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  1. Comment ko naman kay vheRR:

     

    Judging from your posts, shared articles, and even your signature which includes the quote "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt.", it appears that you feel that people who believe in God are somewhat foolish, or borrowing the words of Mr. Russel, "the stupid are cocksure".

     

    However, what you have to appreciate (although not necessarily accept) is that, we who believe in God, are fully cognizant of and accept the facts ...

    ... that we have no empirical and physical evidence to show you that God exists, but we go on believing anyway.

    ... that for some people like yourself and Mr. Russel, this belief may make us look foolish or even stupid, but we go on believing anyway.

    ... that believing in Him and "TRYING OUR DARNDEST BEST" to follow His ways may put us at a survival dis-advantage, but we go on believing (and TRYING) anyway. (TRYING being the operative word!)

     

    You see, to me and many others, we feel that it's off the mark when others say that people who believe in God are "cocksure". Please understand that God fearing people are never really sure in the sense that we have black and white proof, we just simply believe even - without hard direct proof. Please understand that holding on to this belief is a life long adventure. You see, this belief is often shaken whenever disaster strikes or during serious crisis in health, family, or relationships occurr. During these trying times, keeping this faith and belief in His presence and goodness despite all the overwhelming arguments to the contrary is a extremely difficult and self-inflicted burden.

     

    Self inflicted because it is a choice. We can choose to carry the faith and continue to put ourselves at a survival dis-advantage and be branded by people as "stupid, cocksure". Or, take the easy way out and take the route of "the intelligent", and eventually rule out God in our lives.

     

    Maybe you'd agree with me that the former, although you may consider it as "stupid", is the more difficult choice. So, even if you don't share this belief, you must at least appreciate and have a healthy respect for the difficulty and burden that people take on in this life long challenge of believing. I do hope that you are not as arrogant as Mr. Russel, by not being able to appreciate the depth and difficulty level of what God fearing people are trying to achieve.

     

    When their faith is shaken and their belief is put in question, and then someone puts forth the option to believe in MAN BEING A SOCIAL ANIMAL and erase God from the formula - this becomes such an enticing escape option (was this what happened to you?) You see, for a lot of us, we feel that we are lucky that when these faith crisis moments come, there are people who miraculously comes in to help us or at least encourage us, and pick us up and cheer us back to fighting form.

     

    So you see, we not "cocksure", rather the word to describe us is "GRATEFUL", and perhaps even "HAPPY".

  2. Good PM, Skitz.

     

    If I may, just wanted to put in perspective your comment: "Without a MORAL ANCHOR (the God moral code), we are LOST." ; vis-a-vis what VheRR seems to be saying - I was doing some backreading.

     

    I also read the links of VheRR:

    Scientist Finds the Beginnings of Morality in Primate behavior

    Great Apes Know They Could Be Wrong, Research Suggests

    Empathy Partly Based On Genes, Mouse Study Shows

     

    I think what he's saying is that he agrees with you that man should have a MORAL ANCHOR, but he does not agree with you (and me for that matter) that this MORAL ANCHOR has to come from a divine being.

     

    The articles and quotes in his signature : "We are survival machinesrobot vehicles blindly programmed" seem to suggest that it's in people's genes to have a MORAL ANCHOR, and therefore does not need God for this.

  3. By all means, kiss! Start nice and slow, and proceed depending on how she responds. :D

     

     

    Very sound advise! Like I always say, nothing risked, nothing gained.

     

    I believe, as long as you behave like a gentleman, there's no harm risking a little smack and peck here .... and there!

  4. Goodbye my love ....

     

    We've worked so long and hard for this...

     

    ..... To see you happy and settled down.

     

    So many pains and mistakes to get there. So much uncertainty.

     

    I believed in you and your happiness .. even when you think you didnt deserve it.

     

    Constantly, I reminded you that you WILL be happy, just wait.

     

    Now, the time has come and passed.

     

    You're finally in somebody's arms. As we both now, you don't belong in mine.

     

    Bittersweet success for me.

     

    But what's this I feel in the deep recesses of my heart?

     

    A sense of loss. No regrets, but loss nonetheless in the midst of victory.

     

    Ah yes, bittersweet success.

     

    Goodbye, my love.

  5. Had a relationship with a girl. I was 11 years her seniour but didnt really matter because she introduced me to her parents as only 4 years older than her, and she got a way with it.

     

    I draw the line when the girl works for me. Right at the very start, I tell the girls in my office na sorry na lang, as long as you work for me, I can't touch you. Kaya ayun, some of them nag-resign.

  6. ..... if a man's primary motivation is to think of himself, then he would sooner k*ll than be killed. That's JHP's point. There's not been an argument for why a man wouldn't just k*ll his fellow man if the latter was infected with a deadly disease. Except a God-given moral code.

     

    Socrates said we hold on to beliefs that we think are common sense. But when we are questioned we discover that these beliefs are not always sound. That's the point here. We're trying to find out if, without God and a moral code, humanity would survive itself.

     

    So far, no one's convinced that a code that's based on man or the self will yield the positive result that you are speaking of.

     

    I acknowledge and agree with your argument that the natural instinct of man to preserve self and kin would negatively impact humanities ability to survive itself and will probably not have a positive result.

     

    However, if you will, try to differentiate this natural instinct, from the instinct that vheRR could be referring to (correct me if I'm wrong), which he referrs to as man's "SOCIAL ANIMAL" instinct - oftentimes expressed in acts of kindness, compassion; things that make our society more livable. It seems that his proposal (again, correct me if I'm wrong) is that the "goodness" in man's heart is something built-in him because of man being a "social animal", and does not come from a God.

     

    It seems his proposal is that man does indeed need a moral code, but this moral code does not come from God, but rather built into man, man being a "SOCIAL ANIMAL" as he calls it.

     

    Complic8ed's observation that some monotheisthic societies in history collapsed (I presume she's referring to the Mayan society, among others) also seems to further the point that having a God does not ensure mankind's survival;

    so therefore furthering vheRR's proposal that you don't need a God to have a moral code, as opposed to your view, and JHP's view that man's moral code comes from God.

  7. He! He!

    Hey guys, maybe we should'nt pick on vheRR.

     

    Tutal, he's the one who offered a totally different view on the topic, and I feel he should be appreciated for that.

     

    From my understanding, his difference in view is not a question of having a moral code or not, but rather the source of this moral code.

     

    vheRR's existentialist view is that the moral code is built into MAN's instinct, being a social animal. Thus, man is the source of this code... Fundamentally, and effectively, man is the end all, be all of everything.

     

    The opposing view by some is that moral code is from God. Or that the urge to follow a moral code (called a conscience by some), comes from a deity or a being higher than man. And God, not man is the end all, be all of everything.

     

    On the surface, both schools of thought sets up a moral codes that may yield similar positive results. But, the fundamentals, or the source of this code, are different.

  8. As it is, our world's a bit messed up ....

     

    We don't k*ll HIV patients despite the danger they pose because of RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE.

    We can't get dispose of our squatters and beggars because of COMPASSION.

    We can't jail just anybody suspected of committing a crime because of DUE PROCESS.

    We can't just ship out our lolo's and lola's somewhere they won't bother us, because of RESPECT FOR THE ELDERLY.

     

    .... so many other things that make our world so inefficient because we can't be practical, pragmatic, and utilitarian - as proposed by some others.

     

    It's not a perfect world. But it's still a wonderful world, just as the song says.

     

    And looking back, the things and attributes that make it a wonderful world appear to be what some people may call "God's moral code".

     

    For me the practical and pragmatic approach has not been proven yet, as I haven't really seen any cranially gifted practical and pragmatic group of individuals produce a perfect society yet.

     

    What I have witnessed, however is an imperfect society, made less miserable by people of COMPASSION and RESPECT FOR LIFE.

  9. The opinions stated really proved to be interesting reading.

     

    I wondered what it would be like if I lived in a world led and managed by cranially gifted people who are practical and pragmatic and who'd seek to run the world at it's most efficient with a utilitarian attitude about most things. There'd probably be no traffic in EDSA, less crimes in the street, no pedicabs and kuligligs in Manila, beggars on the streets, and things would be more efficient, clean, and safe.

     

    I think I'd probably be far more productive. But will I be happier ? Hard for me to say at this time.

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