truellusion

my advise is if she dosent like you then leave her alone even if your a if you are a businessman or a filipino chinese businessman, kahit mayaman ka pa at nakatira pa sa magandang bahay sa multinational o merville,

kung ayaw sa yo di wag, ganito kasi ang love, walang anumang kapalit diba.

there's no real formula on winning their heart.

dati kala ko pag may itsura, guapo, may dating, simpatiko eh uubra na basta sincere ka at pinapakita mong pagmamahal. kaso it didn't work...

kaya sabi ko pera pera ang labanan dito...

ngayon kahit mga mayayaman pala nahihirapan din sa mga babaeng ito...

so wala talagang exact formula or pattern to win these kind of ladies...

naalala ko tuloy yung sabi sakin ng isa sa kanila... sabi niya "masarap may bf kasi may nagaalaga sayo, maynagaalala, may nagmamahal. pero gusto ko pagmagkaka-bf ako yung hindi ko dito nakilala. mas maganda yun di niya alam, di rin naman ako mag stay dito ng matagal."

siguro it's up to them talaga, bawat isa may ibat ibang preference.

pero sa tingin ko nahihirapan sila ibigay yung commitment and trust pag sa work nila nakilala yung lalake.

just passing by

makulay parin mga kwento dito ah...

graduate nako dito...

@X3ME15 i notice you're good at words, magaling ka magsalita, i like it. hehe

good luck nalang sa mga naiinlove parin sa kanila.

but if you can, why not look for decent girls? it'll be a win-win situation, just don't expect that they're as pretty as your favorite MPA/PSP/GRO.

beauty is just superficial, look deep into someones heart rather than bearing on these girls spoiled attitudes.

but having been there i can say these girls have hearts too. just that they are afraid to gamble, trust, and commit to those people na nakilala nila sa club or from their work.

What do you think the real score is? Would you still trust her? Is she worth it?

She's really worth it dude. overlooking the past you can see clearly na ang taong ito ay minsan nangarap makaalis sa ganong work and what makes her "worth it for you" is NATUPAD niya yung pangarap niya wala na siya dun sa ganong work niya, long before you came into her life.

tinupad niya yun para sa sarili niya not para sa karelasyon. you can conclude that she has a strong personality, hindi niya kelangan ng lalake as inspiration para huminto sa ganitong work.

and if now she's sharing this with you siguro dahil gusto niya maging totoo and ngayon nangangarap ulit siya... nangangarap siyang magkaroon naman ng guy who will trust her, accept her and take her...

this is the kind of girl who dream t of something and tried to reach it, and became successful on it. tulad ng sabi dito mahirap umalis sa ganitong work lalo na kung dito malaki kita ng girl. pero napagtagumpayan ng girl mo yung temptation na yun.

and you already said it, she's almost wife material now. bakit ganyan tingin mo sa kanya in spite of her past? kasi she's dreaming of becoming that kind, to be a "wife". and you should be proud of her, kasi you have a woman who will continue on dreaming to be a better person than she was before. :thumbsupsmiley: we are what we dream of...

I really feel pity for them bro, they didnt know whats wrong and right. :thumbsdownsmiley:

it can only be right when there's no other parties involved. no third party on the guy's side and there should be no third party on the girls side too.

then they can start helping, understanding each other, no one sided effort that might wear out the other person and spoil the other. kayo rin naman makakaalam kung may patutunguhan yung effort nyo. lalo na kung nagtutulungan nga.

but who am i to say this? i have my own issues too...

basta at least meron nang isang happy ending...

Di na daw sya balik work niya? Sana...

 

Mas ok pa nga sa province kesa dito.

walang kasiguruhan sagot niya. sabi niya lang di niya alam kung babalik siya. so i guess babalik siya di lang alam when...

pero yun rin naisip ko sir, sana nga dun nalang siya kung san siya safe. kaso never ko na siya makikita ulit...

Lam bro bkit di na lang tayo mag chat? Pagdating ko sa office lagi ko inuunang icheck to.

 

Biro lang. Sana lang Bro magbago isip ng GRO mo. Tingin ko sa kanya dahil bata pa, at bata pa mag icip..

 

Wala pang plano na pang LONG TERM. Pro guide mo pa din, bka mgbago isip.

 

 

Sakit sa puso kasi basahin mga kweto dito .

hehe kala ko seryoso ka magchat tayo. LOL.

sa totoo lang di ko alam kung ano nasa isip niya. oo bata pa bro mag 18 palang this next month bday niya. pero umuwi siya sa province nung sunday. nagka text kami di niya daw alam kung babalik pa siya.

wala pa siyang 1 year pero napagod na ata, gabi gabi inom. sabi ko nga sa kanya mas kampante naman ako ng nasa family nya siya kesa sa work niya, kahit di ko na siya makita sa club basta safe sa province with her family.

naalala ko nung bagong kilala palang kami bagong dating siya dun (1 week palang). after ng work magtetext siya nasusuka, nahihilo, masakit ulo dahil sa beer. ngayon sanay na di na nagrereklamo kung nakailang bottles siya. kawawa kasi bata pa nasanay na uminom gabi gabi para sa guest. ladies drink pa nila hindi yung may cali, talagang 1 bottle lights.

kaya nga nagustuhan ko siya kasi bago palang di pa tumatagal sa ganong work di pa gaano polluted mind. kaya gusto ko siya makaalis habang maaga. pero parang ayaw niya makinig. the more i speak about that the more hindi siya nakikinig. pero kung tamang kulitan, bolahan, asaran, kwentuhan lang topic namin mas ok sa kanya. pagnagiging seryoso na ang usapan tahimik na...

kaya ngayon cool nalang ako sa kanya. no need to be serious and talk about getting her out of that work. siya narin may sabi, enjoy nalang namin time namin with each other.

siguro nga baka dumaan lang ako sa buhay niya at dumaan rin siya sa buhay ko. ngayong di niya alam kung babalik siya i just text her na if ever maalala niya ko or nasa manila siya just let me know and i'll be glad to meet her at makipag kumustahan. (haha parang ang tagal nawala samantalang kaaalis palang nung sunday. EMO putek).

...Ewan ko bro, di ko magets sinasabi mo. Parang maliit na tanong pinalaki mo.

 

For me once na you love her, get her out there. then forget all the past especially her work.

 

Ewan ko Bro diko kaya mag ka GF ng dun pa din sa ganong work...

yup sir yun na yung point ko di natin kaya ipakilala sila sa mga taong malapit satin as long as they work there.

so do we have to lie about their work? YES only if ONLY they are STILL working there. NO if they're no longer working there, no need to lie just don't/never open it up to your friends, relatives, etc. yun ang ibig kong sabihin, just keep it a secret. keeping a secret doesn't necessarily mean you're lying. you're just hiding something they never thought of asking.

pero siguro eto yung maliit na tanong na pinalaki ko. (maybe inespecify at elaborate ko lang)

pero tanong is kung titgil sya e maraming jugement ang haharapin nya?

mali kasi yung point niya na pagtitigil mas maraming judgement. MAS mababawasan nga yung judgement pag aalis sa work kesa kung mananatili or tatagal pa siya sa ganong work. diba?

Bro kaya nga may tinatawag tayong WHITE LIES eh meaning NAGSINUNGALING ka pra sa ikakabuti na lng ng SITWASYON.

 

Pag sinabi mo sa PARENTS mo na dti sya GRO/MPA syempre dina magiging mganda ang dating sa knila non.

sir i am not contradicting the thoughts when i said ano gusto mo magsinungaling at maglihim o maglihim lang? you can reread the whole idea of it on the sample i have given.

pag DI MO SINABI DI KA NAMAN NAGSISINUNGALING. posible? yeah.

di naman nila tinatanong ang DATING WORK eh. diba? ang usual na tanong ng parents ano work nyan (present)? so naglihim kalang (sa past work) di ka nag lie?

magsisinungaling kalang (white lies) kapag andon pa siya sa industriya. pero kaya nga natin sila iniincourage umalis na sa work bago natin pakilala sa parents, para maiwasan ang pagsisinungaling at para narin sa ikabubuti nila.

pero tanong is kung titgil sya e maraming jugement ang haharapin nya?

sir di naman nawawala ang judgement lalo na kung galing sa ganitong work. pero male-lessen panga pag umalis siya. mas malaki ang impact kung andon pa siya sa work niya.

think of it this way, papakilala mo gf mo (na dating gro) sa family, parents, friends, relatives mo. siempre iintroduce mo siya having a work na kung ano meron siya ngayon, hindi kung anong work niya dati. so kung saleslady na siya ngayon or service crew ok lang yun wala naman masama eh. ilihim mo nalang yung past.

pero kung pakilala mo siya as gro talagang mali at mahirap nila tatanggapin. gagawin mo nun magsisinungaling kanalang for your gf.

which is better?

magsinungaling at maglihim o

maglihim lang?

Only give guidance, kahit bata hindi dapat i-spoon feed. People need to learn to stand up on there own. They'll appreciate it more. Pag binigyan mo nang binigyan, hindi mo malalaman kung kaya lang siya nandyan dahil sa pera mo o para sayo. You'll also learn just like aim, how much she wants it. Not every one has a good heart and masakit maloko. You have a good intention, and meron mga tao na will try to take advantage of your good intentions.

tama ka sir. di dapat lahat ibibigay, yung mga hindi niya lang kayang gawin sa sarili, yung mga kaya nya naman wag na natin ibigay. as a respect narin na we trust that they're capable of doing something right for themselves din.

remember, lahat ng labis ay nakakasama, kahit ang labis na pagbibigay at pagmamahal.

ika nga ni imurangel kanya kanyang oras yan.

maybe she's just buying her time and not in a hurry to get out of this kind of job...

oh well... we can't force people to do what we want them to do.

so i might just try to be cool on this and not be too serious about her. :hypocritesmiley:

Siya mismo! nag work siya sa isang fast food chain as service crew.

 

Ofcourse that time ako tlga nagbibigay ng needs nya, like house rent and the other bills and food.

 

Naregular siya sa work nya then after two years gusto na sya ipromote as EMPTY.

 

But 3RD YEAR COLLEGE lang ang natapos nya kylangan pag mapopromote college grad dapat.

 

So pumasok uli sya sa COLLEGE i support her tuition. tlgang MATYAGA. Ntapos ang college.

 

Napromote na siya as EMPTY then STORE MANAGER. Now i only giving her a little help na lng.

 

Syempre nung mga time na nag aaply siya, di nya na sinasabing dati siyang GRO!

 

Di na dapat sabihin yun! Magbabagong buhay na nga tapos uungkatin pa yun db bro?

 

Nag TYAGA din tlga yung GF ko. Nagtulungan kami at tlga namang pinatunayan nya sakin na kaya nya umalis sa

 

pagiging GRO! Kaya naman wala na ko balak iwan siya.

 

Kung may GF ka GRO/MPA magtulungan din dapat kayo. kasi kadalasang naririnig ko yung babae sumama sa

 

matandang may pera, bumalik sa CLUB o MASSAGE PARLOR, di na din nakayanan ng LALAKE dahil si

 

BABAE pinapakain BUONG ANGKAN niya, gs2 maluho ang LIFESTYLE.

salamat sir. di ko maintindihan mararamdaman ko sa kwento mo, nalulungkot ako sa tuwa...

tuwa na dahil possible pala to and that 1% chance is visible in your story and not just a fairy tale i long to hear in this thread. sa wakas meron nang success story.

nalulungkot kasi not all girls can/will do this. lalo na my gro when she told me "andito ako para sa family (parents/kapatid) ko si god lang may alam bakit nagtatiyaga ako dito, kaya intindihin mo sana ako." feels like she closed her door to other opportunities...

gusto ko siya alisin sa ganitong industriya habang bata pa, bago pa at wala pa isang taon sa ganitong work. i told her she can do call center, ayaw bobo daw siya mag english. i ask her mag saleslady, service crew, ayaw din no comment lang. insane me to even offer her to continue her studies i'll help her. pero tinanggihan niya.

sa totoo lang mahirap tulungan ang taong ayaw magpatulong. lalo na kung nangangarap siya na andun yung greener pasture sa industriya na yan. hindi niya naisip na kapag tumagal pa siya dyan lalong mahihirapan siyang i set aside ang past niya as GRO pagdating ng future. siguro naiisip niya lang "may pera dito..."

i admire your gro gf. she has the will... the WILL that most of these girls are afraid to try.

pero not all naman are afraid. may nababasa ako dito sa MTC na may mga girls na nakakagraduate, naghahanap ng work, naging professional and kinalimutan na ang past. maybe ganon lang si gro ko. she want to do things on her own without my help, kasi she once told me "bata pako mahaba pa time ko darating din ako sa mga pangarap ko..." at "hindi ako hihingi ng tulong sayo or kahit kanino, habang kaya ko pa..." i respect her decision. i just wish mapagtagumpayan niya kung ano pa ang mga darating sa kanya.

Napaka lungkot ng mga Istorya dito.. May GF ako, 4 years na kami this last march. Dati sya GRO pro nung naging kami

 

nagbago sya pinatunayan din nya na kaya nya kumawala sa ganong work. Now shes a STORE MANAGER in a fast food

 

chain, Some of the GRO, and MPA's should prove to us men na mahal nyo din ang sarili nyo para samin.

 

Sa relationship dapat pareho nagtutulungan hindi pwedeng kaming mga LALAKE lng ang kikilos.

 

Turuan nyo din ang sarili nyo na WAG MAGPAKALUNOD SA GANITONG work.

 

Gusto niyo kasi yung EASY MONEY, hindi ganon ang totoong buhay..

ang ganda ng nangyari sa inyo sir. 1 of the few successful relationship on this... sana ganito sana...

you're right sa sobrang dali ng pera sa ganitong work nasanay na sila at nahihirapan iwanan ang trabahong ganito. tayong mga nagmamahal sa kanila ang gusto lang naman natin ay ang pinakamabuti para sa kanila.

pero wala tayong magagawa sila ang dapat gumawa ng hakbang para sa sarili. mahal natin sila pero dapat rin nilang bigyan pagmamahal at pagpapahalaga ang sarili. kung kaya naman nilang humanap ng ibang work bakit hindi? pero minsan iba ang hinahanap nila... yung lalake na kaya nilang maging regular guest or kaya silang suportahan. kaya lalo tayo nasasaktan sa ginagawa nila.

kung gusto naman may paraan, kung ayaw maraming dahilan...

do i dare say to stand your ground and not let your emotions drive you towards these women? hell no. i for one shouldn't talk... all i am saying is that if you do decide to submit - be ready to experience the pain and the hurt that will inevitably stab you from every direction imaginable.

well said sir. experience really is the best teacher. 3 years is an awfully long time, love, and money invested in a relationship. sad to hear that that 3 year relationship is gone, must have been painful going through and getting over it specially being left for some rich DOM... money really is a factor here.

binata, kaya lahat ng oras ay naibigay naman sa akin. ako lang ang nagkokontrol ng oras ko dahil hati ang pagkatao ko. sabi nya ay tanggap naman nya ang trabaho ko. at hindi nya naman ako pipilitin umalis, nais nyang ako mismo ang magsabi sa sarili ko na tama na at gusto ko nang magpahinga. walang pressure syang ibinibigay sa akin at nagpapasalamat ako para dito. dahil hindi din naman ako handang iwan ang lahat ng nakakapagsuporta sa pangangailangan naming pamilya upang pagtuunan itong nararamdaman namin. dahil maaga pa upang magdesisyon.

 

sa pagdaan ng panahon na ako'y nagsisilbing isang attendant. naigiba na lahat. hindi ko na rin alam kung paano ba ang maging isang anak, kapatid, kapitbahay dahil ako ay sobrang wala nang oras na ginagalawan. isa pang hindi ko na alam sa tagal nang panahon na ko ay walang nobyo. hindi ko na rin alam kung paano ba ang maging isang girlfriend. ano ano ba ang mga dapat iniisip o ginagawa ng magnobyo lang. kaya hindi ako matahimik. dahil baka mali lahat ng sinasabi o nagagawa ko.

mukhang in love ka madam... this is the other way around, si girl ang nahuhulog sa lalake... kung si babae naman ang na in love, will she try her all to compromise her job for the guy, and leave this job that supports her family? please keep us posted. i wanna know how this would end, or how you would end it...

in a relationship it takes two to make it work, di maaaring si girl lang in love di maaaring si guy lang. so you have to be so sure that this guy really loves you, hindi naglilibang lang... pero sapat ba ang pagibig lang sa ganitong klaseng complikadong relasyon? and by the way napaka-pulido ng tagalog mo...

you can say NO or YES but the truth is it's harder to decide when you get there...

the relationship is very much possible but the question is "how long will it last?" and "why should it last?"

it's easy to fall when you're attracted, hard to make it last once you realized this is not the relationship you wanted yourself to be...

i like your last question. there's a lot of thinking to put there. why should it last?

kahapon galing kami sa club. i table one of them and she said she's not replying to my texts because she knows i had a relationship with (the one who broke my heart)... and she thought it's not right to get in touch with her when i'm... i told her "bakit hindi, i'm just being friendly". and she asked me a very familiar question "seseryosohin mo ba ang babaeng nakilala mo dito?" honestly i dunno what's the answer to this question and why should i start and make a lasting relationship with a GRO...

having an almost perfect SO (pretty, smart, and decent) and being a half perfectionist i dunno why i'm in this kind of situation. all i know is i've fallen (to the GRO) and this might be temporary but i could care less, i just want to feel this feeling now...

now excuse me i'm half drunk while saying this. i know it's selfish and as Freddy Mercury said "too much love will k*ll you". this might k*ll me and end me losing both. but hell i'm persistent sticking my ass still in this complicated situation. heh, we're mad here all of us who's involved in this topic. :upside: i know this wont last but here i am getting myself involved...

 

My advise, don't continue with the relationship. I kinda disagree with true illusion that its ok to be the number 2. Everyone deserves to be number 1 and if a person can't give you that theres no reason to stick with a romantic relationship.

 

Be strong, you deserve what other so called "normal women" deserve. You are not less of a person because of your line of work. The problem is that most if not all MPAs/PSPs/GROs believe that they don't deserve the best in life because alot of men treat them like crap.

 

I personally look up to these type of women because if I was in their situation I'm sure that I wouldn't be able to do the things that they do. And for that I can say that you guys are better than I am.

you know Tranz i agree with your mindset. but it's sad to say that in this harsh reality there's always those that no matter what they do they still end up as being 2nd. be it in any contest, relationship, job, businesses, etc. there's always that number 1 and next to it those 2nd rate...

that's what i'm trying to imply when i said not to insist to be the no.1 when that place is already taken. she can either be contended being no.2 or find someone who will treat her as his no.1.

and yeah i feel the same on ImurAngel's posts. seems like she's saying something but believes the opposite of what she say. it's a sad sad thought really that these girls think they don't deserve to be someone important, when they speak they feel like being man-handled by everyone's POV that they have to act defensively. but i'm not here to argue with it either, she has her point.

and yeah never judge them. some of these girls may have a choice not to do this kind of work. but being friends with them i learn that most of them are pretty probinsianas who's trying their luck here in the city (manila). no one can blame them, some stay in this industry and some moved-on and find some decent job. but this doesn't make them less of what they are. never force them to kiss you when they don't want to. never tell them to do things that are not comfortable for them. yes you paid them, but not to make them feel bad about themselves. having friends with them earned my respect for them. and even though one of them broke my heart that doesn't mean i should get even and make bad deeds to all of them. they're girls too, vulnerable and emotional, though they learn not to show it because of their job.

malungkot talaga tong topic na to, di mo alam kung san ka siside. merong tama, may mali, may mga personal na dahilan at malabong mangatwiran. pero sakin lang iwasan natin makatapak ng iba kahit guest/client, or gro/mpa/psp, pantay pantay ang respeto wag natin tatapakan at hahamakin ang kapwa. at higit sa lahat wag natin sisirain ang buhay ng iba.

I am so confused at this time. Hindi ko talaga ma-getz ang sinasabi, pardon me sir, siguro nga magulo lang ang isip ko pa at para maintindihan ang point. Anyway, thanks for the advice.

what i'm trying to say sis is ok lang maging number two basta wag mong piliting maging number sa buhay niya at hayaang makasira ng pamilya.

pero kung nagdesisyon na siyang iwan ang pamilya nya bago siya nainlove sayo go for it. pero kung ganyang klaseng tao siya wala karin kasiguruhan kung kelan ka niya iiwan kasi si no.1 nga at family niya nagawa niyang iwan, may probability na ulitin niya yun sayo.

pero ang buhay ay wala naman talagang kasiguruhan kaya enjoy mo nalang whatever happens iwan ka man or not, basta wala kang tinatapakang iba wala kang regrets at hindi mo mararamdamang nakarma ka. :thumbsupsmiley:

simple lang naman, don't do to others what you don't wanna do unto you because what goes around comes around.

I am so confused. . . . . It was good I entered this thread. Meron kasi po akong suitor-client and has a family, and the fear of the same fate would happened to me ay 'yun po ang kinakatakutan ko as you said sir trueillusion.

 

I can bear the conscience but the fear na maaaring mangyari sa akin 'yun iwan niya ako ay 'yun ang di ko kakayahin. Also, natawagin akong homewrecker ay medyo masakit din, and sort of karma ay iniisip ko din.

 

So here I am, and trying to be strong and not to get involved at all. Trabaho lang naman ito.

you know, no one is in the right position to tell you what you should/must do. you just do it. based on your statement it seems like you're falling for this client/guest of yours, but you're trying hard not to get involved because you know it's not right.

nothing wrong on being his number two. what's wrong is when you try to be the number one and yet you know that place in his life is already taken. just be cautious on your decision and try not to break some hearts (and family). you might end up breaking your own heart in this process but at least you tried not to hurt others and your conscience is clean.

it's a lot easy when you know that the guy left his family because that's his decision, that's what he want, he's tired of his relationship. never be the reason of a guy breaking his family, that will be a big mistake.

but who knows? it's also a big mistake picking a guy who abandon his family. because you can never be sure when he'll get tired of you too? just just be happy with what you will have for now. nothing is permanent really. only a few can be happy with what they have. happiness is often found on your journey, not destination.

basta alam mong wala kang tinatapakan, kahit dumating yung time na iwan ka niya never have regrets. charge it to experience, learn from it and be wiser next time. what don't k*ll you makes you stronger.

Now go girl and enjoy life! Cheers.

mahirap magsalita ng tapos pagdating sa ganitong bagay lalo na kung mahal na mahal mo yung tao. but the more you love him/her the more na masakit sayo ang nangyari...

He totally left his wife and children for me.

There's a third party. she said it herself clearly that he left his wife for her.

and she justify it with her recent post by being guilty with what happened.

though wala pako anak, i feel for the kids too...

pero the damage has been done and they cannot turn back time. forgive yourself, just make the most out of your relationship with him, be happy, enjoy it. kasi you'll never know WHEN he will do the same to you once he got tired of your relationship...

mas mahirap ata yung 1 month without sex and masturbation...

Now we are happily with him with one child. He totally left his wife and children for me.

Uhm very striking line... how could you ever find happiness in doing such thing? hindi ba kawawa naman yung mga batang iniwan niya? and oo nga naman, kung nagawa niya talikuran yung una niyang resposibilidad anong assurance mo na hindi karin niya iiwan?

Masaya

gusto ko yang song na yan. old school EMO. haha! akala ko dati sa college crushes to applicable mas astig at sakto pala to sa inlababo sa mga MPA/PSP/GRO, mas parang droga ang tama nila sa amin... kesa sa mga normal relationship. droga, kasi mali at masama sa sarili, pero masarap at nakaka-addict kayo...