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Posted 16 October 2018 - 09:05 PM

^^ Thanks for clarifying. Well, yeah, in terms of hype, those 2 five-man teams may be comparable. But in terms of individual talent, you're selling the Celtics' 5 short. Ray Jackson and Jimmy King were more role players and complemented the true stars - Webber, Rose and Howard. Jackson was there for defense, and was not even a regular starter until the latter part of the 91-92 season; while King was the 3-pt specialist. The C's projected starting 5, as you've mentioned, are more versatile and each can create their own offense.

 

For the sake of the Celtics' fans here, let's hope this Celtics team doesn't meet the same fate as the Michigan Fab Five in the NCAA championships - blasted by Duke in their 1st year, then the following year losing to UNC in the infamous Chris Webber illegal timeout game. 

 

A bit of trivia - Rob Pelinka, former agent of Kobe Bryant and current Lakers' GM, is a teammate of the Fab Five at Michigan. 

I think the Cs and the Ws slug it out in the Finals and I am picking the Cs to dethrone the Ws. I can't say if they were really role players because I didn't really watch their games since I have been a Duke fan eversince. They were a hyped up team. Like I said, I am not comparing the Cs five to the Michigan five strictly speaking but I in terms of star power and individual talent. Yes, maybe Jackson and King were not NBA-level players but they were good enough in college to be part of a hyped unit which made it to two straight NCAA Finals. 

 

Just because King made the NBA doesn't mean he is an NBA-level player. I am talking here of an NBA rotation player and not a bench warmer. 


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Posted 16 October 2018 - 11:50 PM

^^To me, the current Celtics is still an unproven team. True, they have loads of talent, a deep bench, and a masterful coach - but they, especially the starting unit, have not played together for significant amounts of minutes. I'm also interested in how Rozier and Brown, after playing big roles in last year's playoffs, adjust or react to having their minutes and usage scaled back with the return of Hayward and Kyrie. I'm also not willing to discount this early the Sixers and Raptors. The Sixers added a year of experience while Kawhi (health permitting) will be on a mission with the Raptors.

 

But anyway, based on your Finals prediction, in some roundabout way, maybe your comparison of the Celtics to the Fab Five may hold water after all. The Celtics (like the Fab Five) will be the first-timers going up against the veteran, champion Warriors (like Duke).  :)  Let's see if the outcome will be the same.



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Posted 17 October 2018 - 07:25 AM

^^To me, the current Celtics is still an unproven team. True, they have loads of talent, a deep bench, and a masterful coach - but they, especially the starting unit, have not played together for significant amounts of minutes. I'm also interested in how Rozier and Brown, after playing big roles in last year's playoffs, adjust or react to having their minutes and usage scaled back with the return of Hayward and Kyrie. I'm also not willing to discount this early the Sixers and Raptors. The Sixers added a year of experience while Kawhi (health permitting) will be on a mission with the Raptors.

 

But anyway, based on your Finals prediction, in some roundabout way, maybe your comparison of the Celtics to the Fab Five may hold water after all. The Celtics (like the Fab Five) will be the first-timers going up against the veteran, champion Warriors (like Duke).    Let's see if the outcome will be the same.

Unproven? I team that was one game away from the NBA Finals without two starters isn't exactly what you call unproven. Like I said, it took off nights from Rozier and Brown for the Cavs to reach the Finals. Brown is a starter so I don't think his minutes will get affected. It is Rozier's minutes that will get affected. However, Rozier is  part of a second unit whose talent level is not that far off from the current starting five of the Cs, in my opinion. If the Cs starting five is a 10, the second five of Baynes, Morris, Smart, Rozier and Ojeleye is a 7.5 to 8. 

 

Try to watch the Cs against the Ws in the past two years. The Ws always had a difficult time with the Cs even when Kyrie, Hayward and Tatum weren't around. 


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Posted 17 October 2018 - 09:48 AM

Yes, unproven - they haven't won anything! Do you see division or conference banners in the Boston rafters?!

 

https://stadiumjourn...t-TD-Garden.jpg

 

All players have bad games, boohoo - that's part of the game. And there is no certainty they'd have won even with those 2 playing to par. Fact is they still lost or did not win or whatever you may call it.

 

Let's see them beat the Warriors in a series first before I'll sing praises to this team.



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Posted 17 October 2018 - 10:39 AM

Good Start

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 09:19 PM

Yes, unproven - they haven't won anything! Do you see division or conference banners in the Boston rafters?!

 

https://stadiumjourn...t-TD-Garden.jpg

 

All players have bad games, boohoo - that's part of the game. And there is no certainty they'd have won even with those 2 playing to par. Fact is they still lost or did not win or whatever you may call it.

 

Let's see them beat the Warriors in a series first before I'll sing praises to this team.

Unproven? A team without their two top players were one quarter away from the Finals and you call them unproven? Haha! So what about division or conference banners? We already have 17 championships which makes us the greatest franchise ever. In my opinion and I am basing this on how this team is built and the cohesion plus the brilliant coaching of Brad, number 18 is coming this year barring any injuries to the starting five. 

 

There is no certainty you say? Logic dictates that with Kyrie and Gordon, the Cs easily dispatch the Cavs and Lechoke. I will give you a historical example. In the 2009 NBA playoffs, the Magic met the Cs in the Eastern semis. The Cs were without KG, yet, it took the Magic 7 games to dispatch Boston. When KG came back the next season against the same Magic team, the Cs breezed to a 3-0 lead before taking their feet off the gas and let the Magic win the next two games before putting away the Magic in 6. Learn from that example. It's just too bad Lechoke went to the LA Lechokers, este Lakers pala.  


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Posted 17 October 2018 - 09:23 PM

The Cs showed what kind of a team they are by routing the Sixers by 18 points. Five players in double figures with Tatum leading the charge. Kyrie and Hayward didn't need to score that much. That's how deep the Cs are. Marcus Morris was the second leading scorer with 16 points. No one played more than 30 minutes. So deep. So good. 


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Posted 17 October 2018 - 11:08 PM

yung mga moves ni Tatum apparently same moves ni MJ at Mamba..

 

laki ng hinayang ng Lakers hahaha

 

kung magiging healthy itong team at the end of the regular season... they can dethroned GSW!

 

obvious top contender to win the EAST Finals this season



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Posted 18 October 2018 - 06:51 AM

Cs will be the beast of the east. ang lalim ng bench.

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 07:32 AM

yung mga moves ni Tatum apparently same moves ni MJ at Mamba..

 

laki ng hinayang ng Lakers hahaha

 

kung magiging healthy itong team at the end of the regular season... they can dethroned GSW!

 

obvious top contender to win the EAST Finals this season

The Lakers were enamored with Lonzo Ball. If Danny had an iota of a doubt that the Lakers were gonna take Tatum, he would not have traded for number 3. 


Cs will be the beast of the east. ang lalim ng bench.

Yup, chief. This showed against the Sixers. Kyrie and Hayward weren't even the leading scorers. 



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Posted 18 October 2018 - 11:10 AM

East Contender - Deep bench

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Posted 18 October 2018 - 11:18 PM

Unproven? A team without their two top players were one quarter away from the Finals and you call them unproven? Haha! So what about division or conference banners? We already have 17 championships which makes us the greatest franchise ever. In my opinion and I am basing this on how this team is built and the cohesion plus the brilliant coaching of Brad, number 18 is coming this year barring any injuries to the starting five. 

 

There is no certainty you say? Logic dictates that with Kyrie and Gordon, the Cs easily dispatch the Cavs and Lechoke. I will give you a historical example. In the 2009 NBA playoffs, the Magic met the Cs in the Eastern semis. The Cs were without KG, yet, it took the Magic 7 games to dispatch Boston. When KG came back the next season against the same Magic team, the Cs breezed to a 3-0 lead before taking their feet off the gas and let the Magic win the next two games before putting away the Magic in 6. Learn from that example. It's just too bad Lechoke went to the LA Lechokers, este Lakers pala.  

Yes. What have they proven - that they can reach the conference finals?? Because that's what they've reached so far, nothing more. I fully agree - the Celtics are the greatest franchise in the NBA - and that's why there are only championship banners in the rafters. This franchise does not celebrate conference or division titles, moreso coulda, shoulda, woulda "titles". The team knows it and the true blue (or true green, as the case may be) fans know it. Oh wait, I think there's a room in the Garden where they store those titles with the requisite asterisks - i.e. '87 with McHale's broken foot, the 90's with the deaths of Bias and Lewis, etc. etc.  :P

 

Logical it may be, but it's still conjecture. It didn't happen. What happened is they lost.

 

So, go get no. 18. If they can beat the Warriors, then I'll be sending my congratulations your way.



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Posted Yesterday, 12:07 PM

Yes. What have they proven - that they can reach the conference finals?? Because that's what they've reached so far, nothing more. I fully agree - the Celtics are the greatest franchise in the NBA - and that's why there are only championship banners in the rafters. This franchise does not celebrate conference or division titles, moreso coulda, shoulda, woulda "titles". The team knows it and the true blue (or true green, as the case may be) fans know it. Oh wait, I think there's a room in the Garden where they store those titles with the requisite asterisks - i.e. '87 with McHale's broken foot, the 90's with the deaths of Bias and Lewis, etc. etc.  :P
 
Logical it may be, but it's still conjecture. It didn't happen. What happened is they lost.
 
So, go get no. 18. If they can beat the Warriors, then I'll be sending my congratulations your way.

Tell me something I dont know. Read about my historical example so you will know what i am talking about. The fact is they lost a game anybody could have won without two superstars and I an just being logical and backing it up with a historical basis.

Edited by will robie, Yesterday, 12:07 PM.


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Posted Today, 08:44 AM

17-21-22 Baby...Records Dont lie....the results will speak for itself...Enough said...





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