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Antonio Trillanes: Criticism And Controversies


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On Trillanes' accusations against Duterte and family: madalas below the belt na. If he has the goods, he should go to court. Otherwise, pamumulitika lang niya yan.

 

On Proclamation 572: blatantly illegal. Nagkamali si Duterte this time around. Sa factual basis pa mali na agad, sabay may illegal arrest orders pa. The SC can bend over backwards for him only so much. Milagro na yan kung i-uphold pa ng SC yung Proc 572.

 

SC denied Trillanes' petition for TRO.

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Agree ako kay JuanT,sa style ng gobyerno ngayon pag kalaban ka e hindi ka man lang tatagal ng isang buwan sa pwesto kung may mga kalokohan kang itinatago. Bulatlat lahat mahanapan ka lang ng butas. Sa sobrang taba ng utak nila naisip pa nila itong amnesty chuchu na ito. Hindi ko idol c trilanes, pero malinaw naman kung sino ang mali dito.

O really? Paki share naman sino sino mga sinasabi mong na tanggal.

 

At malinaw ba talaga sino may mali? Sige nga paki sabi nalang kung sino.

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Amnesty was granted and sign only by DND secretary. Yan yung butas na pinanghahawakan nd admin ngayon.

 

It should be the president at siya lang ang may power mag grant. Ang kaso walang ganun document. Kahit sa kampo ni Trillanes wala silang copy na si Pnoy ang nag grant.

 

In short di naayos to ng past admin nabutasan tuloy ngayon.

 

At si Noynoy tahimik lang ngayon. Baka nagulat din haha. O kamot ulo kasi bakit nga naman hindi aiya ang nakapirma.

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Amnesty was granted and sign only by DND secretary. Yan yung butas na pinanghahawakan nd admin ngayon.

 

It should be the president at siya lang ang may power mag grant. Ang kaso walang ganun document. Kahit sa kampo ni Trillanes wala silang copy na si Pnoy ang nag grant.

 

In short di naayos to ng past admin nabutasan tuloy ngayon.

 

At si Noynoy tahimik lang ngayon. Baka nagulat din haha. O kamot ulo kasi bakit nga naman hindi aiya ang nakapirma.

 

You hit the bullseye on that. Dinaan man sa technicalities, its still legal, di nila pwede sabihing si Du30 pa yung lumabag sa contitution.

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You hit the bullseye on that. Dinaan man sa technicalities, its still legal, di nila pwede sabihing si Du30 pa yung lumabag sa contitution.

Di na dapat pinapatulan si Trillanes.

 

Bistado na sya sa pagbubugaw ng sarili nya bilang tagapanira ng reputasyon ng mga kalaban sa pulitika ng amo nya.

 

Di na sya mananalo sa next elections.

 

Pero ngayon nasa limelight na naman sya. Nagkaroon na naman sya ng pag-asa na makapanloko ng botante.

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O really? Paki share naman sino sino mga sinasabi mong na tanggal. -

may sinabi ba kong "natanggal"?! Wow, really nga😂😂.

 

At malinaw ba talaga sino may mali? Sige nga paki sabi nalang kung sino. -

it should be the court to decide sa matter na ito, but the president itself already judge na tama sila at mali ang kabila. I will invoke my right to freedom of expression dito😅😅😅

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O really? Paki share naman sino sino mga sinasabi mong na tanggal. -

may sinabi ba kong "natanggal"?! Wow, really nga.

At malinaw ba talaga sino may mali? Sige nga paki sabi nalang kung sino. -

it should be the court to decide sa matter na ito, but the president itself already judge na tama sila at mali ang kabila. I will invoke my right to freedom of expression dito

O sabi mo malinaw kuNg sino mali. Bat nag 180 ka ata, buti naman pala alam mong korte mag decide nyan tapos mag post ka dyan na sure na sure ka.

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Di na dapat pinapatulan si Trillanes.

 

Bistado na sya sa pagbubugaw ng sarili nya bilang tagapanira ng reputasyon ng mga kalaban sa pulitika ng amo nya.

 

Di na sya mananalo sa next elections.

 

Pero ngayon nasa limelight na naman sya. Nagkaroon na naman sya ng pag-asa na makapanloko ng botante.

 

True. Graduate na siya sa senado. I doubt lalaban siya sa kongreso (1st district ng Caloocan) unless partylist (Magdalo) siya. After next election makakalimutan na sana siya ng mga tao.

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SC denied Trillanes' petition for TRO.

 

SC also took judicial notice of statements from both Duterte and the AFP that they will respect the court processes pending before the RTCs where SoJ Guevarra has filed motions for the issuance of warrants of arrests.

 

Slightly hugas-kamay, but the bottom line is: no warrantless arrest of Trillanes. Which was one of the orders contained in Proc 572. So on that score, kahit walang TRO, panalo si Trillanes.

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SC also took judicial notice of statements from both Duterte and the AFP that they will respect the court processes pending before the RTCs where SoJ Guevarra has filed motions for the issuance of warrants of arrests.

Slightly hugas-kamay, but the bottom line is: no warrantless arrest of Trillanes. Which was one of the orders contained in Proc 572. So on that score, kahit walang TRO, panalo si Trillanes.

Baka kasi jab lang tong pagtanggal sa kanya ng amnesty, tas yung totoong suntok ay parating pa lang.

 

Buburahin talaga nila itong si Trillanes sa politics. Pag tapos na term nyan mag la lielow yan.

 

Masyadong kasi syang maingay, label as attack dog nga siya. Kaya pinapatahimik, medyo aamo to pag tapos na term nya. Lalo na pagna dominate ng PDP ang next midterm election.

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Not a fan of Trillanes, pero maling mali si Duterte dito. Napaka-pangit din na dahilan na hindi nila mahanap yung mga documents na submitted ni Trililing dahil ibig sabihin lang nun nasa kanila ang pagkukulang. Ang masama pa dito, magiging precedent siya sa mga susunod na presidente pag may kaaway sa pulitica. Hypothetically, yung susunod na presidente pwede bawiin din yung mga pardon kina GMA at Erap tapos sasabihin "hindi namin mahanap ang mga required documents nila eh." Talaga nga naman only in the Philippines kung saan incompetence and stupidity are a valid excuse.

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Not a fan of Trillanes, pero maling mali si Duterte dito. Napaka-pangit din na dahilan na hindi nila mahanap yung mga documents na submitted ni Trililing dahil ibig sabihin lang nun nasa kanila ang pagkukulang. Ang masama pa dito, magiging precedent siya sa mga susunod na presidente pag may kaaway sa pulitica. Hypothetically, yung susunod na presidente pwede bawiin din yung mga pardon kina GMA at Erap tapos sasabihin "hindi namin mahanap ang mga required documents nila eh." Talaga nga naman only in the Philippines kung saan incompetence and stupidity are a valid excuse.

 

I suggest you study the case well dahil 1 of 4 issues lang yang sinabi mong d mahanap ng DND ang document ni trillanes.

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I suggest you study the case well dahil 1 of 4 issues lang yang sinabi mong d mahanap ng DND ang document ni trillanes.

 

I suggest you read my post well. Ang point ko lang, it's a dangerous precedent na pwedeng gawin ng kahit sinong next president para patahimikin ang mga kalaban nila sa pulitika. All they have to do is take it from the Duterte playbook.

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I suggest you read my post well. Ang point ko lang, it's a dangerous precedent na pwedeng gawin ng kahit sinong next president para patahimikin ang mga kalaban nila sa pulitika. All they have to do is take it from the Duterte playbook.

You won't be worrying about the precedent kung kinumpleto mo ang details ng case. Ang tanong alam mo ba? Post mo kung alam mo para wla tayong problema

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You won't be worrying about the precedent kung kinumpleto mo ang details ng case. Ang tanong alam mo ba? Post mo kung alam mo para wla tayong problema

Oh sige ha:

 

https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/211760-duterte-panelo-false-claims-about-trillanes-amnesty

 

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/667534/duterte-argument-on-gazmin-signing-trillanes-amnesty-foolish-an-afterthought-lawyers/story/

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You won't be worrying about the precedent kung kinumpleto mo ang details ng case. Ang tanong alam mo ba? Post mo kung alam mo para wla tayong problema

This is not just a simple case of completing the details. This is about the president trying to invent a technicality. Mismong mga judges at lawyers nga hindi alam kung legal yung ginawa ni Duterte eh, what more yung ordinaryong tao. Technicalities are the tools often used by criminals. It is a way for them to skirt the intent of a law.

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Yan ang problema sayo. Link nga lang ang binasa mo. Ang dami mo palang alam sa case pero ikaw hindi ka makapagbigay ng specifics. Wait lang ha. Gagawin ko sinabi mo...

Yan din problema mo, alam mo pala "kuno" na madami ang details tapos hindi mo linagay lahat...anu yan selective masyado? Para magandang pakinggan?

 

Sige gawin mo, sa una palang dapat kinumpleto mo na yan

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Post mo nga wag ka maglagay ng link maski ilang link man yan kung d mo nainTindihan mga yan wlang saysay yan.

 

What grounds does Duterte cite for voiding the amnesty? Duterte's proclamation states that the amnesty is void because Trillanes never applied for it anyway and never admitted to his guilt. The Armed Forces of the Philippines, which keeps all the relevant documents, issued a certification on August 30 that "there is no available copy" of Trillanes' application. However, media reports and videos documented Trillanes applying for amnesty in January 2011. https://www.rappler.com/nation/211138-summary-duterte-voiding-trillanes-amnesty

 

 

Yan ang malaking problema dito, well-documented na nag-submit ng requirements si Trililing pero yung administration pinipilit na wala daw despite the proof. Again it's a point taken against them as it highlights their incompetence although that is more likely intentional.

 

 

Can Duterte really do this? Section 19, Article VII, of the 1987 Constitution states that the President has the “power to grant amnesty with the concurrence of a majority of all the Members of the Congress.” But it is silent on the requirement to revoke amnesty. Justice Secretary Menardo Guevarra said there's no need for Congress approval because the grant of amnesty itself is considered void. https://www.rappler.com/nation/211138-summary-duterte-voiding-trillanes-amnesty

 

 

Ito pa ang isang problema, wala talagang specific due process na nakalagay sa batas para bawiin ang amnesty. Naisip lang bigla ni Duterte/Calida na mag-magic pagdating sa documentation ("nawala daw ang mga submitted requirements") para sabihin na void ang amnesty ni Trililing. Ni hindi nakalagay sa batas na pwedeng bawiin ang amnesty and for a good reason, pwede syang gamitin na political weapon by any sitting president against critics and opponents alike.

 

 

 

President Rodrigo Duterte earlier claimed that the previous administration committed "usurpation of authority" in granting amnesty to Trillanes, a staunch critic of the president.

"It cannot be further delegated to other officials. It is a presidential prerogative so the position of the president is that only the president should have signed the order of amnesty," Roque said in a press briefing Monday.

Read more at https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2018/09/10/1850320/fact-check-palace-claims-usurpation-authority-committed-granting-trillanes-amnesty#adGu2jOiwWI4w5i6.99

 

 

Ito ang pinipilit nila na mali din. Pakibasa po:

 

 

Proclamation No. 75, the presidential order that granted amnesty to those involved in the Oakwood Mutiny, the Marines Stand-off, and the Manila Peninsula Siege, including former Navy officer Trillanes, was signed by Aquino.

But it assigned the receipt and processing of the amnesty applications to an ad hoc committee of the Department of National Defense (DND). The department's "final decisions or determination" were made appealable to the Office of the President.

Likewise sought for his interpretation, constitutional law expert Antonio La Viña agrees that department secretaries are the president's alter egos, whose acts "are the acts of the president" unless their authority is withdrawn.

In Trillanes' case, he said Aquino "validly delegated" the approval of applications to the designated official, in this case Gazmin, who headed the DND during the Aquino administration.

"That's normal. That's called qualified political agency," La Viña said in a text message. He explained that the Cabinet members' agency is "qualified" because the president can also choose to exercise the power himself.

"There are also powers he cannot delegate, like proclaiming martial law and an amnesty. But in the case of the latter, the processing of applications can clearly be delegated," he said.

While the Constitution vests executive power in the president, La Viña asked: "Does that mean he alone has that power and every government document must have his signature? No. That is foolish and would make the presidency an even more impossible job than it already is."

Ito ang PINAKAMALAKING KATANGAHAN DITO:

Malacañang on Thursday said the other amnesties granted by previous presidents remain valid unless questioned before the courts, even as it admitted that the government only sought to review the amnesty granted to opposition senator Antonio Trillanes IV.

Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque said he was not aware of how past presidents granted amnesties, but certainly the one given to Trillanes, a fierce critic of President Rodrigo Duterte, had caught the eye of Solicitor General Jose Calida.

He said even if the other amnesties are invalid because they underwent the same process as Trillanes’ did, “unless it is actually questioned, it is entitled to respect.”

“Sorry na lang si Senator Trillanes, pinag-aralan siya ni Solicitor General Calida at lumalabas na depektibo talaga ang kanyang amnesty​. Ano'ng​ resulta? Iyong sa kanya lang ang maapektuhan dahil iyan lang ang up for review ng Regional Trial Court sa Makati,” Roque said in a Palace press

briefing.https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/13/18/sorry-na-lang-si-trillanes-palace-says-other-amnesties-valid-unless-questioned

Reading between the lines, very obvious na pinipersonal si Trililing. Sana kung ginawa nila yun na kasama lahat ng Oakwood mutineers at pati yung mga pardon/amnesty na binigay kina Erap at iba pang mga dating pulitiko, matutuwa pa ako dyan. Kaso lang ang ngyari dito, kulang na lang sabihin ni Harry Roque, "SORRY KA TRILILING, KAAWAY KA NI DUTERTE KAYA SAYO LANG APPLICABLE ANG BATAS NA YAN. Yan ang sinasabi ko na delikadong precedent para sa mga susunod na presidente. Yung mag-iimbento ng technicalities para lang maikulong ang critics.

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