rooster69ph Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Media plays a very important role kaya nanalo so Pnoy. The stories on the death of Cory almost portrays her as the savior of democracy and even a saint to some. Yun na nga e ... hindi po ba kaliwa't-kanan ang pambabatikos kung anong klaseng pangulo si Cory. Pero nun namatay sabi ang daming nakisimpatya sa nagawa niya. Alangan naman uto-uto ang lahat ng nakiramay sa kanyang pagkamatay dahil naniwala na lang basta sa media? Even yun panalo ni Pnoy ... aaminin ko na naniniwala ako na malamang marami duon ang sympathy votes. Pinoys in general are suckers for these ... BBM is obviously trying to also ride on the accomplishments of FM and yet are we suckers for it? Kung talagang ginusto ng tao ang mga MArcos at sabi nga wala naman nagawa si Cory e di sana niluklok na nila si Meldy nun 1992. Its the best timing kasi makukumpara ang nagawa ni COry vs kay FM. Pero hindi e, in fact ang hina nag ipinakita nito nun eleksyon na yun at yun nanalo ay manok pa ni Cory na si FVR. Assuming mamatay si Meldy bukas ...will it catapult BBM to the presidency or at least the front runner for the vice presidency? If not then bakit hindi nakikisimpatya ang mga tao sa kanila kung maganda talaga ang experience nun panahong MArcos? Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Maraming probinsya ang wala pa sigurong kuryente at patubig sa bawat bahay kundi dahil kay Marcos. Siguro polarizing si Marcos. You can either appreciate na marami din sya naging accomplishment, or abhor him because allegedly he looted the national treasury. Isa pang problema ng mga gobyernong pumalit na ito, bakit hindi nila mahanap ni isa man lang sa mga sinabing swiss bank accounts na ito? Ni isang kaso hindi maconvict si Imelda The mere fact you said "siguro" means you are merely speculating ... Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ako hindi Loyalista ni Marcos. Hindi ko iboboto din si BBM for vice. Pero simple lang kasi ito, hangang kelan ba nyo kasi gusto sisihin si Marcos para sa lahat na lang? Ang dami ng presidente sumunod sa kanya, at sa tuwing mabibigo na iangat bansa natin, laging sisihin si Marcos. Ok granting iniwan nya bansa natin na maraming problema, eh ang tanong anong ginawa ng mga sumunod para lutasin yung problema na yan? Karamihan sa mga problemang ito lumala pa lalo! Kaya you cant blame people if they say mas umaasenso pa tayo kay Marcos, dahil di naman nila nakikita umaangat kalagayan ng bansa natin pagkatapos nya. Ano ba 30 years ng patay si Marcos, hangang kelan nyo gusto sisihin yung tao? Ni itong mga swiss bank accounts nga di mabawi bawi hangang ngayon. Anyway, para sakin lahat naman ng nagsasabi na mahal nila mahihirap at kung ano anong kaekekan, wlaa naman talaga nagawa para iangat kalagayan bansa natin. Hindi Ahmor sa mahihirap ang kelangan dito kundi gawa! Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Media plays a very important role kaya nanalo so Pnoy. The stories on the death of Cory almost portrays her as the savior of democracy and even a saint to some.And why would you think the media, both local and foreign would portray her that way? The same way, if indeed Marcos did well as president why is that the media never portrayed him to be the best we ever had? Quote Link to comment
darksoulriver Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 And why would you think the media, both local and foreign would portray her that way? The same way, if indeed Marcos did well as president why is that the media never portrayed him to be the best we ever had? like a simple question... who own the major media corporation in the Philippines? Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 And why would you think the media, both local and foreign would portray her that way? The same way, if indeed Marcos did well as president why is that the media never portrayed him to be the best we ever had? Its a matter of perspective yan. History is written by the victors. A revolution no matter how bloody will still be legitimized as long as it is successful. Kung ang axis ang nanalo nung word war II, malamang Bayani ngayon si Hitler at ang kanyang Nazi party, tapos ang US ang mga war criminals. Foreign media can say all they want that the Kims in North Korea are lunatic tyrants. But North Koreans would think otherwise, because dyos para sa kanila ang mga Kim. Kaya nga sabi, yung nangyari sa Iraq kay Saddam malayong mangyari sa ngayon sa North Korea kay Kim. Sila pa nasa taas ngayon. Stalin is remembered as one of the most evil men in the world. But in russia, many people still applaud his accomplishments. Naging superpower ang russia at hindi nagtagumpay mga Nazi na sakupin sila. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) And why would you think the media, both local and foreign would portray her that way? The same way, if indeed Marcos did well as president why is that the media never portrayed him to be the best we ever had?Media likes the Good vs evil scenario. And media likes what Cory gave to them unlike Marcos - Freedom of Speech Edited October 20, 2015 by haroots2 Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Media likes the Good vs evil scenario. And media likes what Cory gave to them unlike Marcos - Freedom of Speech Bago magumpisa ng kampanya nagpalabas MMK ng love story ni Cory Aquino at Ninoy. Si Bea Alonzo gumanap na Cory at si Piolo naman gumanap na Ninoy. Ang gagandang tao naman mga kinuha kahit di naman hawig. The timing, the romaticism, and pati na yung artistang pinili, ano pa ba ibang purpose nito kundi icondition masa na mahalin ang mga marcos. Kahit yung ABS-CBN produced Documentary na batas militar, masyadong one-sided at puro na lang pagiging masama ni Marcos yung sinasabi sa publiko. Pati yung pagpapatayo ng infrastructure na malaki naman naging pakinabang, ginagawa din masama. Alalahanin nyo, nanalo ng dalawang termino si Marcos, ibig sabihin nakumbinsi pa din nya tao na magaling sya. And yes, siguro sumablay sya sa huli, eh ang tanong, natapatan ba accomplishments nya nung mga sumunod? Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Media likes the Good vs evil scenario. And media likes what Cory gave to them unlike Marcos - Freedom of Speech errr ... did Cory gave the foreign press their freedom of speech? Which reminds me ... since Marcos did not gave the local press their freedom of speech then mas kaduda-duda naman ang pinagsasabi o pinagsusulat during his time. Right? Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 In terms sa kakayahan maging Pangulo, si FM talaga ang the best. No one question his ability to lead and perform his function as president. HIs "alleged illegal dealings" is the main reason why people don't like him especially to those lives personally affected by it. Si Cory naman baligtad yung kakayahan niya ang maraming nagtutuligsa pero when you're dead wala na yun dahil no one expects her to be that good anyways. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 errr ... did Cory gave the foreign press their freedom of speech? Which reminds me ... since Marcos did not gave the local press their freedom of speech then mas kaduda-duda naman ang pinagsasabi o pinagsusulat during his time. Right? Not lies but information coming out is somewhat tamed to avoid being backlash by the govt. during martial law. Remember those times that when you are against the govt. they consider you as leftist which link you to being a communist. If you were too young back then you wouldn't know like most millennials now. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Bago magumpisa ng kampanya nagpalabas MMK ng love story ni Cory Aquino at Ninoy. Si Bea Alonzo gumanap na Cory at si Piolo naman gumanap na Ninoy. Ang gagandang tao naman mga kinuha kahit di naman hawig. The timing, the romaticism, and pati na yung artistang pinili, ano pa ba ibang purpose nito kundi icondition masa na mahalin ang mga marcos. Wala palang pinagkaiba sa pelikulang IGINUHIT ANG TADHANA ...circa 1965 starring Luis Gonzales, Gloria Romero, Rosa Mia, Vilma Santos ... Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Wala palang pinagkaiba sa pelikulang IGINUHIT ANG TADHANA ...circa 1965 starring Luis Gonzales, Gloria Romero, Rosa Mia, Vilma Santos ... Kaya nga, History is written by the Victorious. Kung sino yung panalo at nasa kapangyarihan, sila lagi yung magiging bida. Kung nagkabaliktad ang tadhana, malamang ang mapapanood mo sa ABS-CBN na episode ng MMK love story ni Imelda at ni Ferdie. Si Anne Curtis siguro si Imelda at si Derek Ramsay naman si Ferdie... Tapos ang Dovie Beams... hmmm sino kaya? lol. At syempre kontrabida si Ninoy dito. Siguro dito isa syang komunista o kaya terorista na gusto ipapatay ang presidente. Yun lang ang dahilan bakit Bayani si Ninoy at Santa si Cory! Kasi sila yung panalo. Kahit nga ang pagkaputa ni Kris glorified na glorified pa! Iba kasi ang me utang na loob di ba? Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Not lies but information coming out is somewhat tamed to avoid being backlash by the govt. during martial law. Remember those times that when you are against the govt. they consider you as leftist which link you to being a communist. If you were too young back then you wouldn't know like most millennials now. Is censorship or not telling the people the real events that transpired because you are not allowed to say negative things about the gov't is plain and simple "TAMING"? ang turo sa akin ng nakatatanda pag may ginawa kang kasalanan halimbawa kumupit ka ng piso at umamin ka naman ng pangugupit pero ang sabi mo bentesingko sentimos lang naman para maging "tame" e katumbas pa rin yun ng pagsisinungaling. Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Is censorship or not telling the people the real events that transpired because you are not allowed to say negative things about the gov't is plain and simple "TAMING"? ang turo sa akin ng nakatatanda pag may ginawa kang kasalanan halimbawa kumupit ka ng piso at umamin ka naman ng pangugupit pero ang sabi mo bentesingko sentimos lang naman para maging "tame" e katumbas pa rin yun ng pagsisinungaling.That's why you don't believe what the media says during those times immediately because of the situation. Ang mga news editor nun medyo selective on how they choose their words. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 That's why you don't believe what the media says during those times immediately because of the situation. Ang mga news editor nun medyo selective on how they choose their words. In other words taming is tantamount to lying ... because iniba mo ang katotohanan that simple ... Quote Link to comment
r35gtr Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 He was supported by GMA, the incumbent president, during the 2010 elections. He couldn't have run out of funds.GMA dropped him in the middle of the race and rooted for VillarBreaking news. Miriam has rejected the request of a doctor for her to release her medical record, saying it is a violation of her right to privacy. I thought I already had somebody to vote for. Now, I am back to zero. I might as well just cast a blank ballot in 2016.geez, there are certain rumours on how her son commited " Suicide"What Corazon Aquino did...sell PAL to Lucio Tan samantalang pag-aari yan ng GOBYERNO cno ngayon nakikinabangWhat Fidel Ramos did...sell Bonifacio land... ni wlang naging pakinabang ang AFP sa pagkakabenta?What Erap did...sell himself to Jail...What Gloria did...say IM SORRY for Election Fraud..What PNOY did...DAP and Yolanda fund corruptions.... bakit ayaw pang ilibing sa lupang hinirang si Marcos... Multuhin sana kyo heheheDo not forget why Ramos is very rich till now, siya ang rason kaya Philippines ang may pinaka mahal ng kuryenta sa buong asea. Remember the IPP deals (Independent power producer deals) Kay mar roxas tayo! Para laging may mga show tulad ng playgirls! Malay nyo magkaron na sa pinas ng naked news. Si korina syempre ang bidang host. Kasama sila doris bigornia at susan enriquez.Mar roxas is a good Candidate pero di ko lang talaga gusto si Corina, am I weird? Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Kaya nga, History is written by the Victorious. Kung sino yung panalo at nasa kapangyarihan, sila lagi yung magiging bida. Kung nagkabaliktad ang tadhana, malamang ang mapapanood mo sa ABS-CBN na episode ng MMK love story ni Imelda at ni Ferdie. Si Anne Curtis siguro si Imelda at si Derek Ramsay naman si Ferdie... Tapos ang Dovie Beams... hmmm sino kaya? lol. At syempre kontrabida si Ninoy dito. Siguro dito isa syang komunista o kaya terorista na gusto ipapatay ang presidente. Yun lang ang dahilan bakit Bayani si Ninoy at Santa si Cory! Kasi sila yung panalo. Kahit nga ang pagkaputa ni Kris glorified na glorified pa! Iba kasi ang me utang na loob di ba? ang problema ang nagyari ay nangyari na ...tadhana ayon sa iyo. kung hindi siya naging gahaman at bumaba sa pwesto nun matapos ang ikalawang termino .. malamang bidang bida pa si APO hanggang ngayon. e ginusto niya yun diba sa pagkagahaman. ayun nangyari ang nangyari ayon sa tadhana. at tulad ng madalas nating makita ... laging nagrereklamo ang mga talunan Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 In other words taming is tantamount to lying ... because iniba mo ang katotohanan that simple ... Truth is sometimes a matter of perspective and interpretation! Have you ever heard of the Rashomon effect? You pick an interpretation of the truth the way it fits your interest. To they yellowtards they interpret the declaration of martial law as a means to keep Marcos in power because he was greedy. But to the loyalists, had martial law not been declared the communist could have taken over this country. Alalahanin nyo, yung communist movement from China and Russia spread like wildfire all over south east asia. Naapektohan ang Cambodia at Vietnam. Kung nagkataon siguro, baka Mala Pol Pot pa ang namuno sa bansa natin. Quote Link to comment
Edmund Dantes Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 ang problema ang nagyari ay nangyari na ...tadhana ayon sa iyo. kung hindi siya naging gahaman at bumaba sa pwesto nun matapos ang ikalawang termino .. malamang bidang bida pa si APO hanggang ngayon. e ginusto niya yun diba sa pagkagahaman. ayun nangyari ang nangyari ayon sa tadhana. at tulad ng madalas nating makita ... laging nagrereklamo ang mga talunan Ang mga Aquino ba hindi gahaman? Oligarchs ang Cojuangco-Aquino clan. Hacienda Luisita? Duh! Pero sila panalo, so hindi sila demonized ng media. Isa pa, tumatanaw nga ng utang na loob ang mga Lopez sa mga Aquino. Kita mo naman, san ka makakakita babaeng pumatol sa me asawa at nagkatulo glorified na glorified pa! Si Erap di ba? Convicted plunderer! Bobo na nga, nagnakaw pa! Pero is he demonized like Marcos? No! Because panalo pa din sya sa huli. Nakipagkasundo kay GMA, kaya ayun ngayon manila mayor na. History is written by the victorious Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Truth is sometimes a matter of perspective and interpretation! Have you ever heard of the Rashomon effect? You pick an interpretation of the truth the way it fits your interest. To they yellowtards they interpret the declaration of martial law as a means to keep Marcos in power because he was greedy. But to the loyalists, had martial law not been declared the communist could have taken over this country. Alalahanin nyo, yung communist movement from China and Russia spread like wildfire all over south east asia. Naapektohan ang Cambodia at Vietnam. Kung nagkataon siguro, baka Mala Pol Pot pa ang namuno sa bansa natin. so let me ask you ... alin sa dalawang perspective ang pinaniniwalaan mo? Yun "truth for you" Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Ang mga Aquino ba hindi gahaman? Oligarchs ang Cojuangco-Aquino clan. Hacienda Luisita? Duh! Pero sila panalo, so hindi sila demonized ng media. Isa pa, tumatanaw nga ng utang na loob ang mga Lopez sa mga Aquino. Kita mo naman, san ka makakakita babaeng pumatol sa me asawa at nagkatulo glorified na glorified pa! Si Erap di ba? Convicted plunderer! Bobo na nga, nagnakaw pa! Pero is he demonized like Marcos? No! Because panalo pa din sya sa huli. Nakipagkasundo kay GMA, kaya ayun ngayon manila mayor na. History is written by the victorious nanalo ang aquino dahil sa kagagawan din ni Marcos sa sarili niya ... tulad ng sinabi ko kung bumaba sa pwesto si Marcos after his 2nd term then ... end of story. Bida siya ... siya ang panalo. Kaso bida na naging contra-bida pa. Do you think Cory would be in the picture kung nag exit na lang si Makoy? Tulad ng sinabi ko si Makoy ang bida hanggang ngayon at yun mga sumunod ang contra-bida kung ganito pa rin tayo. We wouldn't even know if iCory, Ramos, Erap, GMA and Pnoy would have been president. Pero ginusto niya yon e at yun ang kanyang "tadhana" Quote Link to comment
haroots2 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 nanalo ang aquino dahil sa kagagawan din ni Marcos sa sarili niya ... tulad ng sinabi ko kung bumaba sa pwesto si Marcos after his 2nd term then ... end of story. Bida siya ... siya ang panalo. Kaso bida na naging contra-bida pa. Do you think Cory would be in the picture kung nag exit na lang si Makoy? Tulad ng sinabi ko si Makoy ang bida hanggang ngayon at yun mga sumunod ang contra-bida kung ganito pa rin tayo. We wouldn't even know if iCory, Ramos, Erap, GMA and Pnoy would have been president. Pero ginusto niya yon e at yun ang kanyang "tadhana" I agree with you here. Even with his health deteriorated ayaw pa rin niyang umalis Kumandidato pa for a snap election e hindi na siya fit nun to be a president. Quote Link to comment
rooster69ph Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) One issue against Marcos was his declaration of martial law on August 21, 1972 to quell the communist rebellion and reform Philippine society. In my interviews with him while he was on Christmas furlough at his Times Street residence, Ninoy disclosed he would declare martial law if he were elected president. Malinaw naman siguro na ang sinangayunan ni Ninoy ay ang pagdeklara ng Martial Law to quell the communist rebellion and reform the Phil. Society. Sinabi ba niya na sinasangayunan niya ang ilang na nangyari sa ML tulad ng ... lies, fear, injustice, censorship, poverty, arrogance of those in power na maaring mabasa dito ... What Martial Law was like Higit sa lahat kung si Ninoy ang nagpatupad ng ML, gagamitin din kaya niya ito para maluklok ng mas matagal sa pwesto? IMHO para sa iba yun ML mismo ang issue ... IMHO HINDI! Ang mga pangyayaring naganap nun panahon ng ML ang issue. Edited October 22, 2015 by rooster69ph Quote Link to comment
xoxocaptain Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Ferdinand Marcos- the best president ever Pnoy- the worst of them all. Quote Link to comment
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