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[Ryuji_tanaka]

Anything about Federalism - 

you may discuss it here. 

 

Related link.

What benefits will PH get from Duterte's federal government

Federalism in the Philippines

Edited by FleurDeLune, 25 July 2016 - 12:47 PM.

[FleurDeLune]

Much awaited. 

 

 

Much deeper change than war on drugs.

 

 

 

Why step down when you can stay Mr. President?

 

 

http://www.philstar....ralism-complete

[DorkVader]

Not all regions in the Philippines can be trusted with this. It can be abused. It can be used as a very powerful tool for secession.

[Edmund Dantes]

In concept maganda ito. Sabi 80% of the country's protein napupunta lang sa Manila. Decentralizing Manila can be a good way to decongest it. Kaya nagkakandatraffic traffic na eh.

 

Pero yun mga duterte critics, pupuntos dito. Handa na ba ang pilipinas sa ganitong klaseng sistema? Dapat maipasa muna anti-dynasty bill na yan. Kasi kung hindi papalakasin mo lang lalo political families sa probinsya

[Ryuji_tanaka]

Here is my POV, di lang nalipat ni Ms FDL:

 

 

Unfortunately, since there are different "flavors" of federalism, the pros and cons depend on which flavor it is. But here are a few:

 

The con of a US style Federal System is a bloated federal government bureaucracy and federal overreach.

The con of a Switzerland style Federal System is it takes a lot of political maturity to pull it off, otherwise, its going to lead to balkanization.

 

and an info article to start thing off:

 

Advantages & Disadvantages of Federalism

http://www.bloomp.ne..._federalism.htm

 

 

Edited by Ryuji_tanaka, 27 July 2016 - 03:17 PM.

[heatseeker0714]

Hindi ako ok dito... not with 72 out of the 81 Provinces of the Philippines still under Political Dynasties... Patatabain nyo lang lalo yang mga pamilya na yan sa labas ng Meh-nila eka nga naming mga taga probinsya...

 

The Filipino People deserve their sorry fates... They all pin their hopes on the President without thinking that Presidents come and go every 6 years but the provincial political families still remain... Why do they remain??? eh di sa ka.ta.nga.han na din nila... 

 

Gusto nilang umasenso Pilipinas? then start kicking out those useless Political dynasts occupying key positions in their own localities... 

[NooB]

I approve of balkanization

[Ryuji_tanaka]

I approve of balkanization

why?

[Rabbit305]

I still have some reservation sa federalism sa philippines. sa tingin ko medyo hindi pa matured yung political system natin. Maaring mangyari ang political families will agree to have intermarriage yung mga anak nila. Dapat siguro ayusin muna yung anti political dynasty bill.

[NooB]

Because it will be interesting to see where peoples loyalty will lead them

Edited by NooB, 31 July 2016 - 06:51 PM.

[Soraoi_empire]

Sa wakas, malapit na din matanggal ang mga bulok na partylist group na yan tsk. 

[Nemo Outis]

Check out the live event at the senate on federalization: http://senate.gov.ph/videos/live4.asp

[camiar]

Hindi ako ok dito... not with 72 out of the 81 Provinces of the Philippines still under Political Dynasties... Patatabain nyo lang lalo yang mga pamilya na yan sa labas ng Meh-nila eka nga naming mga taga probinsya...

 

The Filipino People deserve their sorry fates... They all pin their hopes on the President without thinking that Presidents come and go every 6 years but the provincial political families still remain... Why do they remain??? eh di sa ka.ta.nga.han na din nila... 

 

Gusto nilang umasenso Pilipinas? then start kicking out those useless Political dynasts occupying key positions in their own localities... 

 

I'm OK with federalism on the condition that we divide the federal union into just three states : Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao.

 

With just three states, no single provincial political clan can dominate a state election process. In fact, it will make the political dynasties compete with each other to prove who can provide best governance to get the votes. 

Edited by camiar, 02 September 2016 - 03:00 PM.

[camiar]

What happened to Duterte's promise on federalism? Any updates?

[tomagants]

Now this issue is again hitting the national boards. Con ass or Concon? the senate is now having a heated discussion in  this issue. As per Sen. Lacson during the hearing consultation adressing the message to the congressman. Sana ang mga congressmen mag dahan dahan isulong itong issue.

 

What is federalism? its implication. This is a Pre text...  to one of the resource speakers.

[blue+george]

federalism, countries that I know... USA, Malaysia, india. 

 

its like having mini countries under a federal government. so in case sa pinas, if one governor controls a province, then every province is a country. the governor will control (like a president would) and these governors answer to the president under the federal government. budget wise, each province will enjoy the taxes they made on their territory. so example, metro manila will have a huge advantage over say siquijor. taxes made in samar will be their only budget. then each province will pay tax to the federal government. for the congress, senate and judiciary, its the same. except for territorial cases. cases made on a territory will be tried in that same territory. extraditions will be made to return a suspect to that territory. also laws will be different from province to province. since it is customized to fit each province. for example, in one province rape is rampant, they may opt to have caning or death penalty as needed. while in another province there is no rape... as such no law is needed. same with illegal logging, fishing, mining etc. etc. 

 

it has its advantages and disadvantages, we will never know if we don't try. it may divide us as a people though. one may feel that I'm from manila. I am highly regarded. while people from a poor province may feel down... its a very complicated issue... 

[tk421]

Before they tackle changing the constitution, we should have a snap election of all members of the house and senate first. That way we start with a clean slate and be sure that these politicians arent just using this as an excuse to prolong their terms.

[90mayk19]

We must be VIGILANT on the changes that our lawmakers will propose to us. Ika nga, the devil is in the details. Just like the passage of TRAIN Law, we were smoked-screened with higher income-tax exemption and lower income tax rates. The primary goal of the TRAIN is to collect additional billions of revenues for the government yet many filipinos were not fully informed and knowledgable on the effects of the new tax reform.

Our president is indeed a champion of federalism but it doesnt mean that federalism is really good for the country. Federalism is being used as instant solution to all of our national problems but these problems are too complex that needed to be addressed and solved properly.

The threat of stronger political dynasties still remain the biggest challenge if we prematurely shift to a federal type of government.

[rooster69ph]

Before they tackle changing the constitution, we should have a snap election of all members of the house and senate first. That way we start with a clean slate and be sure that these politicians arent just using this as an excuse to prolong their terms.

Di pa man term extension at no el na nga ang gusto ng lower house

[haroots2]

ramdam mo agad kung gaano sila kagahaman sa kapangyarihan di ba? Hindi lang ung mga balimbing sa present admin. Kahit pa ang mga nagbabandila na makabayan.

Kung magkakaroon man ng change in constitution. I suggest na lahat ng may position sa government should be removed. Lahat naman sila may ulterior motive kung bakit sila pumasok sa government eh. To gain influence and power for their own personal insterests. Walang santo sa loob ng gobyerno. Puro alagad na ng demonyo ang nasa kasulok-sulukan nito.

 

And who do you suggest na papalit if mawala yun gcurrent sa pwesto? Yun gmga natalo dati?  Yung mga bago gustong pumasok walang ulterior motive sa kapangyarihan at personal interest?  Personally I don;t agree na mag extend ang term ng congress because of the charter change and gusto ko rin mapalitan yung current congressman namin dito.