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Posted 17 August 2010 - 09:25 AM

Of all the locals I think its only Art Dela Cruz and Anthony Dasalla who really went mano a mano with imports, no Sharma-like sucker punching and running.

Art Dela Cruz mixed it up with former Tar Heel hotshot Rodney Monroe -- what started out as a fistfight evolved into a wrestling match when Monroe started to literally hold on to Dela Cruz's arms to prevent him from continuing throwing punches.

Dasalla on the other hand went toe to toe with Billy Ray Bates -- note that Dasalla has some American blood in him too so though he grew up here and finished his studies at FEU he technically was a Fil-Am.

But as far as really standing up is concerned, nothing will beat how Dante Gonzalgo stood up to Presto's Abe King, Dennis Abbatuan and the PBA's most notorious sucker puncher and cheapshot artist combined Bong Ramos. What happened was Gonzalgo dove for a loose ball that went to the direction of the Presto bench, unfortunately for Gonzalgo his momentum forced him to land on top of Abbatuan on the bench. Claiming (during the investigation that soon followed) that he was caught by surprise, Abbatuan started punching Gonzalgo who then naturally retaliated with his own punches, Ramos and King then joined in the fray but both of them also took punches from the Ginebra forward before Gonzalgo disengaged himself from the Presto bench and ran to the safety of the Ginebra side. After the referees sorted things out the four prontagonists together with Aldo Perez (who referees claimed to have also seen throwing a sucker punch behind the head of Gonzalgo) were thrown out. Sonny Cabatu was also assessed a technical for, get this, taking a fighting stance during the melee.

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 12:33 PM

Ay naku, mga iho, mga iha, malapit nang senior citizen here. It was during my early teens na witness ko ang nakakakilabot na rumble. The game was Crispa-Meralco sa MICAA early 70s. Halatang niluluto ng referees (Obias and Cruz) ang Meralco ng biglang pumutok ang bulkan. Binato ng pagkalas lakas ng bola (rinig sa stands yung sapol) sa mukha ni Jawo si referee Cruz. Bumagsak. Sa kabilang court naman hinabol ni Big Boy Reynoso (sentro ng Meralco) si referee Obias nang binigyan ng right hook sa mukha, bumagsak, sabay walang tigil ng sipa ang inabot. I remember yung announcer nuon saying "There's a madman in the court". Sigaw ng sigaw sa mike. Ang tagal nagka awatan. Duguan nilabas yung dalawang referee. Cruz was a dentist at that time sa aming neighborhood. Habang nagkakagulo, may naghagis ng pusa sa court, yes, a cat! Ewan ko kung saan nakuha yung pusa, umulan din ng barya, bote, sapatos, relos.....dahil sa init ng ulo ng mga fans ng Meralco. Ban for life yung dalawang players. (pero re instated later dahil sa pakiusap ng then Basketball Association of the Philippines head honcho Lito Puyat. Sayang daw galing pang national team. Hanggang dito na lang naaalala ko. Dont know kung nagkabati na yung mga refs at sina Jawo at Big Boy ngayon

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 01:04 PM

hahaha.............eto hindi brawl...........pero basahin nyo...................

Nikki Coseteng grew up in the shadow of his father’s passion for sports, basketball in particular to which she, too, fell in love with.

So that when businessman-sportsman Emerson Coseteng, the founding president of the Philippine Basketball Association, joined his Creator, the chore of managing the family-owned Mariwasa team in the country’s and Asia’s first professional league fell on her shoulder.
One of the biggest contributions she made to the league, she recalled, was the institutions of several reforms in terms of officiating.

“Ang nakakatawa at talagang hindi ko malilimutan, it all started with a swing at one of the referees that officiated in one of Mariwasa games.

“We were playing powerhouse Crispa and leading by three points with only seven seconds left. Natalo kami at the end because of what I considered a stupid call,” Coseteng, who took over managing the team in 1983, recalled.

“Although our coach, (the late) Tito Eduque, a gentleman through and through, was pacifying me, saying it was all part of the game, galit ako talaga,” she said.

“So inabangan ko yung referee na tumawag on the way to the dugout, confronted him and took a punch at him hitting him on his face. Everybody was stunned at what happened. Yung mga photographers nga hindi nakakuha,” she said.

The incident, she continued, led though to several meetings of the board towards aimed at improving the officiating.

“Galit na galit ang board, sabi nga ni Leo (the late founding commissioner Leo Prieto) if a woman at that was forced to do something like punching a referee, something’s really wrong with the officiating,” Coseteng, who now owns the Diliman Preparatory School, recalled.





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Posted 17 August 2010 - 02:48 PM

Whatta woman, whatta woman, whatta mighty good woman! :lol:

Mabuhay si Nikki Coseteng, GMILF! :lol:

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 08:07 PM

Ay naku, mga iho, mga iha, malapit nang senior citizen here. It was during my early teens na witness ko ang nakakakilabot na rumble. The game was Crispa-Meralco sa MICAA early 70s. Halatang niluluto ng referees (Obias and Cruz) ang Meralco ng biglang pumutok ang bulkan. Binato ng pagkalas lakas ng bola (rinig sa stands yung sapol) sa mukha ni Jawo si referee Cruz. Bumagsak. Sa kabilang court naman hinabol ni Big Boy Reynoso (sentro ng Meralco) si referee Obias nang binigyan ng right hook sa mukha, bumagsak, sabay walang tigil ng sipa ang inabot. I remember yung announcer nuon saying "There's a madman in the court". Sigaw ng sigaw sa mike. Ang tagal nagka awatan. Duguan nilabas yung dalawang referee. Cruz was a dentist at that time sa aming neighborhood. Habang nagkakagulo, may naghagis ng pusa sa court, yes, a cat! Ewan ko kung saan nakuha yung pusa, umulan din ng barya, bote, sapatos, relos.....dahil sa init ng ulo ng mga fans ng Meralco. Ban for life yung dalawang players. (pero re instated later dahil sa pakiusap ng then Basketball Association of the Philippines head honcho Lito Puyat. Sayang daw galing pang national team. Hanggang dito na lang naaalala ko. Dont know kung nagkabati na yung mga refs at sina Jawo at Big Boy ngayon


Hi bro, another senior citizen here too :-)

I think you must have remembered the brawl between Shin Dong Pa and our own Tembong Melencio during the '73 ABC finals? I've been trying to look for it sa youtube pero di ko makita.

Now, those were the good old day!!!

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Posted 17 August 2010 - 10:22 PM

^Bad old days po. :lol:

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:42 AM

maganda yung kay fampulme at ilad at team manager ng lasalle. mainit yung team manager hahaha

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 02:02 AM

^Bad old days po. :lol:


pi-no. :lol:

hirap mag kuwento dito at baka mag-po din si howard sa akin.

narining ko nga sa lolo ko yung pangbubugbog nila jawo at reynoso sa mga referee nung panahon pa ng micaa. the worse brawl daw accdg. to him. unfortunately, i couldn't vouch for him at hindi pa ako tao nun. promise. :rolleyes:

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 08:16 AM

Wala pong kaso iyon, kuya. Kuwento lang po kayo about the bad old days of Philippine basketball. :lol:

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 09:01 AM

Hi bro, another senior citizen here too :-)

I think you must have remembered the brawl between Shin Dong Pa and our own Tembong Melencio during the '73 ABC finals? I've been trying to look for it sa youtube pero di ko makita.

Now, those were the good old day!!!



I think its all because of the tight guarding of Tembong na may siko, patid, at sahod kay Shin. Nag iinit na yung coach ng Korea nuon when he sent in his man-to-man defense against our national team. By the way, the championship was held here sa Rizal Coliseum then Biglang sinuntok ni Shin at siniko si Tembong. Tembong, being a hooded Tondo boy then (walang pumapalag dito nuon!-not even Big J), ayun, nagkagulo, awatan pero not a major rumble. Cooler head prevailed. That was the last ABC Championship tasted by the Philippines. Oo nga pala, patay na si Tembong, namatay sa beerhouse nuong umaawat sa away, nasaksak sa dibdib. Very colorful player and, after 30+ years, I met his son, player ng defunct MBA kaya lang hindi nagtagal, nawasak ang tuhod kaagad. He is now a councilor sa Guagua, Pampanga.

Dito ginawa yung tournament kaya ang saya saya ng Pasko dito sa Pinas nuon. Imagine, basketball champion sa Asia! And on to the Olympics! ........................and that proved to be the last........... :(


Jaworski was the lead guard of that team alongside Francis Arnaiz, Ramon "Tito" (later called "Mon") Fernandez, Reynoso and William "Bogs" Adornado. Other players in that team included Rogelio "Tembong" Melencio, David "Dave" Regullano, Rosalio "Yoyong" Martirez, Manuel "Manny" Paner, Alberto "Abet" Guidaben, Jaime "Jimmy" Mariano and Ricardo "Joy" Cleofas.
It was also around this time when the nickname "Big J" was given to him, resembling the "Big O" tag given to Oscar Robertson who Jaworski played like.

Champion - Philippines10–0
2nd Korea9–1
3rd Taiwan7–3
4th Japan6–4
5th Iran4–6
6th India3–7
7th Thailand6–4
8th Indonesia6–4
9th Malaysia3–7
10th Singapore3–7
11th Hong Kong2–8
12th Pakistan1–9

P.S. No problem with "po". Am really that old :lol:


Edited by photographer, 18 August 2010 - 09:08 AM.


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 09:07 AM

pi-no. :lol:

hirap mag kuwento dito at baka mag-po din si howard sa akin.

narining ko nga sa lolo ko yung pangbubugbog nila jawo at reynoso sa mga referee nung panahon pa ng micaa. the worse brawl daw accdg. to him. unfortunately, i couldn't vouch for him at hindi pa ako tao nun. promise. :rolleyes:



Yes, Kanski, its the worst brawl na na witness ko. Dont know na yung 50s and 40s :lol: Imagine pati referee ginulpi at duguan. Unlike yung mga brawls na iba, players lang, kung minsan kasama team officials. Dito lahat lahat and including the spectators sa bleachers, sa upper box hanggang labas ng coliseum, naghabulan, may mga nabasag na windshield. Its such a nightmare. At may pusa pang kasama sa court. Mga basag na bote. Ganyan ka "passionate" nuon ang basketball. May pride kasi para sa bansa.


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Posted 18 August 2010 - 12:12 PM

Nice trivias padres...sayang wala sa youtube

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 01:19 PM

The one I remember most was Dr. J and Larry Legend going at it. Larry was throttling Dr. J's neck. Another one is not really a basketbrawl but a shouting match which could have turned into a basketbrawl if not for the intervention of cooler heads: Kareem and Larry going at it in game 4 of the 1984 NBA Finals.

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 02:20 PM

Bad boy din pala itong si Bird on and off the court

Did Larry Bird’s Bar Fight Cost Celtics ‘85 Finals?
Posted by Matt Sussman on Jun. 09, 2008, 3:30pmThe Celtics tried their darnedest to blow Game 2 of the NBA Finals, but maybe they needed their superstar to pound some random Bostonian bar owner into the ground, like Larry Bird did during the 1985 NBA Finals.


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It only took 23 years for BASKETBAWFUL to uncover this tale of the Lakers-Celtics rivalry, in which Bird’s victorious fight resulted in a finger injury.

In 1985, a man named Mike Harlow was beaten up by the Hick from French Lick on the off night between Games 2 and 3 after Harlow allegedly smacked around Bird’s friend Nick Harris for supposedly flirting with Harlow’s girlfriend. There are a ton of qualifiers in this story. Coupled with the fact that it’s been 23 years since the reported brawl. Which led to this assertion:

“So yeah, the Lakers played great and the Boston bench sucked. But it is also quite possible — even probable — that Larry Bird cost the Celtics the 1985 NBA championship.”

Was that fight really the reason the Celtics lost to the Lakers in six? Let’s go to the “table,” which is more like a three-legged Ottoman around here, to find out:

Bird’s Regular Season
Bird: 26.1 points/game, 9.6 rebounds/game, 6.0 assists/game

Before The Beatdown (Celtics: 1 win, 1 loss)
Bird: 24.0 points/game, 9.5 rebounds/game, 6.0 assists/game

After The Beatdown (Celtics: 1 win, 3 losses)
Bird: 23.5 points/game, 8.75 rebounds/game, 4.5 assists/game

Well, after the un-Glass Joe-like smackdown, down went the numbers too. Slightly. Yep, totally his fault.




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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:18 PM

"....That was the last ABC Championship tasted by the Philippines....
Dito ginawa yung tournament kaya ang saya saya ng Pasko dito sa Pinas nuon. Imagine, basketball champion sa Asia! And on to the Olympics! ........................and that proved to be the last..........."

Not exactly, we would still win one more ABC- in '86 where we had naturalized players in Dennis Still and Jeff Moore. (That will have to be the subject of a new thread I guess)

I suddenly remember SEA'81 championship between the Philippines and Malaysia. Nagkaron din ng sapakan, with our bad boys Itoy Esguerra, JB Yango, and Ricky Relosa roughing up and brawling the Malaysians.

There's some parallels between the ABC'73 and SEA'81 brawls. Unang una was that it was held here in Manila with the Rizal Colosseum as the venue. Magpapasko din nun, with our country trying to regain the respective crowns...

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Posted 18 August 2010 - 04:36 PM

"....That was the last ABC Championship tasted by the Philippines....
Dito ginawa yung tournament kaya ang saya saya ng Pasko dito sa Pinas nuon. Imagine, basketball champion sa Asia! And on to the Olympics! ........................and that proved to be the last..........."

Not exactly, we would still win one more ABC- in '86 where we had naturalized players in Dennis Still and Jeff Moore. (That will have to be the subject of a new thread I guess)

I suddenly remember SEA'81 championship between the Philippines and Malaysia. Nagkaron din ng sapakan, with our bad boys Itoy Esguerra, JB Yango, and Ricky Relosa roughing up and brawling the Malaysians.

There's some parallels between the ABC'73 and SEA'81 brawls. Unang una was that it was held here in Manila with the Rizal Colosseum as the venue. Magpapasko din nun, with our country trying to regain the respective crowns...


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Yes, pero I dont really recognize a champion kapag may ibang lahi sa team. I mean, look what happened now, after the "Filipinization" of Still and Moore including Brown, nasaan na sila ngayon? Saludo at kumakanta ng Star Spangled Banner and renouncing their "given" Filipino citizenship. Like what sa PBA now, after so many years of playing and staying (well, during the tournament proper) sa Pinas, some for more than a decade, ni hindi pa rin marunong mag tagalog. Siguro patriotism still in my blood like during the reign of Martirez, Sullano, Cleofas, Jaworski and Webb (although foreign sounding names, eh, pinoy na pinoy (mas lalo sa pagmumura!) hahaha



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Posted 24 August 2010 - 02:51 AM

dr.j and bird 1984.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 04:02 AM

Ginebra vs. Red Bull..feeling ng mga fans ng red bull..mas marami na sila sa BGY...hayun..pagtapos ng game..ginulpi at pinag babato sila ng bgry Ginebra fans.. wala silang nagawa.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 09:40 AM

Even the usually cool Gabe Norwood, can lose it!



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Posted 31 August 2010 - 01:05 PM

Wow, Idol ko talaga si jawoh pag suntukan at kakupalan sa court na ang pinag uusapan. di ko na rin napanood yun pero dami ko naririnig na kwento. Good work Sendor na siya ngayon. hehehe




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