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how much?

Look anybody with decent reading comprehension skills and an open mind would have no problem understanding that I was of course referring to a particular group of people THAT DO EXIST.

i wonder who this reply is addressed to? drop the mic edmund. you know what you're talking about

Ano nanaman at dinawit nanaman ako dito? Lol. Tagal ko ng di dumadalaw dito eh.

 

Look anybody with decent reading comprehension skills and an open mind would have no problem understanding that I was of course referring to a particular group of people THAT DO EXIST. Mga lalakeng sa bisyong ito na umiikot mundo nila at ginagamit na sukatan ng galing ng pagkalalake nila. Mga lalakeng walang ibang pinagkakaabalahan kundi ito. Me isa pa ngang kaso years back na lahat ng pinadadala ng misis nya na OFW ginagastos sa isang MP sa rizal. Meron ba akong sinabi kahit kelan na lahat ng lalakeng pumupunta sa KTV or MP ay ganito? Again I was referring to a particular group of people. Parang nung sinabi ni Donald Trump na ayaw nya sa illegal immigrants na me criminal records pa, hindi yun pareho sa ayaw nya sa immigrants in general.

 

Hey, to each its own! lahat naman tayo me bisyo. Nasa kung papano mo na lang dalhin yun. Ang iba kasi bisyo nila nagdadala sa kanila. And I believe at that time (matagal na yun kasi) I said that out of ilan dito na akala mo kung sinong mga white knight sa mga thera dito, pero mamaya sa kabilang thread kung pagusapan sila eh parang..... huwag na nga, baka me mapikon pa lalo.

 

Thing is, I have nothing against theras. I know one whom I really consider a friend. Here, I have friends who work in clubs too. And I spend sunday's sa bahay nila. My consistent stand lang naman sa issue na ito, is that hindi ang ganitong klaseng trabaho ang pwede magnurture ng isang healthy romantic relationship. Mas maganda, umalis sa trabaho na ito, then saka magumpisa ulit.

 

Totoo lang, mas kawawa nga minsan babae. Like yun isang kaso dito na umabot pa sa thread eskandalo. Kung kelan nakawala na yun babae sa trabaho saka ineeskandalo sya ng misis ng nakarelasyon nya.

at last. someone who gets it. the group of people who you are referring to who think the measure of their manhood is reliant upon the theras they get in spas are the ones i was referring to as well. these people are just a bunch of losers.

If your wife gets into an affair with a guy, tells you that she needs the quick fix, how would you feel? Well, she says naman na ikaw naman yung mahal nya at uuwian nya and all.

 

Pero it is just that libog na libog sya with the other guy.

 

I need your straightforward answer on this. Di ko lang sure kung na explain mo na to though.

i did address this already but since you weren't clear on my posts i will repeat for you. as long as she's not hiding anything, i wouldn't begrudge her. and we have a set of rules like both of us can't be bareback we both use protection. it's lust not love. there's a difference when you have sex with another woman you don't love as opposed to a woman you love more than yourself.

i'm guessing this is a very hard concept for some guys to grasp given their cultural, and religious beliefs affecting how they view certain situations

and to be quite frank, she keeps comparing me that i look like this celebrity. personally i wouldn't mind if she does it with a model or good looking guy. i would feel very offended if she said it was with a guy who i think is not up to the standards of what a good looking male would be.

i pick good looking girls so why shouldn't she not be able to do it. i'm all for equality. i'm not narrow minded enough to let only the males eat their cakes.

let's be real here. i'm sure more than half of the GM's wives' and GF's in the real world fantasize about other men. same thing we do when we fantasize about other women and im pretty sure each and every GM would be offended if their wives and gf's had an opportunity to sleep with those men they fantasize. if any of your gf's or wives were had a chance to sleep with brad pitt or ryan gosling would you feel offended? im sure the answers would be yes.

Hi GMs,

 

 

Good PM.

 

I think the thread has really taken a life of its own. Lol...I believe someone already said above, each to his own. If PPK has that arrangement with his partner, and they are both happy with it, then who are we to intrude and judge? Same way we do not want anyone judging and lecturing us on what we do.

 

Live and let live. Respect in all matters even in a sexually oriented forum like this. Let's keep it fun, friendly and flowing.

 

 

May

that's right may. some people who react to my posts are affected so much they take offense to what i say. they even judged what my situation is, why? because your situation is any better? i'm not the one hiding things to my gf/wife about my extra curricular activities in spas and even falling in love with a thera at the same time? and yet they have the audacity to say my situation is not up to their own standards.

anyway, i've already talked about that.

what i want to know May is this. you've always talked about yourself from a therapists side.

let's give you a scenario where you are playing the role of a wife/gf of a guy who you don't know is a GM. how would you feel about if you caught your bf/husband doing these things behind your back. see nobody asked you this question. i wonder why. would you rather have caught him in an awkward position or would you rather have him confess these things to you? would you have accepted him doing it? since you mentioned in your previous post that since you are a therapist and if you had a relationship down the line you would rather have the guy not doing these things

--this is a side note i'm adding and you don't have to answer this since i'm just thinking aloud. i'm not sure if its a culturally acceptable norm for the filipino male to have more than 1 girl in his relationship status. since this is a predominantly roman catholic religious country. the majority of males here act like they're muslims who can have more than 1 relations with females but they want to keep they're roman catholic card. just an observation i've witnessed in my years

 

 

I think the point of argument that you made here is about honesty and disclosure.

 

From what I read, your “I don't need to lie to her. I'm open with her” means that she is aware of the whole picture. If you just generalized what happens inside the cubicle, then you are not giving her the full idea of it. Yes, she may be aware of the things that may happen (as what you have mentioned her), but c’mon, she might be unaware of what really happened. What you are doing is still what you were saying as the “selective truth”. Please be reminded that your partner has to have a whole picture of this as this defines the magnitude of what you are doing (and this is everyone of us in here is afraid of: our partners knowing the magnitude of what we are doing). You are just not volunteering information to her, and we have nothing against it. Is not volunteering information and selective truth considered a lie? A lie is defined as an intentionally false statement. I don’t think we still have to dig deeper on its definition. We can all agree to disagree on this the whole day and still come up with nothing. May you guys be served by your own interpretation on it.

 

As for the reporting of the very details, if you want to come clean with your partner, give her the whole picture of it. After such, that will be the time that we can all establish that she is fine with everything that we are doing here. Also, please don't throw us the military type of reporting argument here, c'mon bro. After all, just the mere fact that everyone of us here is posting with anonymity simply tells that we are not open and honest to our loved ones and close friends.

 

Let us just go back to the topic and not make it plainly about our views. It would be more pleasant to hear the next bittersweet and/or successful GM-thera relationship story on this thread. May we all find love in our lives, may it not be with a thera.

for the purposes of being since some people don't get what i meant by being honest. i did give her the whole picture. you want the specifics of the conversation? i told her literally what happens, blow jobs, hand jobs and sometimes the occasional sex. i even went and explained the difference between the massage parlors, spas, psp's and escorts. i don't believe i was being "selective" in telling her what i wanted her to know about.

i don't know why you would misunderstand what i posted when i said she got the general idea of what goes on because she knows what goes on. now whenever i go there. do i need to give her the details like hey i went today and i got a shot a load in the mouth of my therapist. i mean seriously? if she knows that customers get blow jobs, hand jobs and whatever in the establishment then no need to state the obvious.

that's why i said im open and honest to her i wasn't hiding anything. i promised her as long that as long as i have no emotional attachment like falling in love. then its fine. as she said its "lust" not "love" that goes on in these places.

i was always transparent with her so for anyone to question my honesty i take very serious offense to.

that's what makes my situation different. that's why i said there's only a handful of people willing to be honest to their loved ones about their extra-curricular activities, because they have insecurities about themselves.

now going to the topic. i'm not against people falling for therapists. i just have a differing opinion on what and how a relationship a therapist should be. it all boils down to honesty for me. if the thera and gm decide to hide certain truths from their own loved ones then more often than not that relationship will fail. although god gave us the ability to have free will. people also have to remember that certain decisions have Consequences. and God always comes back to collect on those consequences. that's what i want people here to be mindful of.

im not lecturing people here. I'm just here to voice an opinion that some people here are either afraid of talking about or don't want to talk about. Reality. Anyone can disagree with me and that's fine i don't give a sh it. I'm not here to persuade anyone to change their decision. I'm here to remind people of what can and might happen and be conscious about what if things don't go your way. i always see posts about sob stories of failed relationships and the "i feel in love" stories about puppies and rainbows.

so im posting about a different perspective on the matter.

 

So I assume you are Ok if your partner gets boned by another guy as long as she is honest? After all that's what you do. You are the one she goes home to so I guess she has your permission to get touched by other men, walang problema. If that is how you choose to live your life, that is how you choose to define your partnership, as long as you both accept the status, then you are both free to do as you please.

 

But to be honest, most of us are laughing at you. You lecture about God and honesty in a sex forum. Think about that.

as long as you're not hiding anything. it is what it is. its a two way street. you're trying to say its ok for guys to be polygamous but when it comes to their wives and gf's they can't do it? doesn't sound equal.

you can laugh all you want but i don't see anything wrong in being honest to your loved ones and being open with them. are you trying to say since this is a sex forum its ok to lie and hide?

the point im trying to make is you be honest to your loved ones. but you make it sound like its wrong to be honest because sex and honesty don't mix?

if i'm going to do something like this at least im gonna be honest about it.

Why don't you try being honest to your wife or gf. tell them you go to a spa? let's see how your wife/gf reacts. that is if you're really willing to do it unless there's some insecurity there and fear that she might do the same to you.

it sounds like men like to have other desserts while keeping their entree to themselves. doesnt sound fair to your wives/gf's doesnt it. and yet the guys here want that kind if setup. if only your wives and gf/s knew what you were doing. tsk. tsk. tsk.

if guys are babaeros then women should be open to other guys if the couple agrees to have no problem with it.

i guess there are people who have trouble grasping this concept.

my difference with people here is, at least she knows im doing it and she is ok with it. i have nothing to hide. it feels good to be honest.

This makes me wonder how your partner sees you. No offence bro. But for her to accept the fact that you are receiving sexual favours coming from other ladies (aside from your wife) in exchange of money, something must be wrong with her.

 

Should it be true, the underlying question here is: does she really know every detail of it? The very details that she did to you and you did to her while inside the cubicle. Including the real amount of tip that you gave. I may sound repetitive and I don't want to speculate things here, but when you said that you are open with her, do you mean that she knows every detail of this?

I don't take offense. If you take offense to what I'm doing its the same offense i take with people who lie to their loved ones and hide they go to these places.

My honesty frees me from the guilt. I don't feel the need to hide and make up stories whenever i go because im honest.

I had one conversation with her about it and told her what goes on in general of course i detailed what and could happen so in essence she's clear on the establishment. I don't need to do a play by play everytime i tell her i went to the spa. Don't you find that a bit redundant and silly? It sounds stupid to be doing that because it feels like you need to report to a military commander. We're not in the army. Are people that dense?

I find it hillarious that some people think you need to detail your visits every time you go. I think people on this thread who react to what i say need to think long and hard before they talk about exclusivity. The majority of you i think are not open with your real wives or GF's you feel you need to hide your spa visits. Hmm.. Interesting reaction from the posters here. I'm laughing while i type this.

I think they have a term for what i do. its called swinging.

As long as she gets the general idea then its clear to her. You know why both of us are comfortable? its because we don't have insecurities. At the end of the day she is one i love and go home to. No emotional attachment to these theras whatsoever.

I guess people are too afraid to be open out there to their own parents and families they feel the need to hide their insecurities.

and to make my point clear. if you are going to have relationship with a therapist. I dare you to be open. Be hones with your parents, loved ones and close friends. If you truly love the therapist. and i mean really love then telling people who you consider close families and friends wouldn't be a big deal.

Fear and insecurity are the ones holding you back because you are afraid of the vitriol and judgment that's going to come from them. But that comes with the baggage doesn't it? You made that bed, you sleep on it.

Mabuti pa si sir. He's above all of the losers and liars that frequent the spas (his words, not mine) and his spouse/gf/so is aware that he goes to one without consequences.

 

I salute you. If ever reincarnation is true, i hope i come back just like you.

Reincarnation? why wait for reincarnation when you can make a decision for yourself. You can decide to be honest to your loved one, unless something is keeping you from doing that. Fear maybe? Fear because you expect that loved one to react in a disagreeable manner and you think she won't understand? you made that bed you sleep in it. Like i said before, everyone is capable of making decisions for themselves. if they choose to hide something from their loved ones its no different from lying.

i don't want something like that to weigh on my conscience so i don't lie to her. at least she knows im not hiding anything.

if you decide to lie. just know there will be repercussions for what you're doing. You can try to hide it from everyone on this earth, but you can't hide it from God. It will come back to bite you. So don't be surprised if something happens in your life down the road and you ask yourself why would this happen to you.

WTF ano kinalaman ng federal offense dito? The Accountant pa more hahaha (that's a line from the movie, also we are in the Philippines ffs).

 

Kidding aside, incomplete truths are indeed not lies. However, to hide the truth or parts of it is insincerity. And you don't need to be sincere to everyone around you (like the parents of your loved one). Pero kung insincere ka pati sa taong sinasabi mong mahal mo, eh iba na yun hahaha.

 

I haven't seen that movie. But i do know that lying on a job application is not acceptable. I've seen questions asking "if you've been involved in a felony etc."

Those types of questions can be seen on a job app in the Philippines as well not just outside the country. Especially if its a foreign company. I was merely reacting to what May said regarding "padding resumes" and not being truthful to a job application because she is under the impression that its ok to do those things just so she can justify lying with regards to not being honest with your loved ones about your GF/thera's history and background.

Lying is lying even if some people try to spin it all kinds of ways in order to justify their actions. I stand by what i said. Your actions may not be judged by people. But they will be judged by God.

If people decide to lie, subvert or omit truths then that is their decision. May God have mercy on your soul. I respect everyone's decision here. I'm just here to remind everyone. People are capable of deciding what to do with how they live. Stand by those decisions since you made them. But also be prepared for the consequences of those actions. and in the end God will judge you.

 

 

Hi PPK,

 

 

Good morning.

 

I am not certain how young/old you are but I was wondering what you would say when you arrive at your house after a spa session, a female loved one like your wife/daughter/sister asks, "Saan ka galing?" Do you answer, "Sa Midas, nagpa blowjob kay May." or would you select your words carefully and answer along the lines of "Sa Antipolo, may pinuntahan lang"?

 

Both are technically true. But one statement would serve your purpose better. The fact that we are in this forum means that we, one way or another patronize this industry. As such, most of us also know what this environment entails. For GMs, it means conjuring excuses to wives/GFs, sparing money for this vice which otherwise would have better uses. For theras, it means we manage the perception of our parents/relatives to make sure they are kept in the dark about the real nature of the job, wishing everyday that no family member or a close acquaintance walks into the spa or reads the forums and sees our provocative pictures. We do not need any reminder of these things as we all walked into this situation with open minds. Having said that, I do not think any of us are in the moral high ground to lecture anyone about truth, honesty and God.

 

Let us all enjoy the business in its intended purpose. We are here to provide GMs a quick and uncomplicated release and theras earn a quick buck. If in the process, something else like love develops, then so be it. Both parties know exactly know that they are getting into. Whether they succeed in that endeavor, that is the question both must face knowing full well where and how they met in the first place.

 

Good discussion sir. Enjoyed reading this thread very much. :D

I don't need to lie to her. I'm open with her. She knows what these places are. She understands what these spas represent. She would have an issue with it if it had an emotional aspect to it. She appreciates my honesty and loves me more because of it. She told me that she would have resented me if she found out i was hiding it and lying instead of being honest from the start.

My situation doesn't apply to people who try to omit their "truths" to their loved ones. Doing that only serves your own purposes and justifies the reason for lying, it doesn't serve the purposes of your relationship with the loved one. To me, that's being selfish and only thinking about yourself.

 

I actually disagree. A white lie is an "untruth" that is told to prevent someone from being upset - "Ma, c May, nagtratrabaho cya sa banko." - This is a white lie.

 

Selective truth is presenting partial snippets of truth for the same purpose. "Ma, c May. Accounting grad cya.Working cya sa Antipolo ngaun." - This is a good example.This is factual, not a fallacy.

 

It is similar to submitting a resume. You highlight what you think are the best qualities to look at to achieve the desired perception. You indicate that you graduated lets say from UP or Ateneo, top notch schools. But you wouldn't admit in the same resume that you were dropped from 2 subjects due to delinquency. Right? Selective truth is not the same as a white lie.

 

My 2 cents.

Call it what you want May. A lie is a lie. Selective truth is also called omitting the truth. Partial Truth is not wholly honest. What if i'm to tell you lying on a job application is a federal offense? Probably depends on the job you are applying for but there's a question on a job app that asks about solicitation for sexual activity.

I only mentioned that because you are cited submitting a "padded resume" just so you can make your background look good.

But going back to your "selective truth". Its not me that's going to judge you. God will. you don't need me or anyone to tell you if you're telling a lie or not. Like i said you made your bed, you sleep on it. But remember, the man above is watching all the time...

 

Haha! Bro, I admire porn stars! But, comparing them to therapists is bit of a stretch for me. It's like comparing a Nascar driver (some are even comparable to a Formula 1 race car driver) to a drag racer.

 

Drag racers are famous (locally or in their own circuit) and skilled but not as famous or high-profile as a Nascar or F1 driver. LOL. Like I said, let's just agree that your opinion is that they're the same and my opinion is that they are different.

A logic full of flaws. Comparing Nascar drivers to F1 drivers and drag racers. You're talking about the same thing. They are all drivers. You're saying that because Nascar and F1 are popular that means they're different from each other? If it's Because of popularity or "high profile" that makes them different, then you totally missed the point.

a F1 or Nascar Driver can just as well become a drag racer or vice versa. They're not different because they are All drivers and they can drive those cars. Only difference is, they are driving different cars.

Until you can cite a True comparison to me then you just dug yourself a hole with your argument. Give me an example other than a porn star who sucks dicks for a living that would be comparable to a spakol therapist or massage parlor attendant. You can probably cite psp's, hookers, and escorts. but that only proves my comparison to be right.

 

I would be willing to say sir, most men would not open up what we do to their loved ones. This is a Catholic country and this business is often frowned upon by most of the populace. If these were a European country, then it might have been different but we live in RP so it is what it is. However, despite that, "hiding" our jobs doesn't mean the relationship is built on a lie. The emotions are real after all. They are just managing the people's perception on how they think it will best serve their relationship.

 

Even myself, should that time come, I want my BF to introduce me to his family along the lines of "Ma, c May. GF ko.Accounting grad na nakilala ko sa Antipolo last month." rather than, "Ma, GF ko c May. Nagjajakol cya sa spa."...both are technically true, but one statement would better server our purposes in the long run. Don't you think?

I think you call that "white lies" calling it a white lie doesn't change the fact that its lying. Wouldn't you agree?

What if there was a follow up question to what your intro was. "Oh Accounting graduate ka pala. Saan ka nagtrabaho sa Antipolo?" (insert name of banks to her question since that's the conclusion she would come up to)

What would be your answer? or your BF/ GM. - he either makes up a story. Which is to lie.

He tells the truth and that ends the probing questions. I don't know what to you would sound better. Telling a lie and piling a bunch of lies on top the lie or tell the truth. God's honest truth.

Anyone can lie to anybody but in the eyes of God well.. that's a different story.

So only the GM, the thera and God knows what the real story is

 

I would like to constructively disagree with this statement: same umbrella. Pleasuring strange men in exchange for payment

 

I think that this is being too broad. Isn't a simple massage without ES pleasuring people (man or woman) in exchange for payment? LOL

I can think and cite a few examples wherein people's services (jobs) involve around pleasuring clients in exchange for a payment. Albeit, it is not of the sexual nature, but I think that it is too one-dimensional to bucket a therapist doing ES with porn stars. But, again you're entitled to your opinion and ideas.

 

So to end this, I'll just say, to each his own. hehe

 

Thanks for the discussion.

 

Kain muna akong lunch bro.

You took what i said too literally.

You can try to distance the difference between a thera and a porn star and try to add unnecessary comparisons by citing "a simple massage is also pleasurable"

The thing that binds them together is a "nature" of the job itself. sucking penises. is sucking penises. You can try dancing around the common factor between the two thinking they are different but their not.

I don't think that's also anything to be ashamed of either to be compared to a porn star. I surely hope you have no biases towards porn stars because you try too hard to differentiate what they do with therapists who suck dicks for a living. It's the same banana. sexual in nature is sexual in nature different levels of sexuality but the same categorically.

you can paint a zebra red but in the end its still a Zebra.

 

Lastly, like I said. What if it is not an issue to the man (GM) but, it is the lady's wish to be introduced/ not as a former thera, but as someone whom the guy met at the mall or in her new place of work. Should the guy deny his lover's request, just because he wants to show that he is not ashamed of the way/circumstance that brought them together?

 

Just because she used to be a therapist (who provides ES), does that mean, that she can't re-invent herself in the future?

 

Imagine this for second, man meets thera. Man and thera hits it off, and the man courts the thera. They end up together. 2 years later, the thera quits her job and she marries that man.

They start a business together and they tell people (that they are not close to) that they met in a mall and hit it off. But to those people they trust the most, they share the real story. Is that a bad thing?

 

Or if they tell everyone the same story that they met in a mall, does that mean they are ashamed of how they met or just simply, they don't want people judging them? Especially since there are a lot of people who are quick to throw the first stone to the people they think are beneath them.

 

Anyway, I read that there were a few people who ended up marrying a thera, I would love to hear their stories and what they tell the people around them how they met and all the other things.

 

Because for me, at the end of the day, I am a believer of sleeping in the bed I made. So, I make sure, it is as comfortable f*ck! hahaha!

You missed my point entirely. If they don't care what people think. Then it shouldn't be an issue. If they are conscious about people judging them or even being ashamed of how they met then that means they still care what other people think. I'm just talking about the GM and the theras family im not even going to include other people they just met or people they aren't close with.

That's why i asked May if she thinks that more 50% of men are willing to be open to their own families and close friends if questions arise from the details of their relationship with a therapist? I am merely pointing out that more often than not, this is the Main reason they lie about it.

If GM's are willing to put aside their own egos and pride. They shouldn't be ashamed or fearful of what their own families or close friends might think. It doesn't fall on the families or friends to accept it. But at least the GM would show that he is honest and open to the relationship. Don't build that relationship on a lie.

But i doubt that many GM's are open that way. They still have those insecurities. Even those GM's that married their these theras. I base my point on what i've seen and what society dictates of these types of situations.

I'm here to point these out because i don't see these being talked about on this thread.

I find it rather amusing to your point that theras have to do have all what the pornstars do in order to be compared. You missed the complexity of my point where i was trying to say, the nature of both jobs falls under the same category. The theras don't need to be doing what all the pornstars do in order to be compared. They are under the same umbrella. Pleasuring strange men in exchange for payment.

Its like you saying taxi drivers and jeepney drivers are different. These are under the same category. Public Utility Vehicles.

 

1. I know we don't call our female friends and offer to pay them to spend time with us. But, I have on several occasions, called on my friends (female) and asked them to accompany me to a movie or eat somewhere new that I want to try out and they sometimes will tell me that they don't have enough money, so I treat them (not always. so don't get any ideas. hahaha) Is that any different from this situation? Where a guy spends some money to have female companionship?

 

On a few occasions, here in the office, I chat or talk to some of my female colleagues while they are working (and I am lounging about), that is feasible because we are in the same work environment. Now, what you said about the thera and her GM. It just so happens that the thera is on duty and her "friend/GM" wants to spend time with her. So, given that she is in her place of work (Spa) then he has to pay for the entrance/service to avail of her time to hang out with her. Is this really difficult to comprehend?

 

Now we don't know that this is the only time that they see each other or if on her time offs or after her work they also spend time. Since what they do is their own business.

 

2. If by circumstances within my control, I do end up with a thera. Personally, I will give the decision to her (thera). If she wants me to tell the world (including my family and work colleagues) that she used to be a thera, I will do it. They can all suck an orange for all I care.

 

That for me, is what love is. I am happy that I am with that person, devil may care about her past, so long as we are together and that we want to have a future together.. But again, that's just me.

 

Now, if she (the thera) does not want me to tell people about her past, then I will honor her wishes. Since it is HER PAST. She did the things she needed to do to get by. It's like meeting a former assassin, then you fell in love with that person. Is that really different? Morally speaking isn't an assassin more sinful than a prostitute? Hahaha!

 

3. Yeah, porn stars are exactly that - STARS. Meaning, they are more visible and less discreet than theras. Why? Because, for most porn stars they make more money, but at the expense of their private lives. People, can save copies of their work and jack off or watch it lustfully whenever they damn want to. As they say, what is in the media nowadays, are forever (haha andun pala ang forever).

 

So please don't compare porn stars to therapists. Because, therapists still enjoy a certain level of privacy. I know they have picture posted in their thread and all. But, the pictures posted are sexy and gives hints of naughtiness, but it is not and in NO way the same as the pictures of porn stars f*cking or sucking d*cks. If you see a picture of a thera posted here in MTC doing that, please PM me Coz' I haven't seen that one yet.. Hahahaha! Just kidding Mods.

 

Anyway, like I said. This is me throwing my 2 cents into this discussion, so I look forward to more input from my fellow GMs who may or may not share the same thoughts that I have on this matter.

 

Good day! =)

1. are you trying to be slick with how you answer? Treating your friends and paying them and giving them money to spend time with them are two different things. I don't even need to elaborate on this. Self explanatory. SMH

2. I wasn't talking about if the thera and GM decide to care what other people think. Nothing wrong with that. I am merely talking about the lying part. Where a friend or family member of the GM or even the thera decide to ask how they met or what she does for a living when they met. And the GM straight up lies. If the GM doesn't care what other people think then it should'nt matter if they tell them right?

Omitting the truth and lying are two different things. If they don't care what other people think and it should'nt be a big deal to tell the truth. Instead of making up a story when your family member or friend is asking about it. If you decide to lie, not only are you lying to yourself. But also to your relationship. That's my point.

You made your bed. You sleep in it.

3. I wasn't comparing Porn stars to the theras in their exposure to social media and the internet. I wasn't even talking about the pictures. I was talking about the details of the work and how it compares to their private lives. That's why i said BF's of porn stars are accepting of their porn star GF's because they know its work and yet they still accept them. From your explanation you make it sound like porn stars can't have private lives.

The nature of a thera's work is comparable to a porn star. Same things done, and they get paid to do it. This is my point. Now if the GM who turns out to be their BF. That's a big question on whether they all shout this Love Conquest All cliche and it shouldn't matter to other people. If it doesn't matter to other people then it should'nt be a big issue to lie to your own family about your relationship with a thera.

I got curious about this thread because I find myself in the same situation at present.

 

Kudos to my fellow gents for sharing your experiences.Likewise, to the ladies who add new angles to the discussion. I'm being schooled here and I'm learning a lot!

 

I'm currently in a relationship with a wonderful person. Similar to most of you, I'm on a steep climb trying to sustain the relationship.Napakahirap talaga even when my GF assures me that she has my heart. Just sharing my current journey with the intention to inspire and seek expert advice.Apologies for the long post.Hope it will be worh your while.

 

For me, what seems to help at this point in the relationship are 2 things- Perspective and Self Esteem (lots of it). It sounds easy but theres a lot of self awareness and inner work involved.

 

This 2017, I've 'hardwired' myself to set aside the 'drama'as much as possible. By drama i mean petty fights brought about by my insecurities.Ilang beses na ako napaiyak ng dahil dito...

 

Now, I aim for a no frills type of relationship. Hindi naman kasi dapat i complicate ang buhay.Mahirap na nga, i-cocomplicate mo pa and then you bring drama to the relationship na complicated na nga to begin with.

 

I've embraced the fact that falling in love should be a wonderful feeling, why fight it?Best to just dwell on it. As for me, I would choose it over fear,paranoia,anger and jealousy

 

I also live by the latin aphorism of CARPE DIEM. I seize the day and live in the moment while I am alive.This way, there will be no regrets.

 

This means, when I am with my GF, I make the most out of it. Love is a verb-you need to show it! ipakita mo habang magkasama kayo...Ipadama mo rin miski hindi kayo magkasama. If she genuinely loves you back, then good.

 

If she does not reciprocate or if she lies and plays you out, so be it. Yes, it will hurt- but be content that you have done your part with the best and purest of intention. Its like giving a gift with the intention of making a person happy with no conditions-and Love is a gift. If she rejects/fakes it, remember that there will be someone else more deserving of your gift. This requires a lot of self esteem to be able to accept and move on.

 

I'm still trying to work on the "ka-praningan" part. But I know that over analyzing ,worrying, thinking of what-ifs only leads to anxiety, or worse -depression.I do not want that. Tatanda tayo ng maaga niyan.

 

So how will I deal with this?While my girl does her thing at work- I keep busy in my profession and focus on my hobbies.I also sorround myself with a lot of friends. I go out and connect with people as much as possible.In other words, do not let your life revolve around each other. Both of you should grow as individuals too.The litmus test of any relationship is to allow each other to grow. Pag nawala yung isa(God forbid)- both of you have upgraded to a better version of your old self.All because you have learned so much from each other.Hindi ka nag deteriorate as a person.

 

Also, I try my best to look beyond the profession and focus on the person.Mahirap ito pero I focus on why I love her in the first place. More than the physical, its her attitude, dedication to family and your love for each other should be the one that prevails. Everything else negative that goes with her job should be insignificant.It's a challenge, but this can be achieved when you trust each other.

 

There is no perfect relationship,so I just flow with it.I focus in the NOW and graciously accept what it brings-I let it unfold because It is less complicated this way.I am a sucker for life's surprises kasi it makes you feel more human and alive.That is why we are here naman diba? Kung masaya, e di salamat and I cherish it.Kung masakit e di ganun talaga, learn from it. Pero wag mong tambayan. Ikakamamatay mo yan.

 

But you know what? This paradigm works for me because I seem to attract positive things in life-girls seem to dig this too..Most of them I hung out with, prefer the 'chill', magaan, cool, walang drama, joker and spontaneous na mahilig mang sorpresa type.

 

To begin with,may mga baggages na rin ang GF's natin na bitbit sa buhay.Wag na tayong dumagdag pa.Life is better this way. But that's just me.

 

So, sa mga in love at infatuated diyan-Love is a verb, Carpe Diem! instead of overanalyzing and delving too much on this thread - do something about it. Text her, invite her out, visit her. Seize the day! At least you tried diba?No regrets in the end.If all else fails then learn to move on and move on fast. Sayang kasi ang oras.

 

Finally, for the gents and ladies in a challenging relationship like myself- LOVE YOURSELF FIRST-do a lot of inner work- because you cannot give what you don't have.

 

Wag kang magpapa-upos na parang kandila with nothing more to give and nothing left for yourself in the end.Wag ganun!

 

Wishing you well in your journey this 2017 my fellow gents and ladies. Just let life flow and nature to take its course. Enjoy the ride and all will be good whatever happens...Namaste... ..

 

P.S. Thanks GF for inspiring me to write this.

Your situation is comparable to a BF of a pornstar. The BF knows what his pornstar GF does for a living and still accepts her. He accepts that she sucks off different men gets cunnilingus from them and other "things". But in the end he accepts that its work and not love. By the way I've tried your GF. she performs REALLY WELL. I've definitely Seized the day with her.

Happy New Year.

Happy new year ms may! I was a fan before and I am a bigger fan now. Maybe one day we will be able to shoot the breeze, sit down and talk. Maybe one day I'll get a chance to relish the May experience but until that day I comes, I will enjoy reading your posts here and the insights in the mind of, not just a therapist, but of a woman as well.

 

The challenge is finding more like you who's company we will enjoy

I can relate my friend. I used to do what you do before. You can't juggle all the balls in one sitting. You wouldn't want to disappoint your "friends" from the "stars" if they knew you were double dipping in another spa

 

Good day Mr. PPK....Sorry for the late response as I have work until 12 AM.

 

That right there is the crux the problem, that type of mindset. You have a definition of what a thera should be and it seemed quite impossible for you to think that there might be something beyond our boobs and butt. Just because this successful young person enjoys time with me, yes - I admit I am just simple therapist, you are jumping to the conclusion that he is a lonely guy who has confidence issues and could not get another girl outside, hence he has to pay me to get naked and be his sounding board? What if I tell you some of our sessions did not include ES, no need for me get naked? What if I say there were several instances where I refused to accept a tip because well, I also did enjoy having him around? Would you then believe me if I insist me and the guy had a connection? It doesn't have to be in the romantic sense, but a thera-client relationship which eventually evolved into real friendship.

 

I know we theras are not your best friends, we are not your lunch buddies, heck some of you may even deem it unthinkable that we can be real girlfriends. At the onset, we are here to give you a quick fix, a massage and masculine release. In most cases, our interactions with you remain that way, nothing else. Everything gets confined inside the 4 corners of a spa cubicle. However, there are also instances where we develop real friendships with GMs, some of us even find love, because you know what, we are real people too with emotions and aspirations, just like you do.

Happy New Year May, i hope you had a nice time with your family. Going back to your sessions where you said you did not have ES. It gives me all the more reason to confirm my suspicions. So he likes talking to you and doesn't need ES but in order for him to do it he needs to go to the spa to get a conversation from you? I'll be subtle and just say that's unconventional if you are looking for someone to talk to and you need to pay for an hour to talk to that person.

I wonder what my girl friends would think if i call them and say. "hey you free this afternoon? ill pay for an hour of your time so i could talk to you". It really makes me wonder a lot what goes on in the mind of that I.T. guy who you said is successful and doesn't have "issues".

Anyway let's move on I've made my point from all the info you gave me. I wanted to ask you this question and you have to answer honestly. Do you think when a Gm gets into a relationship with a therapist or sometimes even marries them since this coincides with the topic of the thread. Do you honestly believe that 50% ouf of a 100 of the GM's tell their families and friends the truth when it comes to how they met their therapist GF/wife?

If they don't tell them the truth. Why do you think they don't? Why would they want to lie? If they can accept their therapist GF/wife then it shouldn't be a big deal for them to tell their own families and friends that their thera GF/wife used to massage different men for a living and perform fellatio and other sexual activities in exchange for money. It would seem hypocritical for these GM's who fell in love to spout that "Love conquers all" cliche and still have the ability to lie to their own loved ones right? Because you can't build Love on a Lie in my opinion because its destined to fail.

I can probably compare these situations to how pornstars deal with their personal lives. Because I've read that most of their personal relationships are pretty open and they didn't hide who they were when they were doing porn. But realistically speaking i doubt these GM's who fall in love will be as open as the pornstars are.

 

Dude, really, you just called a young IT DIrector (from May's account), who used to date a movie star as a loser who has no confidence in himself so he needs to go to a spa to get a girl....Lol

 

Wow really....I know everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but that right there is a bit of a stretch...I wonder how many guys would dream to be in that man's shoes.

hmm.. i don't think i called him a loser. read my previous posts. i also did tell May that i don't think all her guests are losers. i was merely extrapolating from her posts and making my assumptions from there. he may have a good job and a somewhat pedestrian lifestyle but from what May said he has some issues. You can be Mr. Stepford but you may have skeletons in the closet. I may be right or i can be wrong but that's what i think

You nailed it!

 

Tandaan, si PNoy ng di pumasa kay Liz Uy

looks like Pnoy is part of the majority of single people who cant find real intimacy and is trying to simulate it by going to a spa and spend that 1 hour for a role playing sequence with a therapist. just like some lonely people on this thread

and for those people who are married and clearly are affected by the posts here. stop making excuses for yourselves by coming up with reasons like i go to a spa to get my "fix and massage". so you can't get a massage from your wife and your so called "fix". what these excuses do is only digging yourselves a deeper hole. at least own up to what you're doing and that is fooling your loved ones because you are. im pretty sure the majority of married people didn't have the balls so to speak to tell their wives that they are getting "massages" from their wives because they want to spoil themselves. if you can't tell your wife what your doing then that applies to fooling them and lying to them. but these married folks don't need to tell their wives if they want to. if they want to keep it a secret because they cant tell their loved ones. then do it at least your being honest with yourself. don't make excuses like spoiling yourself and getting your fix.

lets keep it real. you want to keep your entree and still have dessert on the side

Then, you are someone who should be emulated by all GMs.

 

If every GM is like you, then this thread wouldn't exist, and you won't devote time reading and writing here.

 

Goodday sir.

i didnt post for your benefit. you reacted to my post so i replied. i was talking originally to may until you reacted. i just put my points out there for her. because i want her to see the whole spectrum and for some people also to see the side that's not being discussed here.

Again you are making unfair assumptions. Just because the person liked what he experienced inside doesn't mean he cannot get intimacy outside. It seems to me you already have a stereotype, a set of definition for both GMs and Theras who frequent these establishments. For the sake of this conversation, let me answer your query, the IT guy I mentioned used to date a movie actress so yeah, he has no confidence issues with himself. I like to believe he genuinely liked me, proven with the fact that several of our sessions actually did not include ES. Same with the writer. He came in looking for a quick release, he got that from me but he also gained a friend who he can consult on his line of work. In these examples, both clients were able to see more of me other than my butt and boobs.

you said "used to" past tense. IT guy is lonely so he couldn't call up any girl friend and have a conversation the way he has with you? apparently he needs to pay an hour to have a conversation with someone and you need to be naked lying on a massage bed in order to achieve that? i guess you're right, he has no confidence issues then. to be honest May i see it more like someone who is enamored by your service that he probably mistakes it for a "connection". it still sounds like "eto piso, maghanap ka ng kausap mo"

Apparently, you haven't had met yet a thera you really, really liked.

ah someone who is assuming something about me basing his opinion on what i posted. quite the contrary. i've met a lot who i like but i don't make things personal. i've even gotten a lot more than once and have become friends with them but i don't make things complicated unlike some people on this thread with all their sob stories. i've probably read all the same reasons over and over its become laughable.

 

I won't look like this forever. At some point, my figure would become more motherly, my face would succumb to the ravages of time...Will the man still love me then?Will I be able to trust him not to run to a spa and get the services of the next big name young thera to satisfy his desires?

Beware May, this post of yours has been happening for a long time. You can laugh at it but what if it happened to you?

There have been men who have been going to spas for more than 20 years trying to get the next big name young thera you mentioned.

If' you're really smart, don't fall into the trap. You might already have clients who are 20 years or more into going to spas because they can't find contentment with their lives.

I've only been at this for 2 years but i don't plan on staying long. i was curious at first but its been satisfied already. i don't want to end up like some of these guys who are still going at it 10 years or 20 even years.

 

I believe your post is written with a lot of angst and prejudice sir. But that is your opinion and I respect it.

 

However, there is too much generalization which is unfair not only for the therapists but to other GMs as well. Let me give you real life examples. I have a client who is single, well-mannered, laude graduate of the top university here and currently the IT Director (and he is only 30+ years old) of a huge firm. I do not think this person qualifies as a loser, given his looks and credentials. Yet he visited the spa, got me as his therapist and now is a regular of mine. I also have another one who works as a writer, and he frequents me so he can bounce ideas on some articles that he is writing, Still another is a returning OFW who wants to venture into huge franchises (like gas station and Jollibee level huge franchises). I could probably give more but I think I have already made my point. Saying that my clientele are losers is too simplistic and reeks of arrogance.

 

Yes, the business thrives because of the sexual inclinations of men. Nobody disputes that. The fact that you have an MTC account most likely means you have the same urges. However, simply stating that it is the one-all-be-all of this industry is again too simplistic. Men come here initially for satisfaction, but a lot of them discover something else once they see past the physicality.

 

What about us? The theras? Just because we work in this profession, does it mean we are not worthy of being loved? Is doing blowjobs and handjobs everything these is to my person? Just to share, I am degree holder who graduated with honors in college. I already had a contract offers from a local bank and an out of country post. Why did I do this? I have my reasons which I would not share here but suffice to say, a lot of other factors affected my decision.Is it not possible that some clients would see beyond my pretty face and sexy figure? That one of them might actually, might possibly, appreciate me as me and not as simply an object of desire?

 

Merry Xmas sir, again, I respect your opinion. Same way I hope you would respect mine.

majority ng mga tao pumupunta ang sinasabi ko. may iba iba din namang dahilan ang iba na client. tulad ko, ako ay naiinip lang minsan kaya pumupunta ako pero hindi ako yung tipong pupunta at matutuwa ng kababawan dahil ma GFE daw si thera sa akin at maiinlove na lang ng ganoon kabilis.

hindi ko pa nga binanggit yung mga ibang mga type ng guests kasi itong mga ibang grupo ng guests na ito ay "conquest" lang ang pakay. kung nakuha na niya gusto niya makuha sayo, move on na siya sa iba.

pero lets stick to the topic of why there are guests who go to spas looking to find some semblance of intimacy in their lives that they are missing outside of the spa itself.

since you are speaking english i will speak english myself. i treat theras with the utmost respect, and i treat them professionally. but i don't make things personal. if you blur the lines between being professional and personal it gets complicated. i keep things simple. kung may halong lambingan at intimacy ang setting, i reciprocate the same things the thera does but i don't get carried away by the moment. when that 1 hour is up. we go our separate ways. hi, thank you and bye.

its like the teleserye's that you watch for 1 hour. once the actors are done with the acting. the show ends. same thing for me.

from all the examples of the clients that you have mentioned, all you did was mention their credentials. but you forgot to add the one determining detail? why did they go to the spa? let's talk about I.T. guy. you said he has looks and credentials, then why did he go to the spa? if he has looks and credentials why would he look to go and find some form of intimacy in a spa? is he struggling to have confidence to speak to women in his line of work or find women in general? you also mentioned he is a regular client. so im guessing he likes the intimacy and keeps coming back to you because he probably can't get it outside in the real world.

what about the writer? so he specifically picked you out of a random number of theras available to bounce ideas for an article he's writing? if you think about it he could have picked thera B and still be able to bounce ideas from that thera. he must be really good at picking women from a picture or a lineup for him to be able to guess that you are an educated and smart therapist without having met you before picking you.

i'm not saying all your clients are losers because each has a different reason going to the spa. but you have to be honest here. why did you think they picked you out of all the names on the lineup? is it because of your educational background? because im sure the only things posted next to your name are your vital statistics and if you got children or not. im pretty sure they picked you because of the details of the extra service that was written about you on a Field Report or your "almost" naked body pic.

let's keep it real here May, its all about sexual urges that need to be fulfilled that's the real reason men go to get "massages"

the whole concept of being in love in a place like that to me is mind boggling. that's why i came up with the conclusions i came up with because it was the main logical factor. there were other factors involved but the ones i came up with up would encompass the majority population.

i'm not saying you don't deserve to be loved but trying to be intimate with a person you hardly know for an hour would not count as something normal if you were comparing it to the outside. don't you agree? you can take this advice of mine or not but i'm going to give you one. look for a person to have a relationship with outside of this world. less complications and better chances. don't look for clients. you might find yourself disappointed in the end and you would look back to the things i told you.

Why do you guys fall for a thera? The answer is the same as why would you fall for any other girl. You found someone really pretty or interesting,you found an opportunity to spend time with that person, you got to know each other better and you realize there is so much more beneath the facade. In our case, that opportunity is the 1 or 2 hours you spend with us inside the spa. How is that different from the amount of time you put in to chase a girl you like?

 

We humans are social and emotional beings and there is no way we can predict when that stupid thing called love will strike. It can happen in almost any location and situation. Classrooms, workplace, social media...heck I even know of a couple who ended up together after literally bumping into each other while crossing a street. How serendipitous is that? Two strangers, on the same street at the same time trying to occupy the same personal space at the exact same instant? My point is, some believe it to be accidental, some point to a guiding divine providence to nudge people to their soul mates...but whatever the mechanism behind, when it happens,do not fight it. Do not overthink it. Do not let possible hurdles (like our jobs in the spa) stand in the way of something that might really be beautiful. When you fall, just let yourself fall.

Kapag hindi na nagreply ng matagal na panahon. Warning sign na yon, dapat marunong magbasa ng mga sign. ayan napala tuloy, nagaksaya ka lang ng oras, pera at iba pa para sa wala. ang magmumukhang kawawa ikaw hindi si thera. hehe

tandaan kasi puhunan ng mga thera katawan at mukha nila. may nilabas na ako tulad mo pero may bf. hindi alam ng bf na kasama ako. kung may palikerong GM may palikera ding thera heheh

sa akin ang ratio ng isang isang business only na thera sa isang thera na naghahanap ng seryosong relationship ay 10:1.

sa 10 palikera may isang seryoso. mahirap maghanap ng ganyan. kung magaling ka makaunawa ng body language at kung paano sila makipagusap sayo ay malalaman mo kung sincere sila o pabola lang.

madalas pabola lang. kaya engot engot mga nahuhulog ng hindi marunong magbasa hahaha

that shes with another.