's not only "them" who do "these things" to WORK. I've worked in the showbiz industry for over ten years, and I would personally know of many, no, several "upstanding" women celebrities who pander their bodies to find...not enjoyment...but MONEY and WORK. Which is why I have come to the conclusion that PSPs, MPAs, etc. as well as many female showbiz superstars in my line of work basically do the same things...except that they get more, I mean tonloads more, of money for it. I also have to say that I know of several GUYS in showbiz who pander their bodies to you-know-who's just to be able to WORK.

So, it is in my mind that the more enlightened individual would do well not to consider PSPs, MPAs, or what-not as "other women". They are women, plainly put. And yes, they can fall in love. And yes, we can fall in love with them, if ever there comes such a time.

As to the challenges faced by men and women in this situation, well, you're not alone my friends. Just look at our good old boy Tony B-- C., who is always seen in the company of G---- B., a woman who is considered as a "w---e" by members of Tony's family. And yet, they're still at it. Well...just my two cents' worth.