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#21 Bugatti Veyron

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 12:45 AM

well, kailangan nila managot.

second, may mga butas ang batas. kailangan alisin ang mga di makatao na batas katulad ng pork barrel at irechannel ang funds nito sa social services.

third, the system doesn't serve the people's interest. ibig sabihin ay dapat na itong palitan.

You're right. The system is obviously flawed. The fact that scams like these (and heaven knows how many other similar but undetected scams there are) exist is an indication that the system needs to be reviewed, loopholes plugged, and existing laws reviewed to increase penalties for those convicted of such awful crimes.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:17 AM

After they slaughter the 'sacrificial lamb', 10 'Napoles' will rise to take her place.

I wish that, just for once, politics is left outside of this investigation. Let the evidence collected speak for itself. I'm so sick and tired of the much often abused defense "the accusation has no basis...it's politically motivated."

For once, let the accused present real evidence to show that he/she is actually innocent of the crime(s) he/she is accused off.

Leave the much abused "politically motivated defense" out of the investigation. Lumang tugtugin na ito.

Edited by sonnyt111, 16 August 2013 - 02:21 AM.


#23 sonnyt111

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:24 AM

It's clear as day that Napoles is guilty. Doesn't really matter whether she's a fall guy or a sacrificial lamb. That doesn't make her less guilty, much less innocent.

The same goes for those oppositionists linked to Napoles. Just because they're part of the Opposition doesn't mean they're already immune to scrutiny. If they are indeed involved, then they're getting what they rightfully deserve. If there are indeed politicians allied with the current Administration that are also involved in the Napoles scam, they will also eventually get what's coming to them. Perhaps it will be when the wheel has turned and they find themselves to be the Opposition. Doesn't matter. They'll get their due.

And you don't need to get rid of Napoles to run your own scam. There are plenty of other PDAF-bearing legislators out there. Who knows, maybe they already have their own "Napoles" who just hasn't been caught yet. But what goes around, comes around.

You're right. Greed knows no political boundaries. Doesn't matter if you're with the opposition or with the administration. Both camps are capable of running their own Napoles type scam.

#24 oscartamaguchiblackface

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 03:27 AM

You're right. Greed knows no political boundaries. Doesn't matter if you're with the opposition or with the administration. Both camps are capable of running their own Napoles type scam.

Uh huh. Pare pareho lang mga politiko na yan. Self-interests over public service. That's always been our problem. Clear conflict of interests.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 06:46 AM

It's clear as day that Napoles is guilty. Doesn't really matter whether she's a fall guy or a sacrificial lamb. That doesn't make her less guilty, much less innocent.

The same goes for those oppositionists linked to Napoles. Just because they're part of the Opposition doesn't mean they're already immune to scrutiny. If they are indeed involved, then they're getting what they rightfully deserve. If there are indeed politicians allied with the current Administration that are also involved in the Napoles scam, they will also eventually get what's coming to them. Perhaps it will be when the wheel has turned and they find themselves to be the Opposition. Doesn't matter. They'll get their due.

And you don't need to get rid of Napoles to run your own scam. There are plenty of other PDAF-bearing legislators out there. Who knows, maybe they already have their own "Napoles" who just hasn't been caught yet. But what goes around, comes around.


i am not saying that napoles should go scott-free if she is guilty. what i am saying is that if there is a serious effort to curb graft and corruption, remove the roots, not trim the branches. the pork barrel, which is A source of napoles' supposed crimes, should be removed. so ask yourself why the good president has not removed it. in fact, he even increased the budget, including his own.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:02 PM

let us not elect hacienderos and middlemen. they get our lands and sell us to big corporations for their own profit. and another thing, the recent pattern in the turnout of the 2013 elections proves that it was rigged. thus, we shouldn't limit our practice of our democracy and participation to national and barangay elections. we should join the people in the actions against the flawed system.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:39 AM

I agree. Her arrest and conviction will not be the end of corruption. There will be more to follow. That's for sure.

Pakainin hangang mamatay (greed)

#28 Bugatti Veyron

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 03:36 AM

i am not saying that napoles should go scott-free if she is guilty. what i am saying is that if there is a serious effort to curb graft and corruption, remove the roots, not trim the branches. the pork barrel, which is A source of napoles' supposed crimes, should be removed. so ask yourself why the good president has not removed it. in fact, he even increased the budget, including his own.

Absolutely correct. Remove the roots. Remove the pork barrel once and for all.

#29 Bugatti Veyron

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 03:42 AM

let us not elect hacienderos and middlemen. they get our lands and sell us to big corporations for their own profit. and another thing, the recent pattern in the turnout of the 2013 elections proves that it was rigged. thus, we shouldn't limit our practice of our democracy and participation to national and barangay elections. we should join the people in the actions against the flawed system.

The problem is the hacienderos have the money to entice people to vote for them. It's been that way since time immemorial and explains why our society remain feudal in nature. They bribe people with t-shirts, cash, etc. in exchange for votes. The masses accept the bribe and because their numbers are large, they tend to perpetuate the old politicos in power.

Now remove the pork barrel, and how are these hacienderos going to bribe people? They'll need to use their own money. Which is a gamble because if they lose, out of pocket sila.

Pork barrel is the root of all the corruption going on in the Philippines.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 02:01 PM

Remove the pork barrel.

Does BS Aquino, who is from a family of hacienderos and trapos - i.e. the biggest beneficiaries of pork barrel, have any intention of removing them?

What the majority of pinoys do not realize is that the "messiah" they elected is just another lackey of the oligarchy. BS Aquino will just perpetuate the pork barrel system.

In fairness kay "Pinky" Lacson, sya lang naman ang narinig kong nag-aadvocate ng removal of pork barrel.

Edited by camiar, 17 August 2013 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:03 AM

Remove the pork barrel.

Does BS Aquino, who is from a family of hacienderos and trapos - i.e. the biggest beneficiaries of pork barrel, have any intention of removing them?

What the majority of pinoys do not realize is that the "messiah" they elected is just another lackey of the oligarchy. BS Aquino will just perpetuate the pork barrel system.

In fairness kay "Pinky" Lacson, sya lang naman ang narinig kong nag-aadvocate ng removal of pork barrel.

Isn't it ironic that the worst corruption scam in Philippine history (as far as we know) occurred when Pnoy was president? Where his fighting words was "matuwid na daan? Well that straight road is probably the most crooked road the Philippines has ever seen.

#32 sonnyt111

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:26 AM

I think we're basically all agreed that the pork barrel should be abolished. The question is how do we, as ordinary citizens, pressure our government to abolish it? Perhaps a shame campaign? I'd really like to hear from fellow posters what they think should be the best way to pressure our government to abolish the pork barrel.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 08:09 AM

I think we're basically all agreed that the pork barrel should be abolished. The question is how do we, as ordinary citizens, pressure our government to abolish it? Perhaps a shame campaign? I'd really like to hear from fellow posters what they think should be the best way to pressure our government to abolish the pork barrel.

Well first, they need to convict those involved in the scam first. And if by some miracle those senators and congressmen who were implicated in the Napoles scam are found guilty of conspiring with the Napoles' by the courts, then that would be a very powerful incentive to have the pork barrel abolished.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:30 AM

If the misuse of special fund PDAF is a clear indication, then the same can also be done on the regular fund of our chief executive Office of the President and Cabinet members and Secretaries and their respective departments. Each government agency is headed by a Director and his alter ego in 13 Regions. Then there are legislators (Senators and Congressmen) down to the local executives (Governors and Provincial Councilors, Mayors and City /Municipal Councilors and Barangay Captains and Council). how i wish our Commission On Audit (COA) is that incorruptible like that say from Singapore. This office is manned mostly by accountants who have specialized in Auditing and surprisingly have made public their findings regarding PDAF of "Pork Barrel" just now. Makes me wonder if this institution is the first to be compromised and have become Commission with NO Audit.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 09:50 AM

Are the people in COA brave enough to die for the country? http://www.coa.gov.p...1/news7_n11.asp
Their job in our government is one of the most hazardous if not deadliest. Would you have the guts to show Politician Warlord that he is misusing public funds? How about telling that in your face to feisty Senator or even the impropriety it had uncovered in the government agencies? :(

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:04 AM

The Napoles and others thrived because the guardians of the public funds have failed http://www.mannypino...count-the-ways/ :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:08 AM

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What I know merong 1.5 to 2 percent for every department budget ang coa in the form of
Allowances,, ,pocket money kick back for short. Those who are exposed di nag remit ng tama.
Everybody is on the take. Centralized talaga. Dpwh nga 35 percent per contract nawawala sa corruption
Bidding palang that includes yung sa coa to be paid later before audit.



Its either Do or DIE for them and DOOM for us the public

#38 Vegasboy32

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 05:45 AM

may thread dito dati tungkol sa pag improve ng pinas. langya paano kaya uunlad ang pinas kung maraming buwaya sa gobyerno. dapat bitayin yang napoles na yan.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:28 AM

Why didn't the COA report include some of Aquino's allies? Here is an answer fro Tiglao's Manila Times column toda:

For that matter, how did the senators now known to be Aquino loyalists and allies use theirs? Foremost among these are Aquino side-kick Mar Roxas, senator from 2004 to 2010, the Cayetano siblings Alan and Pia, Francis Escudero, Francisco Pangilinan, Antonio Trillanes, Loren Legarda, Rodolfo G. Biazon, and even Jamby Madrigal.

Were these legislators saints?

Maybe yes. Like Senators Joker Arroyo and Panfilo Lacson, a few of these pro-Aquino senators reportedly didn’t touch their pork barrel allocations for certain years. I cannot confirm these though since the department of budget and management’s website contains data only for years starting 2009.

However, there is a more likely reason why the COA report did not have details on these pro-Aquino senators’ use of their pork barrel. This is indicated in page 34 of the COA report:
“Despite repeated requests, the DBM did not provide the (COA) Team with the schedule of releases from PDAF per legislator. Thus, total releases for each legislator out of PDAF cannot be established.”

Because of this, the COA report involved only P12 billion or less than half of the P29 billion “soft” pork barrel uses , or mainly those given to NGOs. What has been disclosed in effect is only half of the corruption.

Budget Secretary Florencio Abad, said to be Aquino’s political strategist, likely simply refused to provide the DBM with data on the pork barrel use of these senators allied with Mr. Aquino. I wonder if there was even a quid-pro-quo arrangement for Abad’s putting data on these senators’ pork barrel in his safe.

There is another aspect to the COA report that is important to note.


Cover up!

Edited by zolber, 19 August 2013 - 06:30 AM.


#40 Moe.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:08 PM

Interesting pointers bat nga di ma report mga allies ni pnoy,, baka walang complaint or
Di mabutasan at minimum 10 to 15 percent lang sila. Ganon ka simply yun.

Edited by Moe., 19 August 2013 - 02:10 PM.





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