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Once a guy gets into a relationship with a therapist, he should never ever bring up her work during arguments.

 

I know a girl who was in the same situation as Sitti's. Her bf would get other theras just to spite her and make her jealous. Later the guy accused her of deliberately getting pregnant just to force them to settle down. They then lived together, but as far as I can remember, the guy went on his spa-going ways.

 

Another thera shared also her story. She and her husband were doing it, but since she was tired, it was not 100% effort. The guy told her " kailangan ko ba mag-tip para mas ganahan ka?" It was that brutal. I also know the guy would hit her using her work as an excuse.

 

So unless a guy is capable of being quiet in word and in deed about the lady's work, he shouldn't pursue a therapist. Sumbat is never an option.

...now that is a stinging and hurtful comment which perfectly shows how her "past" will forever haunt her and the partner....everytime they fight, sumbatan na ng masasakit na salita... kasi nga naman I can imagine the guy would always be tormented by the mental image of her girl being enjoyed by other men...

this topic is my guilty pleasure ...I actually don't visit a lot of the other threads but this thread keeps me coming back since I can look back at my own misadventures, missteps and misdeeds and misjudgments in the past years, specifically in getting into relationships with theras...

if there ever was a serial dater of theras, I was that guy,,,I went after some of the hottest and the most in-demand theras in their "era" and won over a good number of them... like some of the posters, i went bipolar ... as in at some point I was a martyr bf/ KISA/thera apologist/financier/booster/etc to the other extreme of being so disgusted by my being so hooked on these ladies...

like an addict who had an epiphany, I literally went thru a long rehab to escape the rut...dated "normal" girls , etc...only after a good amount of time away from them did I get peace of mind and contentment that I was looking for...

But then at some point, I also finally accepted that the problem was me...I could not have succeeded even with all the good vibes/financial support and best of intentions a man can muster because I was not capable of giving them the unconditional love that it would entail to accept loving a girl with that sort of baggage...it actually didnt matter if she was a thera, a model or an accountant or whatever,.. If a guy aint ready to jump off that cliff and get real with these ladies, it wouldn't matter if she made a living as a an office girl or a cock-sucker...

I suddenly remember a fellow veteran GM who actually counted all of his encounters with a single thera and wrote religiously here in MTC about each encounter like a journal...I think he reached several hundreds ...some of the other MTC posters even got irritated as it became too uncomfortable for them already constantly finding all the accounts of his encounters with the girl... i think that's a cautionary tale on how far a guy can fall for a thera...

Nalulungkot ako sa mga bagong istorya ng mga GMs na patuloy na nag fall for a thera ...

Para maibsan ang lungkot ko at the same time e maka-interview ng isang magandang thera kung ano ang opinion niya, punta muna ko sa spa in the interest of scientific research...I will make sure to probe her deeply hehehee....

At last, I can share a story to all of you; Although I'm not really sure if it should be posted in this thread or in the other.

 

There was this client named Jigs whom I met. He was a real gentleman. He's not young, 47 to be precised and yes, he has a family. He and his wife is not legally separated yet tho they only have the marital agreement on paper but not through their relationship anymore. When he saw me, he immediately asked me questions like, "what if there is someone that is willing to accept you for what you are and tonsupport you, would you agree? And what do you need to make that relationship work?" I was blunt, I told him, "Communication, responsibility and financial support". He was glad of my answer and he asked me that very same question not only twice but I think at least 5 times until he proposed. He said, "I'm not getting younger and I need to find the woman for me". He asked me how much I am earning per month and I told him, my basic salary is just an estimation of 25k per month but I'm earning around 40-60k depending on my mood and if probably there is lesser abuse of short changing scenarios.

 

He said, I am earning at least 500k a month and I am willing to support you. He was outright and straight forward with his offer but I'm not a newbie. I mean, I used to receive those indecent proposals way back I was younger and not because a man promised you of something, it's true, right?

 

Now going back, on our first meeting, we had our first session and he handed over 4k. The thing that was turning me off is he was enforcing me to stop working and to respond "I love you too"everytime he say "I love you".

 

Now, I can't just stop. He hasn't given me the amount he promised. What if it's just talkshit? I can't also say what he was asking. How on earth can someone tell you "I love you" on the very same day that he met you? Call me a bitch but not a liar.

 

The next day, he wanted to meet again for a lunch date but I can't since I'm too busy with my stuffs at home. I explained to him that I'm looking after 2 babies in the afternoon. My daughter and my lil bro. But he keep on asking me out in the afternoon. As the day goes by, he became more and more demanding. Well, it's understandable because he's leaving for Oman already. But, I keep on suggesting him that we should meet in the evening. Days passed we failed. If he's not available, he is not replying.

 

And then before he left, he was showing this mellow drama attidue of "Siguro hindi ako ang lalaking para sayo" and that instantly cut my temper out. Ayoko sa drama especially when there is no feelings involved. At least not yet, remember, we only met once.

 

I told him, "I already told you of my availability, I was suggesting a time for us but it's you who's not responding during the evenings. I told you I'm still looking for kasambabays. Now if you can't understand my situation, take your offer with you because I can live without submitting to someone who can't understand my situation".

 

The very least I can probably do is let him go. I may not really be for someone with that kind of relationship. But yeah, it's a fail story. Time is important and understanding too.

Thanks for that sharing Ms Mia..

Medyo premature pa siguro lang yung offer ni kuya "Jigs"....for you to seriously consider and accept his offer, dapat medyo may enough time for you if he's for real or drawing lang.....

Yung 4k is not even enough to signify if the dude was truly generous...

He wants to meet during daytime is a sign that he needs to be home by night time hehe...

besides, did you even like the guy as a potential boyfriend and exclusive partner?..

Just my take..

 

i agree. it's funny how other people think of themselves as someone who's so clean and mighty while belittling girls from these type of industries. but in reality they're even worse.

it's hypocrisyand foolish to think of ourselves as above them simply because we pay them and they serve our earthly desires...

actually, wala na pinag-iba ang thera/MPA/GRO/PSP at ang mga parukyano nila...idagdag mo na yun mga handlers/pimps/managers/bugaws at ang mga corrupt officials and whoever is making money out of this racket...

both are doing illegal and criminal acts ....equally liable...equally guilty...

Her past and the guy's hobby of looking for another woman as a past time. Let's not cite it like as if its the guys's trust issues. Remember, marami lalaki at kayo mismong mga lalaki ang nagsasabi samin na gusto nyo lang naman tumikim ng ibang putahe.

I agree Ms Mia..trust begets trust..

sa umpisa pa lang, the guy meets the thera in that environment and the girl meets the guy in the same place while s as you say 'tumitikim ng ibang putahe" ...hardly the positive first impression that a normal couple goes through di ba..

so imagine them in a fight or LQ at some point and let's just say this can easily become an issue..

Based on personal experiences, :

1. Do I really think a client can truly fall in love with a thera ? A resounding YES...

2. Can a thera truly fall in love with client? I believe they could too...

3. Can a client-thera relationship survive without her getting out of the spa world? not likely because of all the cited reasons, selos, failure to address the financial needs, threat of STDs, insecurity and dishonesty, etc...I think if the couple have truly fallen in love, this is a nonpnegotiable, she must get out and the guy must help her get out and rebuild her psyche and self -esteem..

4. can a client and thera who fell in love and went out into the sunset after the financial needs have been addressed, have a chance to succeed? yes they could, and the chances of success have increased....but then may irritant pa din kasi all couples tend to fight at some point and her "past" is always an unfair and constant ammunition against the girl..

 

Quite guilty here about the reason hahaha!. Well, that's apart from a distinct and creative marketing and training for my staffs but as I have said numerous times, ATW is not allowed in our spa yet, I enjoy the pleasure of being pleased. Cheers!

Wow... a girl who can tease your senses and blow your mind, hehee...

I have to meet you Ms Mia before you decide to retire:)

On a good day a thera (in the top ten) can easily clear 10K, what the cost of that is mentally and physically I wouldn't care to guess. Many of them develop some form of psychological problem- particularly borderline personality disorder, or already have it to begin with. It is very doubtful that they can really transition to a more "normal" career as they grow older or more set in their ways. I am certain there are successes when a guy is willing to get them out or really financially support their needs- though I think that is more of the exception to the rule. I have never been in a relation with one that was not purely transactional which lasted more than a year- after all sex only goes so far. Still and all that is not to say I never felt anything approaching a deep and intimate affection.

 

I agree, we should not unduly burden them with our judgment or our own analysis of their "situation". The ideal is to leave them better off than when you found them. Of course, I strongly advise against a very serious relationship between clients and Theras, I think the complications often outweigh the perceived benefit. I think many have been blunt before, including myself, that for any male of a "normal" mainstream upbringing- the jealousy; the cuckolding; the financial burdens; and other issues are near insurmountable as to make such a relationship a losing proposition.

This summation is on point...

Despite the stiff competition among spas and from MPs and PSPs, KTVs etc, the money that they have made and still can make is really good..hence prostitution is still thriving.. despite being illegal and degrading, a lot of these girls will eagerly do it.. for every sales lady from SM who breaks her back by standing for hours, and make a pittance, there will always be the therapists who will make 100000 x more by just being sexy and pretty and giving all variations of "extra service" to any horny guy with a few thousand pesos to burn...

All told, based on being a simple client to intimately engaging them for the past few years, I concluded the following:

1. dont over analyze their plight nor their motivations; their psyche and values are broken are distorted; they are in the fringe of everything...

2. dont try to be a knight in shing armor; they dont need you to save them; or as said, they dont want /deserve to be saved..save yourself the mindf#&k hehe..

3. those veterans who are still in it are hardened, street wise, practical and shrewd, ..dont try to play mind games with them because you'll lose ..

If you still enjoy going to spas, do so but dont think you can find true love ..

.. I revisited this section and to my pleasant surprise, tumaas na ang level ng interaction and discourse sa topic na ito immensely..quite similar to the "falling for a therapist" thread..

I love the posts of Ms Mia and Sitti..they are blunt, grounded and they speak from a place of truth since they live in THAT world..

I must come clean though...I was that guy/GM/spa goer who in the early years of the espa boom perhaps thought of myself as a "knight in shining armor' or maybe I was just suffering from the "pretty woman syndrome" or maybe I was just a very disturbed guy who was always horny......I'm not very rich but I'm doing OK so money was not an issue for me or for them...

I deliberately sought out all the top theras who were known for their beauty and sexiness, ...befriended them, gave them gifts, took them out etc...in so doing, I had a number of them as my girlfriends in the real sense of the word, behaved like real bf/gf, I met their families and friends outside the spa , and of course I gave them financial support to the extent that I can, and really engaged them outside the spa world...

I even had a baby with one, impregnated another,,,,

but at some point I looked inwards and looking back, I realized that maybe I made it my "sport" to bag all of the top theras , and I know that this was simply to feed my ego...to increase my trophy collection so to speak...

Did I really care for them?, I can unequivocably say yes... did they in turn really care for me?, only they can say for certain...

One thing is for sure though, none of those relationships worked out since we were all "damaged" and "broken" people and relationships cannot survive those challenges..

Peace:)

Hi GMs,

 

It is not exactly bad to fall for a therapist or a GRO. Everyone have their right to love and be loved. To respect and be respected. Sometimes, people have the misconception that they are "dirty" or "sluts". But you know what? Everyone have their chances.

 

Just for everyone to know, therapists also have the feeling of loneliness and have the tendencies to have low self-esteem. "Ano na lang ang sasabihin ng mga tao sa kanya at sa akin pag nalamang ganto ang trabaho ko?". Some clients would often tell them, "Sana hindi na lang tayo nagkakilala sa gantong paraan." which is a hit right on the spot. But then, there are therapists who are graduate of 4 year courses and are just doing everything that they can to help their families or there are therapists who are currently students right now and are doing their best to finish their studies to have a good future.

 

We do have to remember that there are also some therapists who are one day millionaire and just don't litererally think of where to spend their instant cash. These are the type of people whom you guys should be careful about.

 

Let's not generalize all therapist. Each of us have our own reasons of why we chose this path.

 

-Mia

Great points Ms Mia:)

but I think we're just talking about the "success rate" of relationships between a regular guy and a "working girl". You must admit it's really more of a challenge to make it work.

All people who work for a living have their reasons why they do so...I respect that you and the ladies have made your choices or have taken this path...but for every pretty girl who chose your line of work, there are also countless others who are similarly challenged economically but choose a less lucrative line of work.. but with less moral and legal issues...ultimtely "to each his own" and sabi nga respeto na lang.. afterall, each of us have to face the consequences of the actions and decisions we make..

Why do i have this feeling na majority na nag post dito sa thread eh either in a relationship or have a past relationship with a thera. Mabuti naka move on na ako.... but I can never tell lalo na pag may matipuhan ulit kaya iniiwasan ko ang spa sa d. tuazon.

I think sir, madali kasing maghanap ng maliligawan sa espa or KTV or even MPs..... girls are conveniently available since naka hilera na sila everyday sa lineup, sa pics pa lang at sa frs makakahanap ka na ng kursunada mo haha..sabi nga ng isang vetaran MTC member noon, ang manligaw sa isang spa, MP or KTV is like "hunting in a farm" ... now whether she really likes/loves you is another matter...some girls do fall but a lot more are just playing along din.

masrap manligaw sa spa or MP or KTV kasi wala silang choice dahil nagbabayad tayo:)those who chose to make the girls their gfs outside the joint actually side stepped and bypassed a lot of stages like getting to know them, courtship, etc...kumbaga hubad na kayo pareho at nagagawa na yung gusto eh mag-iinarte pa ba?hehe..

kaya hats off ako sa mga guys who know their gfs' colorful past and still choose to stay with them and help her turn a new leaf , I myself can never be that noble as I knew about myself after my failed relships...we may call those guys "pendeho/suckers/masochists, etc" but those who stick with them through it all exemplify genuine unconditional love.

it just won't work... at least in my experience hehe..

i thought i can disprove it myself but after several attempts with different girls, I was finally convinced that the girls' "past" is something that will haunt us both and prevent us from engaging in a positive and emotionally stable relationship.

Granted that I too have issues and baggage, these girls are either too "broken' ' or hardened by engaging in this profession that any normal dude cannot just let go of the knowledge that she is/was a therapist..

those who are looking for love in an espa is looking at the wrong place...

what I did,.. I stopped going to espas, shifted my attention to other girls who worked in different professions and made myself a happy dude who doesnt have to worry that his girl is being enjoyed by other guys on a daily basis..

I had this ex gf, she was a superstar thera sa Shizuka way back 2011 to early 2012...i wanted to really help her but at some point i sensed she was "gauging" if im her meal ticket..im a generous bf but when i made it clear and she realized that i wasnt willing to support her and her family...same ending ..we parted ways ...pag talaga may pera involved sa equation, malabo msg succeed ang relship w a thera or MPA..maski pareho kaming may genuine feelings sa isat isa..

I took my kids on their first trip to HK last month, we stayed at Marco Polo and Disneyland Hotel. Our best trip to HK ever, iba talaga ang Ocean Park and Disneyland for kids, their sense of wonder is infectious.

Shopping in HK is soo prohibitively expensive na, its cheaper to go to China nga and even Kuala Lumpur and yes our beloved Manila for some specifc signature brands.

In my opinon, choosing to become a commercial sex worker rather than an ordinary office worker, factory worker or sales lady is like entering into a "Faustian" deal. High income = higher emotional, psychological even physical risks and payback, oftentimes irreparable.

If they fall in love with a guest, given the circumstances within which they met, a real genuine relationship would be a huge challenge for both.

Question is, would the girl sacrifice the high income just to take a chance on a relationship that may provide the love and care that she needs BUT not the financial security that she sought which drove her to become a commercial sex worker?

Question is,

Smith,

I'd have to agree with how you think bro! Lessons well learned it seems......That's why I find it funny that some guys find it so important to "ligaw" or be "nice" to thsese MPAs and GROs, to the extent of forming some sort of cult or fan clubs for the hos, hahahahah!

They're just commodities, hindi para totohanin.

Mr Threadstarter,

The fact that you've opened this topic means that you're unsure, this is your cry for help para siguro mahimasmasan ka.

Tama ang mga bros na nagsasabi na malabo maging successful ang relationship nyo, sobra dami baggage. Don't complicate your life if you can help it.

Besides, kung hindi ka talaga mahal nung babae at ma-exploit ang good intentions mo?

Pero kung desidido ka na lumagay sa magulong buhay, go for it! Baka lumigaya din kayo.