Jump to content


Photo

Traffic Problem In Metro Manila (Merged Thread)

MRT LRT Traffic violation

  • Please log in to reply
1018 replies to this topic

#1001 Liquid Dream

Liquid Dream

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 102 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:37 PM

Kung gagawan naman ng batas sa Age limit ng Car sa edsa, sa tingin ko mas may pag asa pumasa or mauuna pa pumasa kesa sa i phase out ang jeepney. Sa jeepney kasi tsak may magrarally. Andyan yung grupo ng piston at mahaba habang isyu at balita sa tv yan which is iniiwasan ng mga politiko. Sa private car ba may nakita na tayong nagrarally? Wala di ba.

Edited by Liquid Dream, 03 September 2019 - 08:40 PM.


#1002 will robie

will robie

    Philanderer

  • BANNED
  • 3,099 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 04 September 2019 - 10:56 AM

Kung gagawan naman ng batas sa Age limit ng Car sa edsa, sa tingin ko mas may pag asa pumasa or mauuna pa pumasa kesa sa i phase out ang jeepney. Sa jeepney kasi tsak may magrarally. Andyan yung grupo ng piston at mahaba habang isyu at balita sa tv yan which is iniiwasan ng mga politiko. Sa private car ba may nakita na tayong nagrarally? Wala di ba.

It is not about whether you rally or not. There were a plethora of schemes for private cars. Is it still being implemented? The private car owners don't need to rally as there are groups of private car owners that express their displeasure and call on politicians to intervene for them. 



#1003 Liquid Dream

Liquid Dream

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 102 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 04 September 2019 - 01:02 PM

It is not about whether you rally or not. There were a plethora of schemes for private cars. Is it still being implemented? The private car owners don't need to rally as there are groups of private car owners that express their displeasure and call on politicians to intervene for them. 


Then, it might depend on who will suggest it. Politicians are more or will likely take the safer side. And it is always expected that there will be someone to go against.

#1004 darksoulriver

darksoulriver

    God of Lust

  • (11) Wyld
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,729 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pasay

Posted 04 September 2019 - 10:50 PM

suggest ko nga extreme car coding...

 

1-5 monday

6-0 tuesday

1-5 wed

6-0 thurs

1-5 friday

6-0 saturday

 

private and public except govt vehicles like ambulance firetrucks police mobile.

 

no coding sunday


Edited by darksoulriver, 04 September 2019 - 10:52 PM.


#1005 tk421

tk421

    Lover

  • (07) Avid Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,649 posts

Posted 09 September 2019 - 11:23 AM

What you're proposing is just like the odd-even traffic scheme they've experimented with before.

 

I think it ultimately failed due to public pressure.

 

It failed because of same people who are calling for a solution to heavy traffic now, yet don't want to be part of the solution themselves.


  • darksoulriver likes this

#1006 darksoulriver

darksoulriver

    God of Lust

  • (11) Wyld
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,729 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pasay

Posted 10 September 2019 - 08:10 PM

What you're proposing is just like the odd-even traffic scheme they've experimented with before.

 

I think it ultimately failed due to public pressure.

 

It failed because of same people who are calling for a solution to heavy traffic now, yet don't want to be part of the solution themselves.

 

yung odd-even coding ksi depende yan sa dami ng kotse... napuna ko yan sa makati area na kapag monday coding 1-2 kokonte ang sasakyan pero pagdating ng tuesday sobrang traffic same time yung biyahe. means hindi parepareho ang dami ng sasakyan base sa odd or even scheme. at isa pa walang dpat may window hour

 

kung gagamitin ang coding na gnun... siguradong luwag ang mga main road like Edsa at C5

 

yung ang problem madaling madale ng public pressure pero dapat ang Govt ang masusunod at hindi ang private sector.

 

tutal mas madaming private vehicle keysa sa public transport


Edited by darksoulriver, 10 September 2019 - 08:11 PM.


#1007 tk421

tk421

    Lover

  • (07) Avid Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,649 posts

Posted 11 September 2019 - 10:24 AM

That's because they've bastardized the "odd-even" scheme. In the early part of the 90's it was a true odd-even (1-3-5-7-9 and 2-4-6-8-0). Then people complained that half of the time their cars were in the garage, so they "modernized" it to the absurdity it is right now. One of the chief complaints were that vehicles that got banned 3 days on weekdays, but the other half only got banned 2 days per weekday (similar to what you're proposing) was an unfair rule.


Edited by tk421, 11 September 2019 - 10:30 AM.


#1008 camiar

camiar

    Camiar

  • (10) Super Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,428 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 11 September 2019 - 07:01 PM

^^^ They did not bastardize the odd-even scheme. They simply did not implement it because it is unfair as you have explained.

 

The 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9-0 weekdays coding scheme is more acceptable as being equitable. 

 

Unfortunately in the past, car buyers can choose what number they  want for their plates, which skewed the normal number distribution, as darksoulriver points out.  You can no longer choose your car plate numbers nowadays.  So, eventually, it will go back to normal distribution. 

 

The traffic nightmare we have are because of poor driver discipline, inefficient bus system, insufficient commuter train capacity, and insufficient alternative roads.

 

What we should strive for is:

 

1. Remove the obsolescent mode of public transport -- padjaks, tricycles, jeepneys (send them to the provinces)

2. Strictly regulate the buses and taxis to force bus and taxi companies to modernize their units, make them comfortable, and adopt an efficient unit dispatching system

3. Strictly regulate the abusive UV Express to stop them from overcrowding their units and follow strictly the original point-to-point scheme.

4. Strictly implement road clearing campaign to rid side streets of illegally parked cars, to open up alternate routes.

5. Add more trains, add more train lines

6. Add more roads, expressways, beltways.

7. Move the industrial and manufacturing plants away from the metropolitan areas.

 

If we can do all these, we don't need the number coding schemes.


Edited by camiar, 11 September 2019 - 07:17 PM.


#1009 will robie

will robie

    Philanderer

  • BANNED
  • 3,099 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 11 September 2019 - 10:00 PM

The traffic flow is reportedly improving in Edsa because of the involvement of the HPG. The MMDA-HPG can't change the volume of cars traversing Edsa but they can change the flow. The traffic flow is improving due to the discipline that drivers have because of the HPG. 



#1010 tk421

tk421

    Lover

  • (07) Avid Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,649 posts

Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:37 PM

Maybe somebody was in denial that the true odd-even was truly implemented. Anyways, here's the full text of the regulation:

 

http://www.mmda.gov...._Reg_95-001.pdf (95 stands for 1995, remember that)

 

And here's an excerpt from MMDA Reg. 96-04 (96... as in 1996.)

 

Attached File  96-04.jpg   94.41KB   0 downloads


Edited by tk421, 12 September 2019 - 05:37 PM.


#1011 haroots2

haroots2

    Sensualist

  • (10) Super Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,242 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:47 PM

The traffic flow is reportedly improving in Edsa because of the involvement of the HPG. The MMDA-HPG can't change the volume of cars traversing Edsa but they can change the flow. The traffic flow is improving due to the discipline that drivers have because of the HPG. 

 

Nung Tuesday it took me 20 mins. from MRT station north EDSA to Mother Ignacia EDSA during morning rush hour.  Na late tuloy ako.  Last week hindi naman ganun.



#1012 will robie

will robie

    Philanderer

  • BANNED
  • 3,099 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 September 2019 - 06:44 PM

 

Nung Tuesday it took me 20 mins. from MRT station north EDSA to Mother Ignacia EDSA during morning rush hour.  Na late tuloy ako.  Last week hindi naman ganun.

Ganun ba?

 

So sino dapat paniwalaan sa inyo ng Philippine Star?

 

 

https://www.philstar...ve-edsa-traffic

Edited by will robie, 12 September 2019 - 06:45 PM.


#1013 camiar

camiar

    Camiar

  • (10) Super Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,428 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 September 2019 - 06:26 PM

Maybe somebody was in denial that the true odd-even was truly implemented. Anyways, here's the full text of the regulation:

 

http://www.mmda.gov...._Reg_95-001.pdf (95 stands for 1995, remember that)

 

And here's an excerpt from MMDA Reg. 96-04 (96... as in 1996.)

 

attachicon.gif96-04.jpg

The odd even scheme of the late 90's were experimental and focused on public utility vehicles. The coverage then was limited to rush hour periods of 7-9 AM and 5-7 pm. It can be  hardly called implementation at all, unless you believe your favorite politicians.

 

The real reduction scheme that is universally implemented by local governments even outside Metro Manila is the current one because it is accepted as more equitable, easier to understand and implement.

 

But whatever reduction scheme they come up with will eventually fail because we are not addressing the root of the problem, which is lack of infrastructure and outmoded transportation system.  



#1014 will robie

will robie

    Philanderer

  • BANNED
  • 3,099 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 September 2019 - 10:30 PM

I blame Grace Poe for not granting emergency powers for traffic. Her opponents would find it easy to discredit her if she runs for president in 2022 by saying that Poe had a chance to help in assuaging the terrible traffic situation but she did not help in granting emergency powers for traffic. 


  • pinpoint015 likes this

#1015 bonanas

bonanas

    Hottie

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 316 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:06 AM

Sumobra traffic when the small affordable cars flooded the metro. Majority now can easily avail the car even those without own parking space in their house. Bakit hindi ba bigyan ng Age limit yung mga car na nag tratravel along edsa? That way yung mga older car ay madisttribute sa mga provinces. Like if your car model is 10 years of age, dapat bawal na sa edsa. Di lang puro dagdag ng car, goverment should strategize how to effectively control the volume.

 

Correct, di proportion yung pag usbong ng dami ng sasakyan maski tao sa available na kalsada. Tapos yung kalsada satin dito sa Pilipinas, sa motor vehicle lang. Pag umuwi ka galing abroad lalo na matagal tagal, sobrang pansin mo dito yung kipot ng kalsada tas yung bangketa natin di din magamit, lahat di pinapagamit, mayaman o mahirap. Yung sidewalk naging basketball court, extra parking ng bangko, bentahan ng pagkain, etc.

 

3rd worlding pa din talaga ang Pinoys maski saang aspeto at kahit anong antas, mahirap o mayaman.


  • dungeonbaby and Liquid Dream like this

#1016 Admiral Kunkka

Admiral Kunkka

    Hottie

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 301 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cladd
  • Interests:Tidebringer, Majestic Leviathan, Neptunian Sabre, Claddish Navy

Posted 04 October 2019 - 06:02 PM

One of the reasons why it's more fun living in the Philippines

#1017 Yoda18

Yoda18

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 146 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 14 October 2019 - 01:51 PM

https://www.philstar...ed-43-years-ago



#1018 mark1981

mark1981

    Chaser

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 66 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 14 October 2019 - 02:03 PM

Volume is the issue, too many 4-7 seaters. 

 

Add more trains, buses, push for carpooling atleast 4 people

 

take out private vehicles (send them to the provinces)



#1019 camiar

camiar

    Camiar

  • (10) Super Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,428 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:52 PM

Volume is the issue, too many 4-7 seaters. 

 

Add more trains, buses, push for carpooling atleast 4 people

 

take out private vehicles (send them to the provinces)

If volume is the issue, then the answer is more roads and have the alternate routes cleared of illegally parked vehicles. That's being done. Traffic is still heavy in EDSA and major routes. But it's easier to drive now in alternate routes that have been cleared.

 

We are adding more trains and more lines. That's being done. 

 

Yes, there should be more buses, taxis, school buses and Grab. There should be less jeepneys, and tricycles.

 

They tried carpooling lane in Los Angeles. It didn't work there. It wouldn't work here.

 

Take out the private vehicles? Obviously you don't own one.






1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users