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Saudi arrests Filipino Catholics at mass

 

Speaking about religious tolerance.

Theres a mosque in Rome Italy, but Christian cannot be practice in KSA

 

Saudi arrests Filipino Catholics at mass

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RIYADH - Saudi police raided a secret Catholic mass in Riyadh last week and arrested a dozen Filipinos and a Catholic priest, charging them with prosyletising, a local daily reported on Wednesday.

 

The raid took place as some 150 Filipinos were attending the mass in a Riyadh rest house on Friday, the second day of the weekend in Saudi Arabia, Arab News said.

 

The twelve Filipino men and the priest, whose nationality was not specified, were "charged with prosyletising," the daily quoted an official from the Philippine embassy in Riyadh as saying.

 

They were all released Sunday on guarantees by sponsors or embassies, the report said.

 

Saudi Arabia bans the practice of any religion aside from Islam. However, small, low-key prayer services inside expatriate compounds and in Filipino gatherings are tolerated by officials.

 

With more than one million workers in Saudi Arabia, Filipinos comprise the bulk of the Christian community inside the kingdom.

 

Filipino activists confirmed the arrests to AFP, saying they had been released, but could not confirm the arrest of a priest.

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IN SAUDI ARABIA

Islam religion says they believe in Jesus Christ the fact that they do have people having name of Eissa (islamic name of Jesus)

they do also believe in Mother Mary they do also have women name after Her (Maryam islamic name of Mother Mary)the Book of Qur'an have verses that telling about Mary as mother of Jesus.

For Muslims she is a symbol of submission to God and piety. Mary is one of the most highly-regarded women in Islam; there are several verses in the Qur'an praising her and confirming that she was an extremely chaste and pious woman.

it is in Sura XIX, Qur'an.

they pray five times a day.

but more of them cannot follow this..of course they're only human.

they were followers of Muhammad not Jesus Christ neither Moses.

accordingly they follow Haddith and the rest of the Qur'an verses.

Haddith is the Prophet Muhammad words.

they do not believe that Jesus was crucified.

according to their elders Jesus was ascended to heaven before He was being crucified.

this people consider that the Bible's New Testament as "Book of Jesus"

and the Old Testament as "Book of Moses" which is the book uses by the Jews called "Torah" .

according to their elders that there are Four Holy Books.

the Book of Moses, the Book of Jesus, the Qur'an, the other one i cannot follow.

there are two kinds of muslim in the middle east.

Sunni and Shi'ite.

 

Shi'ite - a member of the branch of Islam that regards Ali as the legitimate successor to Mohammed and rejects the first three caliphs.

Sunni -a member of the branch of Islam that accepts the first four caliphs as rightful successors to Muhammad.

caliphs were the successor of Muhammad.

From observations whatever their Imams tell them, they do believe into it.

so you can expect that a highly educated and a non formal education person tells one thing.

 

they believe that the Western are the Evils.

"Western" is a word to describe not the Americans but those cultural & social acts whom they believe not according to Qur'an.

so even the European being called as "Westerner".

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Religious tolerance?yeah right!

 

http://www.aina.org/news/20101010152217.htm

 

Egyptian State Security Behind Anti-Church Demonstrations

 

(AINA) -- The recent attack by Muslim fundamentalists on the Coptic Church and its head Pope Shenouda III, accusing him of causing sectarian tensions and calling for his "disposal," is seen by some as a sign that matters "got out of hand" and that Egypt is heading towards a catastrophe, while others see the "steady hand of the State Security agents" directing all players like marionettes in a play written and directed by them, to target the Christian minority and achieve political gains for the Regime at the same time.In the last month various fundamentalist groups held ten demonstrations, each after coming out of mosques following Friday prayers, against the 86-year-old ailing Coptic Pontiff, in which he was accused of being a US agent, an abductor and torturer of female Muslim converts from Christianity (AINA 9-18-2010), of stockpiling weapons in monasteries and churches to carry out war against Muslims, and of plans to divide Egypt to create a Coptic State (AINA 9-22-2010).

 

The latest in the series of demonstrations was on October 8, when nearly 500 Salafis (those who follow the ways of the first Muslims) staged a protest in front of the Ibrahim Mosque in Alexandria, after Friday prayers. They called again for the release of Muslim women allegedly held against their will by churches and also for the trial of Father Bishoy, secretary of the Holy Synod, for his comments questioning the authenticity of the Quran. Their litany of demands included calls for searching monasteries and churches to look for weapons, as well issuing threats such as "Shenouda, just wait, we will dig your grave with our own hands" and "Islamic, Islamic, Egypt will remain Islamic." They called on Christians to dispose of Shenouda before things get worse and for a boycott of Coptic businesses. Photos of the Pope were burnt in effigy and hit with shoes (video).

 

The mounting tensions between Muslims and Christians aim to foment havoc ahead of crucial political landmarks, from the People's Assembly elections slated for November 29 to the presidential elections next year. Many recall the demonstrations staged against the Coptic Church in Alexandria in advance of 2005 parliamentary elections, allegedly instigated by the Muslim Brotherhood to spoil the chances of Coptic candidates of being elected.

 

The role of state security during these demonstrations was widely criticized. Outspoken government critic, Ibrahim Eissa, who was editor of the independent al-Dustour newspaper until he was sacked last week, criticized the role of the State Security. In an article dated September 27, Eissa said that thousands of Salafi Muslims go out demonstrating against the Coptic Pope and the Church believing they are on a Jihadi mission for the sake of Allah and at the same time "knowing quite well that State Security will not touch them, since demonstrations are directed against the Pope and not the President, the Church and not the inheritance issue [Gamal Mubarak as successor of his father]. "Those who go out in Jihad against 'inheritance', democracy and election fraud are beaten mercilessly by security forces but those who go out to incite sectarian violence between Muslims and Christians believe that Allah is with them, and that they are the friends and 'buddies' of the police and the State Security."

 

In an interview with state-owned TV Channel "Al Hayat el Yom" on September 27, Pope Shenouda expressed his concern about the ongoing situation. "Matters have become very, very, very sensitive," He said. "I try to pacify my people, but I fear they may lose this peace, because of too many incitements." The defiant Pope lashed out at the role played by the media and the instigators, who have an effect on the masses, causing hatred between Muslims and Christians and between the Church and the State. He defended his silence by saying: "Our silence does not mean that we do not have an answer to what is said about us, we have a strong response. But we do not want to add fuel to the fire, and we prefer silence. However our silence should not be used to cause more incitement and insults. No. this matter is unacceptable and is not for the good of the country and its image."

 

Enraged Copts vowed to stage sit-ins to protest the fabricated accusations levied against their Pope and the church, "which have gone beyond description and imagination and has never happened before in the history of Egypt," said Coptic activist Dr. Fawzy Hermina. A demonstration was organized for October 6 in the Coptic Cathedral in Cairo during the Pope's weekly Wednesday sermon.

 

On October 3rd a statement issued by an unknown organization naming itself "Front of Islamic Egypt" warned Copts to stay at home with their wives and children as their would be a bloody confrontation on Wednesday. This organization's statement was the second in the series, the first of which promised the Copts a blood bath.

 

The Coptic Church issued a statement asking for no sit-ins inside the Cathedral. The Wednesday sermon was attended by more than 10,000 Copts "to show support to our Pope and to show fundamentalists that we are not cowards, and they cannot intimidate us," said a Coptic family who attended the sermon. State Security was present around the Cathedral and blocked all roads leading to the venue.

 

According to Magdi Khalil, head of the Middle East Freedom Forum, who is an authority on Fundamentalist movements, "Fundamentalist movements have a deep-rooted hatred to all that is non-Muslim, and they are ready to do anything and commit any crime against non-Muslims, especially Jews and Christians." Security and intelligence agencies managed these movements before and after President Sadat's assassination by them, and used them for violence against the Copts in the seventies, are using the same mechanisms to steer their anger in the same direction again."

 

He believes that security authorities are 'killing two birds with one stone' namely directing, under their guidance, the excess violence present in these movements towards the Copts, away from the Regime as Sadat did, secondly to distract the Egyptians away from certain important issues such as preparation for transfer of power (between Mubarak and his son) and the upcoming elections. "Besides they want to discipline the Copts, whose voices became louder from the standpoint of security services" according to Khalil.

 

"The Pope hinted in his recent interviews with state-owned TV that Copts understand the game played by security and he wondered out loud where the national security is from all what is happening," Khalil said, "which is a clear accusation that the security and intelligence services run the whole game."

 

Also implicating security was Coptic activist Dr. Hermina, who said "The Regime is presenting the Church and the Pope as a scapegoat on a gold platter to these neo-Wahhabis in order to appease them."

 

Outspoken Activist Wagih Yacoub confirmed the complicity of security in these demonstrations. "If they want, they can stop these demonstrations immediately as they did with oppositions groups of 'Kefaya' and '6th April'," he said. "Besides, Security wants to sew fear in Copts of what could come if fundamentalists took over control of the country, which puts them in a good bargaining position with the Church regarding support for future election and succession plans."

 

On October 5, in a televised address to the Nation on the occasion of 37th anniversary of the 1973 war between Egypt and Israel, Mubarak spoke about preserving national unity among both Muslims and Christians. "National unity constitutes a red line that I will allow no one to cross," Mubarak warned. "Those who incite sectarian division must know they are not above the law. They must know we will thwart their attempts to drag religious and intellectual symbols into their conspiracies." But only three days later, despite the President's warnings, the tenth demonstration was held in Alexandria with the presence of the head of Alexandria State Security.

 

By Mary Abdelmassih

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Hiram ko lang sa ibang forum pero ..TAMA ang analysis ng poster

 

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military

components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to

Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

 

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the > case in:

United States -- Muslim 0..6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing

car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

after reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

 

 

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Historical errors in the Qur'an:

The Historical, Scientific, simple mathematics and theological contradictions in the Qur'an are too numerous to list. Remember, since Muhammad already proclaimed the Jewish Torah/Christian Old Testament (Taurat) as correct in Qur'an 5:46/47 and 43:63 then the following gross errors that differ with the Torah are inexcusable. These errors their selves scream out the Qur'an itself is entirely false. Here are just a few:

 

In Sura 2:241 Muhammad confuses the persons of Saul and Gideon.

 

In Sura 2:55-60 the Israelites were said to be "a scanty band" vastly inferior to the Egyptians. But in Exodus 1:7-10 the Egyptian king said to his people that the Israelites had become "more and mightier than we".

 

The Koran confused the sister of Moses (Miriam) with Mary, the mother of Jesus. In Hebrew, Miriam and Mary are the same names.

 

How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the annunciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21. The Christian Bible clearly indicated one angel; "In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a town in Galilee called Nazareth," Luke 1:26

 

Muhammad taught that Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Aaron and Moses - who lived 1,500 years earlier.

Do you remember the evil Persian Haman who conspired to k*ll all the Jews during the time of Esther in the Babylonian captivity. In the Koran, Muhammad incorrectly taught that this wicked man Haman was the prime minister of the Egyptian Pharaoh. Throughout the Quran--Nimrod and Abraham, Haman and Moses, Mary and Aaron, the tower of Babel and Pharaoh were all pictured as living and working together. Moses and the flood are also incorrectly found together. Muhammad thought these all happened at the same time.

 

What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.

 

Sura 7:136, 7:59 say Noah's flood took place in Moses' day. Did anyone tell Moses that?

 

Sura 14:37, says Abraham lived in the valley of Mecca. The Bible says he lived in Hebron, Israel. (Genesis 13:18, 23:2, 35:27)

 

Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days.

 

Suras 21:51-71; 37:97,98, says that Abraham was thrown into a fire [by Nimrod]. Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Qur'an who did not live at the same time. The Bible tells us Nimrod lived many centuries before Abraham.

 

Sura 6:74, says Abraham (called millata-Ibrahim in the Qur'an) father's name was Azar. The Bible says it was Terah (Genesis 11:27).

 

Sura 12:21ff, says the man who bought Joseph was named Aziz. The Bible says it was Potiphar.

 

Sura 37:100-112, says Abraham went to sacrifice Ishmael. The Bible says it was Issac.

 

Sura 5:73-75,116, Muhammad mistakenly thought the Christian Trinity was 3 gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus).

 

Sura 28:8-9, says is was Pharaoh's wife who adopted Moses. The Bible says it was Pharaoh's daughter.

 

Sura 9:10, incorrectly says Zacharias could not speak for only three days.

 

Sura 20:87, 95, says the Jews made the golden calf in the wilderness at the suggestion of Samaritans. There were no Samaritans at that time.

 

 

Sura 18:85,86, says that Alexander the Great (Zul-qarinain) followed the setting sun and found that it went down into the waters of a muddy spring. Sura 18:89-98 says Alexander the Great was a Muslim and worshipped Allah and lived to an old age. Actually, Alexander the Great died very young and was by no means a Muslim. The Greek, Alexander the Great lived from 356 - 323 B.C. (Before Jesus). He was 33 years old when he died. Muhammad and Islam did not come along till 610 A.D. (after Jesus), when Muhammad began preaching Allah and his new religion in Mecca. This was over 900 years after Alexander the Great died. Yusuf Ali and the Concise Dictionary of Islam confirm that Zul-qarinain in the Quran is Alexander the Great.

 

The Qur'an also incorrectly says Abrah's army was defeated by birds dropping stones on them. History says Abrah's army withdrew after smallpox broke out. It says; the Kabah was build by Adam and rebuilt by Abraham. It was built by pagans to worship a black rock that fell out of the sky. Abraham never lived in Mecca.

 

 

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I am just starting to research about Islam since I am seriously contemplating on "re-converting" to Islam since Muslims believe that Islam is everybody's first religion. There are a lot of information that vary depending on the person you are talking to. The_greenhorny is correct when he said that the perspective depends on the educated and non-educated Muslims as well as cultural upbringing.

 

The information and books lent to me so far all make sense and they are all logical in explaining the answers to most of my unanswered questions. Well, to each his own. Let us live in mutual respect because by the end of the day, regardless of what religion we chose, or what religion chose us, we still have to answer to one Superior being.

 

In sha Allah, everything will fall in their proper places.

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A friend of mine pointed this out to me, "There are alot of things written in the Qur'an that are now being discovered by Science." And whether it be coincidence, it was written in the Qur'an long before the x-ray machines and modern medicine was in full swing.

 

I am speaking here as an Agnostic, who is looking at Islam from the outside in and I have to say I am pretty amazed so far, especially in the fact that in Islam, the one true God is being worshipped and prayed to, there are no mediators, there are no mediums, or middlemen, prayer is sent directly to God.

 

Interesting.

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allah akbar, salah malaj kum. if you have nothing nice to say about a religion, say nothing. islam is peace.

 

Islam is peaceful, just look at the ME. Middle East is a very very peaceful continent in the world, no suicide bombers in the name of religion. Fellow muslims killing each other (Sunni vs Shiite). How many articles i've read in news websites, a Shiite mosque attacked by a Sunni Suicide Bomber and vice versa. That's peaceful?

 

 

How many Christians died in that continent just because they are christians, and the converts to christianty there life is in danger because they are now infidels. That's peaceful?

 

How many Christian Missionaries died in Africa just because they are Christians. Christian Missionaries help your fellow muslims in africa who are dying in starvation and diseases, and what they do in return? They kidnapped and beheaded Christian Missionaries, that is the exchange of helping a muslim country. That's peaceful?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Is it only in Singapore that Islam can co-exist peacefully with other religions?

 

 

Because they do have a very strict laws against extremism and spies are all over the mosques and masjids to remind them that big brother is on top of the game unlike in western countries. Lee Kwan Yew knew islam from top to bottom.

 

This is what Lee Kuan Yew said

 

“We can integrate all religions and races except Islam.”

http://sheikyermami.com/2011/02/03/lee-kuan-yew-muslim-integration-in-singapore-is-failing/

 

Hard handed tactics brought the muslim to their toes ...Kudos to Mr. Lee

 

 

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