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What do you think about the real score between the two vice presidential candidates? Do you believe that there's a deliberate attempt to cheat Marcos to favor Robredo?

 

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Evidence shows breach in transparency server to 'rig' results

 

AN IT expert, who is an accredited observer of the poll watchdog Parish Pastoral Council for Responsible Voting, has in his possession evidence that shows the hash code of the transparency server had been breached by Smartmatic officials to introduce a new script that may have “rigged” the results and compromised the entire system in partial and unofficial counting in favor of administration candidates. Read here.

 

Miriam: PNoy admin ‘manufacturing numbers’ for Leni Robredo

 

Santiago specifically cited the sudden surge of Robredo in the poll surveys a few days before the May 9 elections.

“I find it astounding that Marcos should have led in the vice-presidential surveys for many months, until the penultimate month, when suddenly the administration could jump up survey results to finally overtake him,” Santiago said.

“This is an eventuality that will cause the peoples of the democratic world to shake their heads and question the values of the society it produced,” Santiago added. Read here.

 

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I do believe meron ginagawang milagro ang LP but not Leni. Putting back Marcos in power ay sampal para sa mga Aquino. Ang mga Comelec Comm. naman nabibili mga yan maski noon pa. Diyan nga yumaman si Brillantes as a lawyer for candidates and as a commissioner. Its very easy to access a server if you have I.T. people within to do the job. A script can be done in seconds. Ang mahalaga ay dapat may 3rd party I.T company that will audit all the logs in the server.

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Let's be objective here instead of subjective, guys. I hate to see you being suspended every now and then.

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Until proven na nagkaroon I don't think I can believe the idea na may dayaan, kahit sino pa man ang manalo.

 

Besides all votes are counted in three sites: PPCRV, Comelec, and there's another one I forgot the name. Siguro kung hindi tugma ang resulta nung tatlo, then isa lang sa counting servers ang nadaya;

so yeah, due process muna...

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May article ang Rappler regarding the clash of the mathematicians last night, yung time na lock ang thread ng VP hehe. In one corner, David Yap, former Ateneo instructor and Antonio Contreras ng DLSU versus mga tiga-UP haha, one of which is Jan Carlo Punongbayan, summa at valedictorian ng UP 2009 and a slew of others, an MA student of Columbia University and a PhD from University of Zurich.

 

Ang initial contention ni Contreras, may pattern ang pag-angat ni Robredo sa vote count, in short, dinadaya. Sinagot naman ng mga tiga-UP na mali ang assumption na ginagamit ni Contreras, particularly, na random ang pasok ng data all throughout. Basahin niyo na lang, mahina ako sa math haha.

 

 

 

http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/132819-mudslinging-math-slaying-netizens-vice-president-race?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=referral&utm_medium=share_bar

 

 

Mas madaling intindihin ang explanation ni Reina Reyes, the Filipina scientist who proved Einstein right (astig). May ginawa siyang gif showing the vote tally per hour alongside the percentage per region where the votes came from. Nung early evening, makikita na mas malaking porsiyento ng vote count ang galing sa balwarte kung san malakas si Marcos, mostly Luzon, mapapansin din at that time napapagiwanan ang Vis-Min sa bilangan. On a per hour basis makikitang lumalaki ang boto ni Robredo habang nabibilang ang Vis-Min at siyempre yung Luzon naman e nasagad na yung bilang, kaya nahabol si Marcos. All her data taken from GMA tally according to her. Well, ang dali namang iverify o irefute kung may maling data siyang nilagay diba? Yun ang maganda sa transparency, kahit sinong herodes pwede magmarunong hahaha

 

http://giphy.com/gifs/labanleni-3oEjHTx26SAc2O3E2s

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Madaling magbato ng putik pero mahirap itangging malinis ang iyong kamay pagkatapos....

 

Comelec have explained what really happened and said that the "tampering" dont have anything to do to alter the count and yet despite walang maipakitang ebidensiya so far the marcos camp continues to insinuate cheating.

 

Its all about mind conditioning. Even before the election marcos already came out and said the only way he'll lose if he's cheated. Sa kampo rin niya ang nag fabricate at nagkalat ng "plan B" issue. They even tried to discredit the survey results showing leni has catch up and even overtook him through paid columnist via the romualdez owned newspaper. Pulse asia daw ang credible hindi yun sws survey and yet the last pulse asia survey that came out before the election showed leni winning by a slim margin.

 

Even former comelec commissioner sixto brillantes who will represent marcos in the official counting said this should be a non issue at pinatatahimik na nga sila.

 

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/785505/brillantes-hushes-marcos-script-tweak-nonsense-issue

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ow... i was expecting na mahaba itong topic na ito considering how it would affect us.

 

i dont believe na may dayaan pero nakakabwisit lang talaga ung ginawa ng smartmatic at nakakabwisit din ang sistema nila.

 

medyo nakakalungkot lang na nagagamit ito ng mga taong gusto manggulo at pinaniniwalaan ng mga tao

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Smartmatic liable for breaking protocol with script change, says Guanzon

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/05/13/1582811/smartmatic-liable-breaking-protocol-script-change-says-guanzon

 

I say that its all PPCRVs or even Comelecs fault. After the turnover of Smartmatic of the source code they should not have any access to the server (any main server) unless given authority by PPCRV or Comelec. Authority means approved by the OIC and given actual rights to their username to access the server. This is an I.T. S.O.P.. after they turnover a project. Smartmatic username should have been deleted all the rights to the server to prevent them on accessing it without them knowing it. I'm sure they can access the server remotely without them knowing it.

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I would really love if the country gets their acts straight with the Marcoses. They should be put in the history books and remain their forever. They had their plunderous and murderous regime. Tama na. Im hoping there will be an effort to cement to everyone the evils of the Marcos family. Kaya lang with Du30 being soft on the Marcoses, I dont know.

 

This election showed that Pinoys can easily be marketed to. A well-placed meme here, an authentic looking story there, and you've hooked them. That doesnt say much about the thinking prowess of the voters, sorry to say.

 

Let us move forward. Please.

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Yung huling survey ng SWS at Pulse Asia, lamang na si Leni over Marcos pero considered a statistical tie kung tama ang pagkakatanda ko. Yung TV5-SWS Exit Poll which the SWS Mahar Mangahas considers most telling or reflective of the actual vote e lamang si Marcos 34.6% to Leni's 32.8% pero ayon kay Mangahas, considered statistical tie din ito with a 1.8% difference. Ito yung pinupunto ni BBM na ebidensya na panalo siya sa boto pero given na statistical tie ito, mas magandang pagtuunan yung actual vote count.

 

Nasa GMA website yung talaan ng mga natitirang presinto at kung saang probinsya pa yung hindi nabibilang. Mula doon pwede na tayo gumawa ng sarili nating projection kung kaya pa nga ba habulin ni Marcos ang boto ni Leni. Wala pa akong nakitang analytical projection na mananalo si Marcos based on the remaining uncounted precincts.

 

Ganunpaman, mas maganda matapos na agad ang bilangan at iupload na sa transparency server para magkaalaman na.

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its simple as this.. if duterte gets a big lead on pres. votes it means sawa na ang tao sa yellow administration at dun papasok ang tanong na bakit mo iboboto si robredo na VP ng LP/yellow administration? take note DU30's VP is cayetano kahit naman siguro papano didikit sya total votes ng top 2 VPs na kalaban nya.. pero magtitinda na lang ako ng lugaw at ice cream para maging milyonaryo ako.. :D

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Nde matanggap ni bongbong na matatalo sya sa dayaan o lets say irregularity....nde dahil matatalo sya sa political neophyte....mas ok pa siguro na sabihin na nde matanggap na matalo sa yellow army...

 

About the marcoses.....yup...i agree sa pinagsasabi ng lahat....na dapat basahin yun history books....but sino ba nagsulat o naglagay ng history after na madeposed si marcos? From term ni cory nagstart....and syempre puro mga negatives ng mga marcoses nilagay....at alam yan ng mga so called millenials....matatalino na mga bata ngayon...maybe alam nila na nde totoo ang lahat na nakalagay sa history books....

 

Besides...kay ninoy palang....na pinapalabas na hero and martyr....sabi nga ng mga posters dito...dalang aquino na ang naging presidente...yun isa asawa yun isa anak...bakit nde nila pinaimbestiga ulit kung sinong pumatay kay ninoy...baka magulat ang taumbayan sa resulta at mailagay na naman sa history books?

 

Lets wait na matapos nalang ang bilangan...tutal unang sinabi ni marcos na may nagbago ng script..and yun camp ni leni nagsabing ala and comelec lang makakasagot dun...then inamin ng comelec na may nagiba din ng script....so medyo fishy nga yun...

 

And yes i voted for marcos...pero as much as i abhor calling someone a troll....pero i think a troll lang ang magsasabing alang pakialam sa bansa ang bumoto sa marcos eh....and i wouldnt consider myself millenials...id rather say/ or call us the voltes five babies....

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About the marcoses.....yup...i agree sa pinagsasabi ng lahat....na dapat basahin yun history books....but sino ba nagsulat o naglagay ng history after na madeposed si marcos? From term ni cory nagstart....and syempre puro mga negatives ng mga marcoses nilagay....at alam yan ng mga so called millenials....matatalino na mga bata ngayon...maybe alam nila na nde totoo ang lahat na nakalagay sa history books....

 

Besides...kay ninoy palang....na pinapalabas na hero and martyr....sabi nga ng mga posters dito...dalang aquino na ang naging presidente...yun isa asawa yun isa anak...bakit nde nila pinaimbestiga ulit kung sinong pumatay kay ninoy...baka magulat ang taumbayan sa resulta at mailagay na naman sa history books?

 

I dont remember if I posted it, but in one conversation with a chairman of a publishing group, he shared to me that for quite a while now, there is a very wealthy group who funds many publishing houses and in exchange, the publishers should use their writers. The group not only gives money but travel junkets to europe, etc. It is in this context that one of the books written by one of the group's writers mentions that Martial Law was the golden age of Philippine History.

 

Well, that is one rich group. And that is one way to literally re-write history. My friend never mentioned who is this wealthy group. All I can say is, your guess is as good as correct. :-)

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So far, wala pa namang proof na nagkaroon ng dayaan. Kahit yung kampo ni BBM pang press release lang ang akusasyon at walang pormal na inihaing reklamo sa Comelec dahil walang pang matibay na ebidensya ang nadidiskubre para ihain sa pollbody.

 

Yung hashtag issue is an issue of breach of protocol at hindi tungkol sa integrity ng vote count. Kahit si Marcos election lawyer and former Comelec Commisioner Sixto Brillantes ang nagsabi na bitawan na yung issue na yan at minor lang yan. Alam niyang hindi makakaapekto sa bilangan yung hashtag issue na yan. Malinaw mga repapips, pwede na tayo mag move on.

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^What I meant is move on na tayo sa issue ng hashtag. Yung issue kung may dayaan siguro i-bring up na lang kung may lumabas na ebidesya na lang.

 

Yung issue kung sino ang nanalo, let's be clear on this, e hindi pa naman tapos. Tingin ko hindi agaran matatapos ito dahil nandyaan na mga de kalibreng mga election lawyers na sila Sixto Brillantes para kay BBM at Romulo Makalintal para kay Robredo. Magbubunuan ito sa mga returns per precinct dahil sa liit ng vote difference ng dalawang magkatunggali. Sana lang yung totoo nanalo ang lumabas at hindi basta nadaan sa pagalingan ng abugado.

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^What I meant is move on na tayo sa issue ng hashtag. Yung issue kung may dayaan siguro i-bring up na lang kung may lumabas na ebidesya na lang.

 

Yung issue kung sino ang nanalo, let's be clear on this, e hindi pa naman tapos. Tingin ko hindi agaran matatapos ito dahil nandyaan na mga de kalibreng mga election lawyers na sila Sixto Brillantes para kay BBM at Romulo Makalintal para kay Robredo. Magbubunuan ito sa mga returns per precinct dahil sa liit ng vote difference ng dalawang magkatunggali. Sana lang yung totoo nanalo ang lumabas at hindi basta nadaan sa pagalingan ng abugado.

Hashtag or hashcode ba?

 

and from what I remember its supposed to verify data integrity, so if naiba siya, may nagiba ng file.

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^may tama ka, hachcode nga brotha

 

May nagiba nga, yung cosmetic change from ? to enye ng Roy Seneres, properly explained ng Comelec at Smartmatic naman pero obviously may breach of protocol dahil any change however small kailangan ng decision ng Comelec en banc. Mas bininigyan ko ng mas mabigat na halaga yung opinion ni Marcos lawyer at ex Comelec Commisioner Sixto Brillantes dahil alam niya yang pasikot-sikot ng automated election at siya ang representante ni Marcos kay full trust sigurado yan ng kampo ni BBM. May pagdududa ka pa ba nun sa opinion niya?

 

Madali lang naman i-verify yan kung binago nga yung vote count ng transparency server kasi may separate count naman ang Comelec at kung sa pagkakaalam ko, may mga poll watcher naman ang bawat kampo sa bawat presinto sa bawat probinsya. Nung election day mismo malamamng nauna pa nila nakuha yung bilang ng bawat probinsya, e di ikumpara lang sa lumabas sa PPCRV quick count, meron namang per province count nasa GMA website. Kung may dayaan sa bilang basyo agad sigurado.

 

Yung nabilang na malabo madaya pa, nasa transparency server at open sa public yang bilang na yan. Yung mga hindi pa nabilang kamo ang delikado na madaya.

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A breach of protocol is a serious matter. Hindi man lang alam ng Comelec na may ginalaw ang Smartmatic dito before BBM accusation, bigla na lang aaminin after the accusations. Ang sabi ng Smartmatic is only a cosmetic change kaya hindi na inireport. Na check ba ng Comelec na yun lang ba talaga ang ginawa nila?

Wala namang accountability ang Smartmatic sa count ng election after the turnover so bakit may access pa sila? Isa lang ang masasabi ko dito mahina ang I.T. group ng Comelec.Bakit pinalitan ng ñ ang transparency server? Yun bang Central server naka ñ na para hindi na dapat palitan?

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