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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:58 AM

Maybe the mods will excuse this topic as belonging to POLITICS, ECONOMY & CURRENT EVENTS instead of RELIGION.

A kingdom is a government or a political system. Prophesy has it that this Kingdom has no end and will wipe off tears from our eyes. Jesus says that his kingdom is not of this world and the problem every Christian is made to understand is that this world is ruled by darkness. Jesus had to die because that is the condition back then. What the Gospels state is the 2nd coming of Christ is the time when mankind would let this Kingdom rule (politically). I surmise that this is just what the faithful pray for in the Lord's Prayer - Thy Kingdom come Thy Will be done on Earth as in Heaven.

Since God is Creator, He understands that we need help in fulfillment of this Kingdom. Mankind got Free Will so God is just waiting for mankind to wake up to this reality. I mean men would exercise Free Will and decide collectively what is the best thing to do. The fail safe and PERFECT solution to the human condition is this KINGDOM OF GOD. It is a spiritual kingdom where life on Earth is treated as a step towards eternal life in Heaven. It will be where men would take a sober look at humanity and the way it was made by the SOURCE.




In this Kingdom, everyone is supposed to be brothers and sisters. The SONS who do the Will of God are given responsibilities and they SERVE the rest. Since God is King, there is no need for tithes. Rather instead of sacrificial offering to the Almighty, Jesus taught us CHARITY instead. He wants us to do to the LEAST of his brethren what you would have done to the Lord. In other words, since God is where all God things come from, we offer to God whatever we do to those in need instead.




Today we got government that is part of the darkness. Tax collection is oppressive since we all know that the taxes are gambled away to non performing projects that subsidize ignorance and shameful corruption. Do we need to wait for this monster to force everyone to accept a mark or tag in order to control trade and guarantee profits for the many kingdoms that men make? Can't we see where all these are leading to? Political Control by men is far different from God since God is omnipotent. Men will try to act ALMIGHTY and devise physical ways for human CONTROL but that will be flawed and many will be able defy it. In its frustration, evil will multiply and many will perish. Of course there is no stopping governments to create news of wickedness in an effort to increase political power and gain more control over society. In the end, mankind will just undergo an exercise in futility. They will spend the last of their energies and devote their lives to a lost cause.









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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:03 PM

holy crap. an exclusive kingdom for judeo christians.

the egyptians, the chinese, the south americans, the native americans have not been included in this exclusive club even though they are contemporaries in culture.

any "kingdom" that discriminates races is crap IMO

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 04:32 AM

holy crap. an exclusive kingdom for judeo christians.

the egyptians, the chinese, the south americans, the native americans have not been included in this exclusive club even though they are contemporaries in culture.

any "kingdom" that discriminates races is crap IMO


God is Spirit so if there is any form of discrimination, it shall be between good and bad, holy and wicked, true or false.

Jesus declared that men are wrong about judgement since the ruler of this World has already been judged. Lucifer has been dicriminated and is now Satan. Satan got a place separate and distinct from Heaven and that place is called Hell. Both are spiritual dwelling areas. God lives in Heaven but completely removed from Hell.

Men are expected to exercise Free Will. If Free Will for you is a process of discrimination, then maybe you.will realize the sober TRUTH that you have been given the power to make choices for your individual welfare. God is in you. However, as human, you got the ability to sit as judge and reject goodness. You can follow the ruler of this world to Hell or wake up and realize the great deception. But ultimately, the choices are yours to make so blame neither God or your fellow man for the mistakes you make.

Maybe it is best for you to visit a digital Bible website and query about God's people will include all races and people. Would you believe that it is mentioned by Prophets like Ishiah?

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 08:44 AM

religion and politics are not good subjects for conversation..IMHO

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 10:54 AM

AWFUL HORROR


The Awful Horror is mentioned in the Gospels. Once you see the Awful Horror in a place where it should not be, then stand out and be counted since the Kingdom of God is close.


What then is the Awful Horror?


The Prophet Daniel talks about this at length but the real Awful Horror began with Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel only interpreted his dream. The King of Babylon was the one who saw the Awful Horror and his reaction was the reason for the name Awful Horror.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=58Zd_aTP_8I


Read SOURCE: WIkipedia on Daniel 2

Over the centuries, scholars have proposed two alternative interpretations regarding the identification of the four kingdoms in Daniel 2. The oldest view holds that the second kingdom of silver represents the Persian Achaemenid Empire, which historically succeeded the Babylonian Empire. As the Persian empire already included the Median Empire by this time, it is sometimes referred to as the "Medo-Persian Empire". An alternate view considers Median empire as a separate one in relation to the Daniel narrative, notwithstanding the fact that the Median Empire alone never historically succeeded the Babylonian one.


Historicist interpretation[edit]
The following Historicist interpretation of the vision of the image has traditionally been prevalent among Christian scholars since the 1st CE.

  • Head of gold - Babylon
  • Breast and arms of silver- Medo-Persia
  • Belly and thighs of brass- Hellenistic Greece
  • Legs of iron - Rome
  • Feet partly of iron and partly of molded clay - The divided Roman Empire
  • Rock - Kingdom of God
The following table lists nearly every known Biblical scholar from the 1st to the 19th centuries who used the Historicist methodology to interpret the vision from the 1st to 19th centuries.

The Historicist interpretation of the visions of Daniel was a major influence for the Protestant Reformation. "The Reformation ... was really born of a twofold discovery--first, the rediscovery of Christ and His salvation; and second, the discovery of the identity of Antichrist and his subversions."[46]"The reformers were unanimous in its acceptance. And it was this interpretation of prophecy that lent emphasis to their reformatory action. It led them to protest against Rome with extraordinary strength and undaunted courage. ... This was the rallying point and the battle cry that made the Reformation unconquerable."[47]



Modern scholars who hold this view are: E. J. Young, Gerhard Pfandl,[48][49] and John F. Walvoord.[36] Evangelicals, such as Henrietta C. Mears, and Billy Graham also share this view.[50]


Edited by jacuzzi, 06 March 2014 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 06 March 2014 - 11:28 AM

Socialism is an error since it may be going against the image of the human idol, but it is still rooted on the Human Kingdom solution. Thus the political party acts like royalty. Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot are no different from the notorious kings like King Henry the VIII, King Philip the fair of France, King John of England.or the host of kings that came from the barbaric tribes of the Holy Roman Empire.




The EDSA People Power was a good start since Marcos was inclined to follow the example of the British Empire and create a dynasty of sorts. But Cory and the leftists blew the good start towards God's Kingdom. Now her son is taking this country even deeper to the Awful Horror. In fact, current events would prove that Filipinos are gaining a foothold towards aligning with the British Empire. The problem with that is all these things we are working for will soon be demolished since these are all man made and not of God. We are wasting time and a lot of lives are being lost already. Come to think of it, God is making this happen via calamities and disasters, one after another until we finally confess that God is the answer.




We are made to support government that got stuck in a lost cause and it is getting to be more and more expensive to maintain with fundamental error made to look like a product of genius by propaganda.









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Posted 06 March 2014 - 09:18 PM

God is Spirit so if there is any form of discrimination, it shall be between good and bad, holy and wicked, true or false.

Jesus declared that men are wrong about judgement since the ruler of this World has already been judged. Lucifer has been dicriminated and is now Satan. Satan got a place separate and distinct from Heaven and that place is called Hell. Both are spiritual dwelling areas. God lives in Heaven but completely removed from Hell.

Men are expected to exercise Free Will. If Free Will for you is a process of discrimination, then maybe you.will realize the sober TRUTH that you have been given the power to make choices for your individual welfare. God is in you. However, as human, you got the ability to sit as judge and reject goodness. You can follow the ruler of this world to Hell or wake up and realize the great deception. But ultimately, the choices are yours to make so blame neither God or your fellow man for the mistakes you make.

Maybe it is best for you to visit a digital Bible website and query about God's people will include all races and people. Would you believe that it is mentioned by Prophets like Ishiah?


so what about all those people who lived before this jesus in china? in north and south america? or even europe? are they just manure to these jews? how very exclusive of this club who claims to "save souls" but tolerates slavery and do not give equal rights to women

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Posted 06 March 2014 - 09:21 PM

religion and politics are not good subjects for conversation..IMHO


the rapist frailes once ruled this country for 300 years. it resulted in a revolution

so much for this jesus inspired government

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 03:35 AM

so what about all those people who lived before this jesus in china? in north and south america? or even europe? are they just manure to these jews? how very exclusive of this club who claims to "save souls" but tolerates slavery and do not give equal rights to women

You need to read and educate yourself.

Jews came into the picture as a result of King Solomon taking foreign wives. The Kingdom of Israel was divided and the greater portion became the Kingdom of Judea. Judaism became the official religion that required a layer of interpreters or keepers and lawyers of Scriptures, that during the time of Jesus were called Scribes and Pharisees.

Jesus came to tear the kingdom away from the Jews and gave it to the gentiles. Gentiles do not represent any particular race or creed other than it in non-Jewish. Perhaps being a Gentile is all about not being attached to a particular culture with hardened beliefs or religion, and got an open mind towards education or change. This is what Jesus refers to as the new wineskin. Jesus is the new covenant and the Gentles were entasked to spread the Good News of the Kingdom of God to all people and all races. The new wine is put in new wineskins metaphor.

Moreover, there is a book in the Old Testaments about Jews saved from annihilation by the marriage of a heroine Esther to Xerxes, the Persian King. If you are familiar with the movie 300, then you would know Xerxes as the villain King who fought the Greeks in a failed invasion attempt. If this topic about the Awful Horror is correct then it relates the fact that Jews by its relationship to the Queen of Persia, wife of Xerxes, belong to the chest and arms of the human idol.

Jews have been characterized by Shakespere in his work Merchant of Venice as shrewed in business. This reputation of Jews is probably the heart and soul of the human idol too. Anyway, no use in discriminating against Jews who Catholic Hitler wanted to annihilate in World War 2. Let us go by the fact that the Jews were preserved because thet thrived during the reign of Persian King Xerxes. On the other hand, its arch enemy Israel vanished and was completely replaced by Judaism around the same time.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:36 PM

You need to read and educate yourself.

Jews came into the picture as a result of King Solomon taking foreign wives. The Kingdom of Israel was divided and the greater portion became the Kingdom of Judea. Judaism became the official religion that required a layer of interpreters or keepers and lawyers of Scriptures, that during the time of Jesus were called Scribes and Pharisees.

Jesus came to tear the kingdom away from the Jews and gave it to the gentiles. Gentiles do not represent any particular race or creed other than it in non-Jewish. Perhaps being a Gentile is all about not being attached to a particular culture with hardened beliefs or religion, and got an open mind towards education or change. This is what Jesus refers to as the new wineskin. Jesus is the new covenant and the Gentles were entasked to spread the Good News of the Kingdom of God to all people and all races. The new wine is put in new wineskins metaphor.

Moreover, there is a book in the Old Testaments about Jews saved from annihilation by the marriage of a heroine Esther to Xerxes, the Persian King. If you are familiar with the movie 300, then you would know Xerxes as the villain King who fought the Greeks in a failed invasion attempt. If this topic about the Awful Horror is correct then it relates the fact that Jews by its relationship to the Queen of Persia, wife of Xerxes, belong to the chest and arms of the human idol.

Jews have been characterized by Shakespere in his work Merchant of Venice as shrewed in business. This reputation of Jews is probably the heart and soul of the human idol too. Anyway, no use in discriminating against Jews who Catholic Hitler wanted to annihilate in World War 2. Let us go by the fact that the Jews were preserved because thet thrived during the reign of Persian King Xerxes. On the other hand, its arch enemy Israel vanished and was completely replaced by Judaism around the same time.


so what does your education say about jesus preaching to the chinese? I bet those jewish writers never heard about the Incans or the Mayans or the native american tribes or the eskimos. `jesus preached to the jews, not to the barbarians.

so the question still remains: what did this exclusive club do to "save the souls" of people the jewish writers never even heard about? so what did your education tell you about that?

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 06:37 PM

This is a religious thread based on my readings, moving this to the religion area.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:18 AM

Don't we have another mod who may realize that this belongs to the political thread instead? Religions are different that governments. Religions deal with sacraments and prayers while governments deal with policies and political platforms.




FYI the two world wars were about the revival of the Holy Roman Empire. It was all political issue. The Third Reich is about German reign that started with Charlemagne (1st) then Bismark of World War I (2nd) before Hitler and NAZIs (World War 2). World War 3 may just be around the corner, thus reason for the thread. The Holy Roman Empire is the feet of the Human Idol.




When Rizal and our national heroes were martyred, the conflict was never about religion but politics. In fact, Filipinos were called Juan de la Cruz because they did not lose faith. The effect of the oppression by the Spanish friars was the establishment of an independent church - by Aglipay which was like Anglican that is today's Church of England that originated from the defiance of Henry VIII to take the advise of the Pope .





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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:44 AM

so what does your education say about jesus preaching to the chinese? I bet those jewish writers never heard about the Incans or the Mayans or the native american tribes or the eskimos. `jesus preached to the jews, not to the barbarians.

so the question still remains: what did this exclusive club do to "save the souls" of people the jewish writers never even heard about? so what did your education tell you about that?

Dude, please refrain from turning this into a religious thread since you are completely ignorant of the Christian religion. I am just helping you understand hat you ought to know if you have been an average Filipino. It seems you are not. Where do you come from?

Check out the topic. The human Idol has been there for some time already when the Gospels prophesy against it. If the feet or base of this human idol is the Holy Roman Empire, then your issues would have been answered using common sense. The source of oppression and persecution is the human idol.

Even China suffered from Mongolian Rule, which can be argued to be part of the foot base of the Awful Horror since the Khans were barbarians who inter-married with the chieftains of its conquered lands that extend to parts of Russia, Poland, and crossing the seas to present day Iran and Iraq in the Middle East.

The Kingdom of God is not the same as the Human Idol. Yet the world including MTC members confuse idolatry of the Awful Horror with Christianity.

Edited by hit05, 10 March 2014 - 08:56 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2014 - 07:09 AM

It is really sad that the Philippines is a Third World country. Politicians do not read to investigate. Some of them are miserably gullible and after reading Marx or Mao, try to internalize and memorize the ideas without much reflection. They become soldiers for a cause that is likely false, Worse is they restrict their freedoms to the intellectual prison that they made by choice not realizing that they are victims of a man made religion.

You do not need a God to have a religion. In fact the earliest human civilizations were centered on religions or a way of understanding things. The pagan gods back then were the elements of nature. It is no different from the current craze in ENVIRONMENTALISM which is promoted consciously like a religion complete with chants, worship of idols of the movement and payment of huge amounts of penalties and OFFERINGS to the environment so it would continue to bless us with good surroundings.

The most published book in the World, the Bible is used by a handful of religions and often attacked by atheists who fail to find it useful. But the Bible is beyond religion since even literature borrows a lot from the recycling of plots and situations which are found in this age-defying Book of Life. In fact many of the classics of Shakespeare resemble stories found in Scriptures. If you need to tell a story that would make sense from start to finish, then pattern it after a Bible story and you can never go wrong.












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Posted 14 March 2014 - 05:56 PM

Hi Jacuzzi, what exactly is this religion that will be saved by the good Lord?

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:42 PM

daming satsat pero hindi pa rin masagot ang tanong:

sino ang nagligtas sa mga kaluluwa ng mga taong hindi napuntahan ng jewish preachers?

isama na dito ang mga sinaunang Pilipino, ginawa ba sila para hayaan lang mamatay ng walang magliligtas sa kaluluwa nila?

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 08:47 PM

SLAVERY is legal in judeo-christian society.


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


(My favorite) When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

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Posted 14 March 2014 - 10:05 PM

Reading a book is not about taking small bits and pieces and then creating a huge opinion out of them in the pretense that is the book's message.




FYI, you need to study the book. Realize that the USA got divided and fought a civil war exactly to defend the providential constitution it got. The preposition is that all men are created equal (before God).

Let me ask you, why did Israel become a slave nation in Egypt? Was it because they were punished or is it due to your poor analogy that slavery is alright? The issue about treating your neighbor as yourself is the first lesson that Israel was taught. But Israel is a slave of disobedience - that is the plot of the story. Had Israel been faithful, then the Kingdom of God would have become reality in Moses' time. But Moses predicted that Israel was stubborn and would one day imitate their neighbors and have a king. Moses insists that only God is King.




But I am glad you brought this topic out. History would reveal that NAZI Germans did not punish the Jews but wanted to supplant them as the chosen race. In other words, the false claims to the birthright given by Isaac to his twin sons where the elder is MASTER to the younger son is what NAZI Germans wanted. However, the NAZI political party failed to read past Moses. Like you they created an opinion based on limited data.




SLAVERY is legal in judeo-christian society.


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)


If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)


When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


(My favorite) When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)



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Posted 14 March 2014 - 10:12 PM

Hi Jacuzzi, what exactly is this religion that will be saved by the good Lord?

I am not sure if you understood my post. Religion is not the topic here. Reason for the protest.



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 11:17 AM

Come to think of it, the Temple of Solomon was demolished by the Babylonians - who represents the golden head of the Awful Horror. So that the Horrible Abomination stopped worship in the original temple which can be symbolic of the ascent of Israel as a nation, as laid out ages beforehand by the written books of Moses.

When Jesus arrived, he was under the authority of Jews and Romans - the chest and legs of the human idol. The message of Truth was persecuted and Jesus was condemned to die. Again, the Awful Horror struck and killed Jesus, just like the prophets in Jerusalem who were murdered in the altar.

It is amazing that the American patriarchs foresaw the problem and established government independence to avoid religious politics in the Old World, which went against the preachings of Christ. The Old World then was fragmented by perpetual wars, demolishing the Christian message of peace and unity.

Thus, if all these have happened already, then I suppose we are getting closer to the Kingdom of God. What I mean is to join the bandwagon towards the Awful Horror is really getting sucked big time by the ignorance of our clueless leaders.




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