delavega

1k/week e10 for a cefiro. that's around 250++ km

But you did mention you're staying away from all "powdered" food products right? If you're trying to interpret things literally go ahead. It's kinda hard arguing with a doorknob anyways. My point here is that, if you're not sold on food supplements like whey, hey, no one's forcing you. And yes, if you take your journal sources as your bible, go ahead. Just dont be too naive that just because you read it somewhere, it's already the absolute truth.

it is based on science, not assumptions if that's what youre saying. *lol* so it's interpretation now? i never mentioned that i was being forced on whwy. this still is a thread for opinions right? *lol* \/\/hatever you say chief... :thumbsupsmiley:

You're misinterpreting things again. You are forgetting than I am reffering to whey as in the protein isolate. The cholesterol you are seeing in the nutrition facts are by products of the other ingredients to make the whey taste better. If that's how you generalize, then you shouldn't be even touching other powdered milk products to begin with. Geesh...

I think you are the one misinterpreting it. hehe. anything to have the last word huh? *lol* funny guy. We are talking about the whey protein powder here? Is anyone here able to get the raw material itself? I always spoke about the topic itself, Whey Protein food supplement? the one used by actual people, general public/available commercially? *lol* Who ever said I take powdered milk products? I think you better get your facts straight first, The ones that are found in books and journals, before you try to lecture me.. I am just laying the facts here. So again, http://static.pyzam.com/img/thumbs/g_340/graphics/7/MJZ1634.gif :goatee: :upside:

Apparently you've been generalizing so much my friend. Well my family is into the dairy business and we have been supplying whey protein isolates (by product of cheese production) and concentrates to some of the biggest milk brands locally and abroad. these proteins are virtually cholesterol and lactose free.

first, http://www.nutritiondiscounters.com/v/vspfiles/photos/67110-1.jpg

second, Whey Protein powders cholesterol free? I beg to differ, from a medical pov. PURE Whey protein isolates, maybe! a low amount, less than 15mg per scoop. Higher than that would mean it's main component is whey concentrates. These concentrates are to oxidized to a large degree. The number goes up when they are in storage. Again, I am speaking of the common Whey protein powders. Not the RAW material used. The one sold as a supplement? like ON, mrm etc.. (SUPPLEMENTS to take or not to take?)

Now, If you produce isolates of the cleanest form, then good for you. All you need is for it to be analyzed by a lab. Sell and help people discover the safe way to whey. I guess that makes you the resident house speaker for whey.

Whey Powders:

Optimum 100% Whey Protein

Amount Per Serving

Calories 130

Calories From Fat 15

% Daily Value*

Total Fat 1.5g 2%

Saturated Fat 1g 5%

Trans Fat 0g

Cholesterol 30mg 10%

Sodium 60mg 3%

Total Carbohydrate 4g 1%

Sugars 1g

Protein 24g

Ingredients:

Protein Blend(Whey Protein Isolates, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Peptides), Cocoa(Processed With Alkali), Coffee, Natural And Artificial Flavor, Lecithin, Acesulfame Potassium, Aminogen®, Sucralose, Lactase

MRM Metabolic Whey

Amount Per Serving

Calories 120.5

Calories From Fat 22.5

% Daily Value*

Total Fat 2.5g 4%

Saturated Fat 0.75g 3.5%

Cholesterol 25mg 6%

Sodium 50mg 2%

Potassium 125mg 3.5%

Total Carbohydrates 3g <1%

Fiber 0.5g 2%

Sugars 2g**

Protein 22 44%

META-Pro™ (Ultrafiltered, Low Temperature Processed Instantized Whey Protein Concentrate, Cross Flow Microfiltered Whey Protein Isolate, & NitroZyme™ - A Proteolytic Enzyme Preparation Containing Bioactive Peptidases Derived From A Plant Source), Cocoa, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Lecithin, Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCTs), Xanthan Gum, & Sucralose.

cholesterol and lactose free (not popular, and only a number of products, not commonly used and hard to get in the pi. why? because of it's price tag)

Protein Factory CFM Whey Isolate

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*

Calories 90

Calories From Fat 0

Total Fat 0g 0%

Saturated Fat 0g 0%

Trans Fat 0g %

Cholesterol 0mg 0%

Sodium 60mg 3%

Total Carbohydrate 1g 0%

Dietary Fiber 0g 0%

Sugars 1g

Protein 21g

But I guess jacques produces something like this locally, then that's good news to everyone who would use whey.

Whey protein? Oxidised cholesterol? Geesh where did you come up with such stuff? Do you know how whey is manufactured? :upside:

I'm an RN, with MAN units. Learned about it in nursing school. Every powderized food has that fyi.

Dude, I'm not implying that you use whey and creatine to "replace" food protein sources. I'm saying is that whey they have a place in "complementing/supplementing" your diet if you have the money to burn. Now if you have a tight budget, why even bother?

 

And yes I've seen that documentary. Performance/physique enhancing drugs is an open secret on which draws a lot of controversies and shares a lot of different opinions. At the end of the day, it's a choice one has to make.

 

Going back to the topic, I highly reccomend anyone who's into weightlisting to really use whey. Why? If you do the math correctly, a 5 lb tub of whey (70-80servings) would roughly cost you between P2000-P2500 (That is if you know where to get them at these prices). A serving (20-24grams of protein) would cost between 30-40 pesos. If I equate that to chicken eggs/egg whites which cost between 4-6 pesos per piece and will roughly take at least 6-8pcs for me to get the same protein amount, I'd practically go for whey. Needless to say, it's damn more convinient to ingest suring those times I need my protein but dont have the apettite to chow down another meal. My point here is that, whey has its place on a strategic diet plan. For some it's a luxary but to me, it very well supports my protein requirements. Lastly, let me reiterate that I never adviced nor practice using whey in replacing my breakfast, lunch and supper.

ey bro. i didn't take it the way you thought i took it. chill. no one's judging anyone here. *lol* :thumbsupsmiley: You may have assumed wrong, but then again that's your pov. I said that in a jokingly manner. It was just a simple comment. "to supplement or not to supplement" is a personal choice. i agree. we all have our pov's about training and nutrition. I don't mean to step on the toes of people who take it and rely on it. (again, this goes out to the general public)

as for whey and any fad supplement, I just don't believe in taking them. With regards to money to burn, I think i would be able to save more if I were to replace partial of my meals with whey protein but I wouldn't want to. I always try to avoid oxidised cholesterol.

People who want to take their chances on supplementing to put Some Meat on their Bones!, Go ahead ad get some of those lab created stuff.. If all fails, then i'll see you back at the basics area.

sobrang konti lang. maybe once on 2 or 3 years.

I agree. However, I'd say if you really have to purchase supplements, I'd go for whey and maybe creatine in the off season. Other supplements are luxaries.

 

For the sake of discussion, "juicing" has been a very taboo issue. It's like back in the days where cosmetic surgery draws too much controversies. Today Cosmetic Clinics have been mainstream long enough for the public to welcome this approach to vanity. In gyms today, more than ever before, you see a lot of people experementing with roids for the simple reason: vanity. The only thing that bothers me here is that some of this people are too damn lazy too even research and get the proper info they need and only rely on uneducated trainers on how to juice properly and responsibly. This is where trouble begins.

 

Just my 2 cents.

hehe. I'd rather spend that money on Egg whites and chicken/turkey breast. Have you ever seen the documentary "bigger faster stronger?" It really is a must see. @ my gym, you will always see syringes on the thrash can. Temporary muscles as we naturals call it. Quite frankly, I do not see anything with juicing, if you are a professional competitor. But for vanity's sake? It's too much. (again, pasinatabi sa mga nagkakarga). anything abused leads to trouble imo. There is something the muscle magazines aren't telling a lot of people. Magic pills? there is no such thing.

Can anyone here tell me their experience with the breathing 20 squats program?

Oh well. either way, I saw people waste money, some a ton on supplements and only produce expensive pee. Lots of overpriced PT,making lifting complicated instead of simple and effective. I don't believe in it. Unless mag karga ka, pero I consider this pointless (pasintabi nalang sa mga kumakarga) unless you really plan to compete.

How do you use creatine ethyl ester is it the same as creatine mono with loading and maintenance phase?

Is the loading phase of creatine mono really necessary coz i've read some suggest going directly to the maintenance phase (no loading phase)?

 

My supps

Whey

Multivitamin

Fish Oil

Green Tea extract

For Crea Mono (the old ones), There is a need to load. Stuff like Crea10 (I don't know if they still make this) and other stuffs. then you mantain that load by taking a little less amount then the loading phase. Some people go straight to maintainance, But I don't know. I haven't tried taking creatine. I would suggest you follow the label. That's what it's for, that's why it's there. I would suggest lay off the creatine and invest in buying fresh farm eggs.

And in all honesty, the guys who always says that in the gym are often the guys who are really weak and achieve a mediocre at best type of physique.

I forgot to put this on my gym pet peeves. hehe. Guys who ask for advise what to do @ the gym, and then there's a remark "yung para tama lang yung laki, ayaw ko lumaki ng parang bodybuilder" "ano dapat i take ko para magka corte lang yung katawan ko, ayaw ko lumaki ng parang body builder"

As if building our bodies happens overnight. If you can't get to your mediocre goal, getting freakish pa kaya?

To my experience, these are the guys also who takes lots of stuff. You can see them always shaking their whey protein bottle. Taking pills before and after workout. Pill whores.

But about the topic, imo, if you want to build a model body, circuit training is the path for you + high intensity cardio every morning.

 

ganyan talaga,, yaan mo na friend.. masakit lang yan sa umpisa.. kasi isip mo,, what could have been..

pero dont na.. enough na yun, tinulungan lang nia sarili nia, kasi alam nia kung san lang yun papunta..

di naman madali lahat eh.. marami sanang plans eh, kaya mejo mataas ang rate ng pain..

nakakatuwa kasi pag may challenge eh,, masaya,, iba ang character mo.

 

hindi naman hahayaang mag-end kung kaya pa eh, at gusto pa.. pero since wala naman kumontra,, pareho nio itong gusto.. to move on..

so enjoy. we will all become a different person after this..

much cautious.

wise.

doubtful..(sometimes)

 

alam mo ba kung anong masakit sa part nia.. (kung naramdaman mong minahal ka nia..)

is yung, hindi nia nasabi kung gano kasakit na iwasan ka,, na hindi mo naman siang tinratong iba(mpa)..

yung i-let go ka nia.. kahit na sayo lang sya totoo at masaya..

yung... hindi nia siguro masabi-sabi na... "sana akin ka na lang"..

 

pero wala na siguro kayong communication.. wag mo na rin sia usapin,, kasi masakit yun kung act ka na concern samantalang,,

hindi mo nga sinasandya ano? pero nasaktan mo sia. kasi nga 3rd party sia eh. sakit yun. lalu na kung wala nangyari..

 

hay...

wawa naman kame. joke!

 

gudnyt.. keri yan brad! be strong for her. para totally maka-move on na sia talaga..

 

hay...

 

best friend ko... in love sa guest nia.. paksyet. tatakot ako, kasi,, may gf na din eh.. badtrip naman kasi, ang kulit din nung guest eh,,,

lapit nang lapit,, nag-confess pa na love nia bestfriend ko... tapos sasabihin na wala naman i-na-ask na commitment si guest..

eh bakit ganun,, sinabi pa? alam naman niang special na sia sa bestfriend ko... tapos,, sasabihin,, walang expectations..

tapos sasabihin,, "sana una kitang nakilala" para san yun? pampakilig?

di naman nakakakilig yun eh,, nakaka gago.. paksyet eh, dami effort pa ginagawa,, tas sasabihin, kasi like nia tumulong..

tapos sasabihin,, "special ka saken eh.,, ngayon lang ako naging happy ng ganito"

tas sasabihin.. "alam ko hindi tayo para sa isat isa.." eh bat kaya sinabi pa..

tapos pagnagdate naman,,parang sila na.. tapos si bestfriend ko.. tulala... wala gana work,, kasi feel nia magisip kung ano nafefeel nia..

ka-cheapan,, pero.. sige moment nia yun,, dinaanan ko yan,, sya naman muna ngayon..

pero sana,, mas-wise sya,, kasi nakita nia ako nuong unang panahon,, sana natuto sia sa aken..

pero lagi nia sabi "iba sya ke _ _ _ _ L..."

ano yun?? pinagtatanggol nia guest nia,, na hindi naman sya kayang mahalin ng buo?

anu yun????????? baket ganun? inaaning nia lang bestfriend ko eh

 

hoy!! kung nababasa mo tong ngoyop ka.. sabi ko sayo,,, ipakakapon kita.. wag mo lokohin at paasahin yang bestfriend ko!

kapal ng peslak mo jan ah? gf mo nga niloko mo eh! paglalaruan mo pa yang bestfriend ko..

ang KARMA anjan lang ha? sana alam mo yan, kaya please lang.. wala nang special moment,, kung papahumalingin mo lang yan loka-loka kong friend

wag mong pagsamantalahan yang kahinaan nung tao, alam mo naman mga pinagdaanan nian sa buhay, kaya please lang,, please..

32 kana.. ha?? sana naman mejo maayos kang magisip.. sana bilang nakakatanda ano? alam mo ang dapat na gawin..

puchang gala.. hindi ko ata kakayanin maloko ang bestfriend ko.. pera-pera lang kasi dapat eh.. t#ang%na kasi.. mahina tong bestfriend ko eh,,

sumusunod sa GALAW ko... syet.

 

waaaah! bakit hindi natin matutunan.. sa experience ng iba? bakit kelangan maranasan pa?

kung kelan namang nakaahon nako.. unti-unti naman nalulunod tong bruhang to.. naku!!!!!!!!!!!

 

dko mabasag helmet nia.. patong-patong... matatagalan pa bago matauhan..

 

:cry:

Sometimes, people have to learn the hard way. Mas lalo mo sawayin ang friend mo, mas lalo siyang mag gi-give in sa guest niya. There are somethings that are only learned trough painful experiences. Looks like nagawa mo nanaman lahat ng magagawa mo eh. The important thing is you didn't give up on your friend and hindi ka nagkulang sa paalala.

what exactly can creatine do for me? i mean the product isn't cheap. will it be worth it? (i'm also avoiding weight gain.)

Depends on what kind of creatine you use. Creatine monohydrate converts to creatinine increasing kidney workload. Although this is considered as a myth, It is not a myth in medical science. Some effects of creatine is Increased strength, Muscle gains in a way that your muscle would tend to hold water, thus increasing muscle size. Side effects are bloat and water retention. Up and down weight gain.

Kre-Alkalyn however promises a zero side effect creatine. It is buffered and is alkaline eliminating the conversion of it to creatinine. It is absorbed diretly to the muscle. It comes in purple capsules. I saw people do good on this one. But then again, only temporary gains.

Creaine Ethyl Ester is the new generation creatine. No more up and down weight gain and promises permanent gains. I haven't seen anyone using this yet. The good thing about this creatine is that most of it already comes with Glutamine, the product that increases hardness of the muscle.

I had minimal experience using supplements. The closest thing and only thing I had to a supplement is AnimalPak. If I were you, I'd spend more on Eggs and Chicken Breast.

Try also to watch "Bigger, Faster, Stronger" in order to learn the truth about supplements. I know a lot of people will react to this, especially the ones who are dependent on supplements/depending on supplements for gains but imo, nothing beats a good nutritional program and working like a slave, Eatling like a King, Sleeping like Corpse.

para saakin, true selfless love conquers all. whatever status you have. whatever job, bisaya or not. to love one being is love whatever person she was, whatever person she is now, and whatever person she is to become.

if everything fails, then try again. there is no failure except in no longer trying. if both of you don't agree on trying again, then true love isn't there anymore or it wasn't there in the first place. but that's just my opinion.

it takes a real man to realize true love that comes from the heart compare to love that comes from your penis or pocket. our heart figuratively speaking makes decisions the mind knows nothing of.

saakin 1 year, ok naman. I just restart everyday pagkagising ko.

Oversized lahat saakin. HSF, Exhaust, Inlet, Video Card. My hdd naka tapat sa inlet na oversived fan. So far, ok pa sila.

Mga bro,, san ba maganda bumili ng laptop? saka anung brand ang pinaka ok,,, ung matibay,,, fast performance....TIA...

You can never go wrong with ASUS. Dell and HP computers, mahal pero sirain. Hardware issues pa. I had 2 of chose. sakit sa ulo. Get the extended warranty. You'll be glad you did.

If you have a credit card, Get a sony Vaio under the paylite. matibay pati keyboard ng vaio.

how much ba damaga sa eurotel las pinas? may nakaka alam ba? post niyo naman. ayaw magbigay rates over the phone eh. 4 hours? do they still offer that 4 hours anytime of the day?

Para sa mga matitigas ang ulo at gusto pa din mag psp, this might be a good read:

http://overdose.ph/index.php?topic=797.450

It's like a thread about PSP's/MP's with STD's/STI's.

yun lang talaga ang problema. battery! mauuna masira ang battery sa phone. I see it as a disposable phone. mura lang eh. maski every year ka magpalit, pwede.

paano ba ang time in and time out nila dito? by the hour or yung standard na check in 12pm, check out 1pm? parang hotel setting? cause this is still a hotel diba? or front lang nila yung hotel?

ako nagkaka kalyo pa din maski may gloves pag back workout. I find it hard to grip also. Pero pag hindi naman masyadong heavy, you can wear gloves, hindi ka kakalyuhin sigurado. pag heavy, the gloves help, but i still expect a kalyo.

maganda talaga yugn old school ng harbinger, yung leather lang. great cushioning and it's never bent/put out of place. kasi they replaced it na eh. napaka nipis na nung leather nila. I got the one witht he wrist wraps, it's always out of shape.