Jump to content


Photo

Abortion: When Is It Not A Sin?


  • Please log in to reply
155 replies to this topic

#1 revi

revi

    Boy Tisoy All The Way!!!

  • (11) Wyld
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6373 posts
  • Location:Marikina
  • Interests:NBA Cards (Duncan)<br />Badminton<br />Rock Music (Punk/Metal/NewWave)<br />Marvel Comics<br />SEX - hehehe!

Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:20 PM

A friend of mine got impregnated due to adultery.. She says she had an affair a few months back from today.. And the guy who she had an affair with left after knowing that she is pregnant with him.. She knows its his because her husband has not made love to her for over six months.. Why? She would not let him.. Says she does not love him anymore.. And to make matters worse, is that the guy is a good provider, loving and understanding.. He has not done anything to her that would make her lose that love.. (How do I know this? Well, she told me herself.) And to compound everything is that they have a child who is now 6 years old..

Her husband learned about the infidelity and the unborn child but asked her to give the child up by aborting it, if she still would want to continue on with the relationship.. The wife wanted out of the relationship but cared for her child's (from her real husband) well-being.. Fearing of the consequences if a separation shall be done, she reluctantly had the baby aborted just last week.. But right now, she is really suffering miserably and no amount of comforting from anyone has made her lose the thought that she killed a life from her own womb..

I told her that it is wrong, but it was needed.. And maybe, God would understand and if she really is remorseful, than maybe God would forgive her from the adultery to the abortion.. What do you think? How about rape victims?

Rape victims who get impregnated, on the other hand, in the Islamic law are allowed to decide the fate of the baby.. But in adultery, Islamic law states otherwise.. What is your stand?

Edited by revi, 05 August 2009 - 02:21 PM.


#2 angel_by_day

angel_by_day

    God of Lust

  • UNREGISTERED
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9018 posts

Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:40 PM

the only condition that i know of, which excuses, and allows this act, is medically-related.

in bioethics in med school, we were taught to choose the lesser evil.

in our cancer patients who are pregnant, for example, we make sure that both husband/partner and wife are aware of the risks and benefits....
we can give chemo/radiotherapy during the first trimester, but spontaneous abortion would be a risk, and should be expected; this would have the benefit, though, of prolonging the mom's life.

or we can forego and do away with the treatment, and wait for full-term delivery, but will put the mom at risk of dying.

we always leave the choice to them, after presenting the options.

#3 theKobester24

theKobester24

    Chaser

  • (03) Newbie
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 56 posts

Posted 05 August 2009 - 02:59 PM

it's not a sin...when you're American

#4 imijin

imijin

    Lover

  • (06) Chronic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1499 posts

Posted 06 August 2009 - 10:55 AM

only when the life of the mother is at stake... Thats all I know..

#5 skitz

skitz

    almost happy

  • Ambassador
  • 7362 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:QC
  • Interests:Wine, women, and song. Not to be confused with liquored up whiny women who sing.

Posted 06 August 2009 - 11:02 AM

only when the life of the mother is at stake... Thats all I know..

CORRECT! And let us further qualify that. The mother's life is at stake because of the pregnancy (and not because your father/husband is going to k*ll if ever they found out). The fetus is HUMAN LIFE. "Self-defence" is the only legal reason to end someone's life.

Edited by skitz, 06 August 2009 - 11:03 AM.


#6 Guest_FL_*

Guest_FL_*
  • Guests

Posted 07 August 2009 - 11:08 PM

FOR ME...abortion is a sin, you can never justify it. There is no such thing as small and big sin, murder, adultery, lying, stealing, saying bad things about others,these are all sin and all sins are equal. If she ask for forgiveness and repent, im very sure the LORD will forgive her. God is forgiving and He gives countless chances.

#7 yanzmyk

yanzmyk

    Red Dog

  • (06) Chronic Poster
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1191 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 16 August 2009 - 06:27 PM

Ooooohhhh.... Very touchy topic.

Just to add firewood to the flame so to speak, would abortion be justifiable if let's say the fetus was diagnosed as having no limbs, or has autism, or any debilitating disease that would make it hard for the baby to grow and be independent eventually?

#8 skitz

skitz

    almost happy

  • Ambassador
  • 7362 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:QC
  • Interests:Wine, women, and song. Not to be confused with liquored up whiny women who sing.

Posted 16 August 2009 - 08:04 PM

^^ Should a person who is no longer dependent on the womb, say a victim of a hideous accident who lost all his limbs, be shot on the head?

#9 boadicea

boadicea

    Cutie

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 296 posts

Posted 03 October 2009 - 05:29 AM

It is not a sin if it risk's the lives of either/both the mom and the child. If the pregnancy is not viable or the baby won't be able to reach it's full term.

#10 lustfulbitch

lustfulbitch

    Charmer

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 456 posts
  • Gender:Female

Posted 07 October 2009 - 12:27 PM

no woman wants to be raped...so what more when a woman gets pregnant because of it...
i'd rather be dead than have a child and be reminded of how i got that child...

#11 yuritomo

yuritomo

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 108 posts
  • Location:cavite

Posted 10 November 2009 - 04:18 PM

when the life of the mother is at stake due to the baby. that's the only time. well yun yung sabi sa batas.hehe

#12 Intuition

Intuition

    Kyuketsuki

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 609 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:here and there
  • Interests:music, movies, books, movies, acting, video editing, script writing, playing bass

Posted 10 November 2009 - 06:18 PM

depends on whether you'd put yoru standards on the hands of religion or on your personal standards.

as for god, im not sure what he thinks... he hasnt told me about it.

#13 jannmike23

jannmike23

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 188 posts
  • Location:QC
  • Interests:anything goes i want to experience everything. usually net surfing, texting and watch lang pinagkakaabalahan ko.

Posted 10 November 2009 - 06:21 PM

its always a sin!!!!

#14 kawawangpinoy

kawawangpinoy

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 134 posts

Posted 15 November 2009 - 04:36 PM

no woman wants to be raped...so what more when a woman gets pregnant because of it...
i'd rather be dead than have a child and be reminded of how i got that child...



agree, conception resulting from criminal act should be allowed to be aborted.

#15 Admirer40

Admirer40

    Hottie

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 309 posts
  • Location:Manila

Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:57 AM

nice topic. let us remember we are not God to get a life of an innocent baby, your God given conscience will determine what is right and wrong for you. I'm a parent and the child has nothing to do with any mistakes of the woman or the man who made them.. the child/ fetus will bear the consequences of the people who had the power over it and one day we will be held accountable when we face God.

#16 Admirer40

Admirer40

    Hottie

  • (05) Regular
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 309 posts
  • Location:Manila

Posted 16 November 2009 - 12:08 PM

A friend of mine got impregnated due to adultery.. She says she had an affair a few months back from today.. And the guy who she had an affair with left after knowing that she is pregnant with him.. She knows its his because her husband has not made love to her for over six months.. Why? She would not let him.. Says she does not love him anymore.. And to make matters worse, is that the guy is a good provider, loving and understanding.. He has not done anything to her that would make her lose that love.. (How do I know this? Well, she told me herself.) And to compound everything is that they have a child who is now 6 years old..

Her husband learned about the infidelity and the unborn child but asked her to give the child up by aborting it, if she still would want to continue on with the relationship.. The wife wanted out of the relationship but cared for her child's (from her real husband) well-being.. Fearing of the consequences if a separation shall be done, she reluctantly had the baby aborted just last week.. But right now, she is really suffering miserably and no amount of comforting from anyone has made her lose the thought that she killed a life from her own womb..

I told her that it is wrong, but it was needed.. And maybe, God would understand and if she really is remorseful, than maybe God would forgive her from the adultery to the abortion.. What do you think? How about rape victims?

Rape victims who get impregnated, on the other hand, in the Islamic law are allowed to decide the fate of the baby.. But in adultery, Islamic law states otherwise.. What is your stand?


I know some people who went through the same process. we really cant blame at this point what she needs is a time to heal and forgive her self. if she is still in the same condition you can have her go to CCF every sunday. a lot of people can talk to her there for counselling.. CCF is at St. Francis Square 4-5th floor. just ask for counselling.

#17 Musikero31

Musikero31

    Cutie

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 225 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Paranaque
  • Interests:piano, music, love, choirs

Posted 11 April 2010 - 12:33 PM

Just to add firewood to the flame so to speak, would abortion be justifiable if let's say the fetus was diagnosed as having no limbs, or has autism, or any debilitating disease that would make it hard for the baby to grow and be independent eventually?


No! Abortion is still not justifiable since the child has life already. Only God has every valid right to take the kid back to Him.
  • yaslyn likes this

#18 starslayer13

starslayer13

    Looker

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 139 posts
  • Interests:facebook, biking, spas and massage parlors, history &amp; current events

Posted 18 April 2010 - 04:09 PM

Abortion should be available as a regular hospital service.

Abortion is not a sin. Period.

#19 Musikero31

Musikero31

    Cutie

  • (04) Casual
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 225 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Paranaque
  • Interests:piano, music, love, choirs

Posted 18 April 2010 - 08:40 PM

Abortion should be available as a regular hospital service.

Abortion is not a sin. Period.


Justify. Hehehe! :D

Quick note: This should not be a cause for fights ok? Intellectual, logical and other related reasoning. Thank you. :D

#20 maniaclara

maniaclara

    ~ live, laugh, love, die ~

  • Ambassador
  • 7041 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:sa kumbento ni Padre Damaso
  • Interests:movies & popcorn
    music & videoke
    trivia & puzzles
    shopping & spas
    food & travel
    fun & interesting conversations

Posted 18 April 2010 - 09:51 PM

i've always been against abortion, even when the child was a result of rape. while no one wants to be reminded of how one's child came about, no one ever said you have to keep the child for yourself. there are orphanages or other people who would be willing to adopt a child.
  • hylozoist likes this




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users