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#1 FleurDeLune

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 10:26 PM

Would it be possible? If so, how?

 

Other inputs related to the subject matter are also welcome. TIA

 

 

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:29 PM

San Miguel or Metro Pacific can set up the infrastructure for this under a BOT scheme and employ Moros. This could greatly help the standard of living in that region and may probably end wide-spread poverty in that area.  



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 10:25 AM

It belongs to every Filipino. It belongs to the Philippines.



#4 juan t

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 04:46 PM

It belongs to every Filipino. It belongs to the Philippines.

 

 

Same sentiments here.  Why give it to just the Moros?  Seems highly divisive.



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Posted 22 June 2018 - 06:47 PM

 

 

Same sentiments here.  Why give it to just the Moros?  Seems highly divisive.

 

Exactly. If an oil field was discovered in Bicol, will it be just be for Bicolanos?

 

1987 Constitution - Article XII

Approved: 02 February 1987
NATIONAL ECONOMY AND PATRIMONY

 

Section 2. All lands of the public domain, waters, minerals, coal, petroleum, and other mineral oils, all forces of potential energy, fisheries, forests or timber, wildlife, flora and fauna, and other natural resources are owned by the State. With the exception of agricultural lands, all other natural resources shall not be alienated. The exploration, development, and utilization of natural resources shall be under the full control and supervision of the State. The State may directly undertake such activities, or it may enter into co-production, joint venture, or production-sharing agreements with Filipino citizens, or corporations or associations at least sixty per centum of whose capital is owned by such citizens. Such agreements may be for a period not exceeding twenty-five years, renewable for not more than twenty-five years, and under such terms and conditions as may be provided by law. In cases of water rights for irrigation, water supply fisheries, or industrial uses other than the development of water power, beneficial use may be the measure and limit of the grant.


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 11:34 PM

Daming Moro sa Quiapo at Greenhills. Ano yan Metro Manila for everyone pero kapag sa lugar nila kanila lang? 


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 01:13 PM

San Miguel or Metro Pacific can set up the infrastructure for this under a BOT scheme and employ Moros. This could greatly help the standard of living in that region and may probably end wide-spread poverty in that area.  

 

I would be better for these big corporations to set up joint venture companies with the land owners -- the indigenous people of the area -- to develop the resources without destroying the environment and wildlife and at the same time ensuring that the local population benefit from the progress.

 

Benefit sharing includes increased livelihood opportunities, easier access to education and healthcare, preservation of their social and cultural heritage, and major representation in the making of policies and decisions regarding the future development of the natural resources within their ancestral land.

 

This is easier said than done. The locals in the area are engaged in continuous tribal wars and rido (clan wars). They have to unite in peace first before economic progress can have a chance. 



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Posted 24 June 2018 - 04:58 PM

Di ba mey PNOC ang government?  Wag na ang big three... sa government corporation na lang like Natural resources development corporation... bigyan ng share ang autonomous region...



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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:06 PM

 

I would be better for these big corporations to set up joint venture companies with the land owners -- the indigenous people of the area -- to develop the resources without destroying the environment and wildlife and at the same time ensuring that the local population benefit from the progress.

 

Benefit sharing includes increased livelihood opportunities, easier access to education and healthcare, preservation of their social and cultural heritage, and major representation in the making of policies and decisions regarding the future development of the natural resources within their ancestral land.

 

This is easier said than done. The locals in the area are engaged in continuous tribal wars and rido (clan wars). They have to unite in peace first before economic progress can have a chance. 

This is another option but government would want a piece of the pie and would probably enforce its eminent-domain right or maybe agree to a sharing of the revenues. Depending on the volume of oil in this area, this may just lower our current tax rates since government will have a regular source of revenue in this. 



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Posted 25 June 2018 - 01:39 AM

Di ba mey PNOC ang government?  Wag na ang big three... sa government corporation na lang like Natural resources development corporation... bigyan ng share ang autonomous region...

 

PNOC has tried but had to abandon the exploration projects due to continuous clan and tribal wars. 



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Posted 26 June 2018 - 01:26 PM

Politicians' Claims:

 

"...I think it can be developed in 25 years. I am very optimistic that the Philippines will be the next Dubai..."  said Maguindanao Rep Zajid Mangudadatu.

 

 

Facts:

 

Liguasan Marsh geological survey puts the gas reserves there at estimated 68 Billion cubic feet (approx 2 billion cubic meters).

 

Dubai gas reserves is estimated at 5.2 trillion cubic meters -- that's 2,600 times bigger than Liguasan Marsh gas reserves.

 

Conclusion:

 

Liguasan gas reserves is just a drop in the bucket compared to Dubai reserves.

 

Recommendation:

 

Let's not blow it out of proportion. Liguasan Reserve is good for short term development of the area (e.g. 60 MW gas-fired power supply for 20 years) -- let's be level headed and work around what's real.


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 11:42 AM

The government should just develop the Liguasan Marsh so we can use it instead of just being there. Sayang. The Spratlys has allegedly more oil reserves. If a joint exploration with China proves that the Spratlys has voluminous oil reserves, I believe the Chinese and the us will agree to a sharing. As to the percentage we're gonna get, I have no idea but I don't think we will be shortchanged. 



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Posted 01 July 2018 - 04:58 PM

The government can set up a Joint Venture with SMC, MPIC, AC, AEV and DMCI to develop that area. I-tap ang resources at skills ng nasa private sector and the government can still have a piece of the pie. Winxwin for everyone

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 05:22 PM

The government can set up a Joint Venture with SMC, MPIC, AC, AEV and DMCI to develop that area. I-tap ang resources at skills ng nasa private sector and the government can still have a piece of the pie. Winxwin for everyone

That  was what I said in post #7. 

 

Big Filipino corporations to develop the area with the owners of the land - the indigenous people.

 

But territorial rivalry between clans prevents exploration of the area. The government has been unsuccessfully trying to pacify the area. As long as the locals there refuse to unite for peace, the prospects of development and prosperity is bleak.


Edited by camiar, 01 July 2018 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2018 - 05:30 PM

That  was what I said in post #7. 
 
Big Filipino corporations to develop the area with the owners of the land - the indigenous people.
 
But territorial rivalry between clans prevents exploration of the area. The government has been unsuccessfully trying to pacify the area. As long as the locals there refuse to unite for peace, the prospects of development and prosperity is bleak.


Sorry. I skipped reading some posts. Yun ang sa tingin kong pinakamalaking hindrance ng full development of some parts ng Mindanao. Yung agawan, or awayan sa lupa.

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Posted 02 July 2018 - 12:11 PM

Sorry. I skipped reading some posts. Yun ang sa tingin kong pinakamalaking hindrance ng full development of some parts ng Mindanao. Yung agawan, or awayan sa lupa.

Precisely.

 

The feudal clans should be united so they stop warring against each other. We need a strong leader, like a military commander, to take over the administration of the area and get them to work together for a common goal. 

 

Itigil ang awayan at agawan sa lupa. 



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Posted 06 July 2018 - 04:16 PM

Accordingly, Liguasan Marsh is the root of oil fields being explored in our neighboring countries (not so sure if it's also connected to Middle East oil fields). Ipagpalagay nating totoo nga. Pero hindi natin masasabi kung may pagbabago bang maidudulot ito.. Although im not that pessimistic about it, security and cultural issues kasi ang malaking problema dun.

 

Una, marami pa rin tayong problema with our peace talks to MNLF and MILF. Dagdag pa ung threat ng BIFF and several ISIS-inspired groups na kadalasan ay breakaway groups ng MNLF and MILF. These groups have their units lurking in Liguasan Marsh because it is a very good hideout that can not be easily penetrated by government forces.

 

Pangalawa, ang issue ng development. Development means modernization and liberalization. Unless, patuloy na lugmok sa kahirapan ang mga kababayan nating nakatira doon. Kahirapan ang dahilan kung bakit maraming miyembro ang mga armed groups sa Mindanao at kung bakit hawak sa leeg ng mga pulitiko ang mga constituents nila.. plus, we all know that liberalization can not be easily accepted by our Muslim brothers especially their Muslim leaders. 

 

Pangatlo, Malaysia wants that chaos will not stop in Mindanao especialy in Muslim-concentrated areas. Kung uunlad sila, unti-unting tatahimik ang Mindanao. Malaki ang chance na ma-integrate ang mga kapatid nating Muslim and will be an asset for the Philippines. Let us be reminded that our Muslim brothers were contracted by Makoy para bawiin ang Sabah noon, ung tinawag nilang Jabidah Unit. Kung mga kapatid nating Muslim sa Mindanao ang aagaw sa Sabah, kayang-kaya... At un ang kinatatakutan ng Malaysia...

 

Ilan lamang to sa mga balakid kung bakit hindi umuunlad ang Mindanao kahit may malaking future ito dahil sa Liguasan Marsh.. Wala pa ring konkretong solusyon maliban sa tinatawag nilang whole-of-government approach na wala pa ring linaw kung makakaya ba ng gobyerno natin.

 

Sana po ay nailahad ko ng malinaw ang ilang bahagi ng aking saloobin sa isyu na ito. Isang mapagpalayang araw po sa ating lahat.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 03:55 AM

The government should just develop the Liguasan Marsh so we can use it instead of just being there. Sayang. The Spratlys has allegedly more oil reserves. If a joint exploration with China proves that the Spratlys has voluminous oil reserves, I believe the Chinese and the us will agree to a sharing. As to the percentage we're gonna get, I have no idea but I don't think we will be shortchanged. 

There are surveys before, but it was not feasible due to the estimated quality of oil, and the low price of oil back then. 

 

I don't think the priority of the Chinese is oil.  They just want to establish a base to prevents an American rescue in case they plan to take Taiwan by force. 


Edited by johnlove, 14 July 2018 - 03:57 AM.


#19 Jose Protacio Marquez

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Posted 19 July 2018 - 03:45 PM

Dapat maubos muna ang mga corrupt officials at palakasan system at magkaruon ng 180 degree turn ng pagbabago sa bawat officials at mga Filipino kasi malaki ang posibilidad na walang kahihinatnan ang project na yan..





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