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Posted 20 April 2005 - 08:06 PM

I would like to trust, but sad to say.. i am slowly losing my trust in them.. how can I trust the people who have sworn to protect the people, and they are the same group of people who k*ll the people they have sworn to protect? tsk tsk tsk

sad to say but, im losing fate in them *strikers

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 12:31 AM

Isolated cases na pilit lang pinalalaki ng media. Masyado silang mainit pag unipormado ang involved. Granting na wala ka ng tiwala, ano gusto mong mangyari?? Armasan na lang ang iyong sarili...gawin na lang batas ang bagay na sa akala mo ay tama....in short ilagay sa kamay mo ang batas....mas lalo yatang nakakarakot ang ganyan scenario.

Kung may mali man sila, pwede naman ilapit yan sa PLEB o NAPOLCOM

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 06:56 AM

bos starks,

naranasan mo na bang mag-reklamo sa napolcom? a friend of mine has. and it was NOT a pleasant experience. parang lumalabas na SIYA pa ang ini-imbestigahan kesa doon sa nirereklamo nya. and with veiled threats to boot na oras na magtapon lang sya ng sigarilyo sa kalsada, KALABOSO sya.

as i've said, before the cops can make believe them, sila dapat ang MANGUNA na MAGLINIS sa sarili nila. Like just yesterday, a cop in his owner vehicle is making a left turn in espanya beside a sign that says NO LEFT TURN. as if he's going to an emergency...trapik na nga, NAKADAGDAG pa sya.....papano kami bibilib sa kanila nyan?

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:39 AM

Cops gone bad - Often in ranks of po1 to po3 ( PNCO's )
bibihira ang mga senior police officers ( SPO's )
lalo na ang mga OFFICERS na talaga . ( Comissioned Officers )

Let's not generalize
in every workplace there is a black sheep ( PRIVATE OR PUBLIC )
there is no perfect workplace
and it includes work in the Government
when you see in the news that a Cop was arrested for misconduct or crime , isn't that suppossed to make you happy that other law enforcement agents apprehended and collared them ? na nababawasan na ang mga PULIS na nakakasira sa imahe ng INSITUTION .
it means POLICEMEN are doing their work
MASAMA - pag wala kang naririnig at nalalaman na nahuhuli na mga ganito. ibig sabihin nagsasabwatan sila.( YUN ANG NAKAKATAKOT )
IMAGINE - kapwa mo huhulihin mo dahil mali . aba ... it takes a lot of courage to pull the job . ibig sabihin nasa sa puso nila ang sinumpaang trabaho . hindi nila nakakalimutan ang pagmamahal sa Bayan at mga taong nasa loob nito .


How many are the PNP personnel ... ? the AFP personnel .?... ang dami niyan .
isn't it understandable that they are also humans who have needs ? they are not perfect . SO ARE WE .
and SO is the country that we are in . :)

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:47 AM

bos starks,

naranasan mo na bang mag-reklamo sa napolcom? a friend of mine has. and it was NOT a pleasant experience. parang lumalabas na SIYA pa ang ini-imbestigahan kesa doon sa nirereklamo nya. and with veiled threats to boot na oras na magtapon lang sya ng sigarilyo sa kalsada, KALABOSO sya.

as i've said, before the cops can make believe them, sila dapat ang MANGUNA na MAGLINIS sa sarili nila. Like just yesterday, a cop in his owner vehicle is making a left turn in espanya beside a sign that says NO LEFT TURN. as if he's going to an emergency...trapik na nga, NAKADAGDAG pa sya.....papano kami bibilib sa kanila nyan?

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bro, matagal na ba yun o bago lang ? ano kaso ? ano rank ng inirereklamo ? can you remember the name of the Napolcom staff that assisted you ?
malimit kc may mga nagrereklamo sa napolcom , yung mga may personal na galit sa pulis, pero bro , takot ang Pulis sa napolcom at sa peoples board . napolcom ang dumidisiplina sa kanila. malamang tinatamad magprocess ng complaint yun staff. wag mo na i-post details dito. i-pm mo na lang. i'll see what i can do. thanks bro. yngat
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 09:55 AM

bos starks,

naranasan mo na bang mag-reklamo sa napolcom? a friend of mine has. and it was NOT a pleasant experience. parang lumalabas na SIYA pa ang ini-imbestigahan kesa doon sa nirereklamo nya. and with veiled threats to boot na oras na magtapon lang sya ng sigarilyo sa kalsada, KALABOSO sya.

as i've said, before the cops can make believe them, sila dapat ang MANGUNA na MAGLINIS sa sarili nila. Like just yesterday, a cop in his owner vehicle is making a left turn in espanya beside a sign that says NO LEFT TURN. as if he's going to an emergency...trapik na nga, NAKADAGDAG pa sya.....papano kami bibilib sa kanila nyan?

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bro, matagal na ba yun o bago lang ? ano kaso ? ano rank ng inirereklamo ? can you remember the name of the Napolcom staff that assisted you ?
malimit kc may mga nagrereklamo sa napolcom , yung mga may personal na galit sa pulis, pero bro , takot ang Pulis sa napolcom at sa peoples board . napolcom ang dumidisiplina sa kanila. malamang tinatamad magprocess ng complaint yun staff. wag mo na i-post details dito. i-pm mo na lang. i'll see what i can do. thanks bro. yngat
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Posted 21 April 2005 - 01:17 PM

[quote name='robbietan' date='Apr 21 2005, 06:56 AM']
bos starks,

naranasan mo na bang mag-reklamo sa napolcom? a friend of mine has. and it was NOT a pleasant experience. parang lumalabas na SIYA pa ang ini-imbestigahan kesa doon sa nirereklamo nya. and with veiled threats to boot na oras na magtapon lang sya ng sigarilyo sa kalsada, KALABOSO sya.

as i've said, before the cops can make believe them, sila dapat ang MANGUNA na MAGLINIS sa sarili nila. Like just yesterday, a cop in his owner vehicle is making a left turn in espanya beside a sign that says NO LEFT TURN. as if he's going to an emergency...trapik na nga, NAKADAGDAG pa sya.....papano kami bibilib sa kanila nyan?

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bos rob

ako hindi pa, pero an officemate did and yielded a positive result. Sorry to hear na ganyan ang nangyari sa friend mo pero bottomline kung titingnan natin ang kabuaan mallit pa rin porsyento ang ganyan para sabihin natin na mawawala ang tiwala natin sa institusyon. Tutoo rin yung sinabi ni Zanger sa earlier posts na makakatulong ang may kilala ka sa loob ng mga ganyan ahensya. Pero try looking at NAPOLCOM stats and other personal accounts, marami pa rin ang mga complaints na positibo ang resulta...yung iba nga sa PLEB pa lang naayos na.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 01:29 PM

gusto ko rin idagdag ang ilang obserbasyon

Bakit ang daming umaangal pag may mga police at military checkpoints???

di ba mabisa yang deterrent sa mga krimen...bakit ka matatakot huminto kung wala ka naman dapat itago

Dapat mo bang katigan ang mga reklamo ng mga jeepney, taxi at bus driver laban sa mga autoridad???

kitang kita naman natin na sila ang mga numero unong nagpapakita ng kawalan ng disiplina sa lansangan. Silang yung may maraming dalang ibat ibang lisensya tunay at peke. Namamasada ng kawalan ng prangkisa (kulorum). Expired ang mga rehistro at marami pang ibang kabalbalan, dagdag mo pa ang di pag sunod sa batas trapiko. Although hindi ko nilalahat dahil may matino rin sa kanilang hanay. Kung titingnan ay sila rin ang pinagmumulan ng corruption dahil hindi nila nilalagay sa tama ang kanilang paghahanapbuhay at sa huli hahanap ng sisisihin...sasabihin mga pulis daw ang may sala

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:27 PM

Cops gone bad - Often in ranks of po1 to po3 ( PNCO's )
bibihira ang mga senior police officers  ( SPO's )
lalo na ang mga OFFICERS na talaga . ( Comissioned Officers )

Let's not generalize
in every workplace there is a black sheep ( PRIVATE OR PUBLIC )
there is no perfect workplace
and it includes work in the  Government
when you see in the news that a Cop was arrested for misconduct or crime , isn't that suppossed to make you happy that other law enforcement agents apprehended and collared them ? na nababawasan na ang mga PULIS na nakakasira sa imahe ng INSITUTION .
it means POLICEMEN are doing their work
MASAMA - pag wala kang naririnig at nalalaman na nahuhuli na mga ganito. ibig sabihin nagsasabwatan sila.( YUN ANG NAKAKATAKOT )
IMAGINE - kapwa mo huhulihin mo dahil mali . aba ... it takes a lot of courage to pull the job . ibig sabihin nasa sa puso nila ang sinumpaang trabaho . hindi nila nakakalimutan ang pagmamahal sa Bayan at mga taong nasa loob nito .


How many are the PNP personnel ... ? the AFP personnel .?... ang dami niyan .
isn't it understandable that they are also humans who have needs ? they are not perfect . SO ARE WE .
and SO is the country that we are in .  :)

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I agree na karamihan sa mga involved sa kalokohan yung mga PO1 to PO3, we handled a lot of cases involving cops and majority of them are ranked PO1 to PO3....

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 07:30 PM

gusto ko rin idagdag ang ilang obserbasyon

Bakit ang daming umaangal pag may mga police at military checkpoints???

di ba mabisa yang deterrent sa mga krimen...bakit ka matatakot huminto kung wala ka naman dapat itago

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Maganda ang checkpoints kung hindi aabusuhin or sasamantalahin ng pulis and or military para makapangotong or worse plant an incriminating evidence against someone, i think that many of these guys would agree with me on these.....

Edited by Agent_mulder, 21 April 2005 - 07:31 PM.


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Posted 22 April 2005 - 07:09 AM

thanks for the offer bos marvin 8, the colleague is currently abroad now and thats why nagpuputok ang butse nya. kung kelan daw sya paalis abroad doon pa sya nadale....

but he assures me na 'tuloy ang laban' when he gets back.....

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 01:52 PM

Let's not generalize
in every workplace there is a black sheep ( PRIVATE OR PUBLIC )
there is no perfect workplace
and it includes work in the  Government
when you see in the news that a Cop was arrested for misconduct or crime , isn't that suppossed to make you happy that other law enforcement agents apprehended and collared them ? na nababawasan na ang mga PULIS na nakakasira sa imahe ng INSITUTION .
it means POLICEMEN are doing their work
MASAMA - pag wala kang naririnig at nalalaman na nahuhuli na mga ganito. ibig sabihin nagsasabwatan sila.( YUN ANG NAKAKATAKOT )
IMAGINE - kapwa mo huhulihin mo dahil mali . aba ... it takes a lot of courage to pull the job . ibig sabihin nasa sa puso nila ang sinumpaang trabaho . hindi nila nakakalimutan ang pagmamahal sa Bayan at mga taong nasa loob nito .


How many are the PNP personnel ... ? the AFP personnel .?... ang dami niyan .
isn't it understandable that they are also humans who have needs ? they are not perfect . SO ARE WE .
and SO is the country that we are in .  :)

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if we will not generalize, then there is nothing to discuss about. not only in this topic, but others as well. for example people say that:

1. government is corrupt, but we know that not all of the people there are.
2. the nazi are evil being, but we have some of them who did good deeds
3. the lawyers are liars, but not all of them are.
4. preists are chaste people, but soem of them have illegitimate children
5. people from la salle are stupid (HMMMMMM) but i guess not all of them are


we always have a general rule as we see it. its sad to say that the general rule is that the police and military is corrupt. and the exception is that they are good and clean. if you say that the doings of a few ruins the rep*tation of the whole institution, i believe in that. the police and military must know that they hold a sensitive position. its not like NBA basketball players, where 1 bad player would make you say that NBA players are lousy players. its the POLICE! they must not only be clean, they must project cleanliness.

in US or other countries, you cannot remove the fact that there are bad cops, but how come tehy still have tehir good image intact?

i just hope the general rule is that they are trustworthy, and reliable, save for the few scalawags.
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 02:01 PM

sana nga maisa-ayos na at malinis ang Pambansang Pulisya at sandatahang lakas

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 02:19 PM

Maganda ang checkpoints kung hindi aabusuhin or sasamantalahin ng pulis and or military para makapangotong or worse plant an incriminating evidence against someone, i think that many of these guys would agree with me on these.....

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better if civilians know their basic rights
additional info regarding checkpoints

Checkpoints are merely routine inspections of the vehicle with a few questions asked
The inspection is limited only to a visual examination of the vehicle or to what is observable in it.
The Police manning the checkpoints cannot subject the vehicle or the occupant to an extensive search .
Motorists have the right to protest a search of their person or vehicle .
If the police asks their permission , they may refuse.
But if they consent , then that constitutes to a valid waiver of their right.

For consent to be considered a valid waiver of the right against search without warrant, it must be freely and voluntarily given.
Consent given under intimidating or coercive circumstances is not consent that constitutes a valid waiver of the right .
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Posted 24 April 2005 - 02:37 PM

if we will not generalize, then there is nothing to discuss about. not only in this topic, but others as well. for
example people say that:

1. government is corrupt, but we know that not all of the people there are.
2. the nazi are evil being, but we have some of them who did good deeds
3. the lawyers are liars, but not all of them are.
4. preists are chaste people, but soem of them have illegitimate children
5. people from la salle are stupid (HMMMMMM) but i guess not all of them are

there are more good policemen than bad. maybe there was a wrong use of terminology but i know u were able get to my point. :)

we always have a general rule as we see it. its sad to say that the general rule is that the police and military is corrupt. and the exception is that they are good and clean. if you say that the doings of a few ruins the rep*tation of the whole institution, i believe in that. the police and military must know that they hold a sensitive position. its not like NBA basketball players, where 1 bad player would make you say that NBA players are lousy players. its the POLICE! they must not only be clean, they must project cleanliness.

in US or other countries, you cannot remove the fact that there are bad cops, but how come tehy still have tehir good image intact?

in the US , people are more responsible, they know their rights very well and fight for it the right way. People here in RP fight for their rights regardless of other peoples right. In the US they maintain the good image because people understand what the law enforcers are doing . People here can never comprehend what the Policemen are doing because they have closed minds. Even if the Law enforcers here are doing everything they can , PEOPLE DONT TRUST them . and trust is one of the main factors why Police -community relations don't go very well.

i just hope the general rule is that they are trustworthy, and reliable, save for the few scalawags.

:)

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 04:05 PM

better if civilians know their basic rights
additional info regarding checkpoints

Checkpoints are merely routine inspections of the vehicle with a few questions asked
The inspection is limited only to a visual examination of the vehicle or to what is observable in it.
The Police manning the checkpoints cannot subject the vehicle or the occupant to an extensive search .
Motorists have the right to protest a search of their person or vehicle .
If the police asks their permission , they may refuse.But if they consent , then that constitutes to a valid waiver of their right.

For consent to be considered a valid waiver of the right against search without warrant, it must be freely and voluntarily given.
Consent given under intimidating or coercive circumstances is not consent that constitutes a valid waiver  of the right .
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paano kung nagpilit ang mga pulis?

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Posted 25 April 2005 - 11:42 PM

I think it is safe to say that not all but majority of the police force is corrupt. I'm not saying that we should start a revolution against them and demand that PNP should be abolished but what I'm saying is you should always be wary and alert when dealing with cops. Do not be too trusting or they will hoodwink and devour you.

Of course there are still men in uniform that can be trusted but the wicked ones far outnumber them. When a cop approaches you and tells you that his fellow cops engaging in criminal activities are isolated cases, immediately stay away from this cop. It's either he's on drugs or is a consummate liar who will try to dupe you or extort money from you.

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Posted 26 April 2005 - 05:06 AM

Not so in a million years.

They are unfit, not properly trained, not so motivated and below the standards on Police and Army around the world.


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Posted 27 April 2005 - 07:40 PM

I think it is safe to say that not all but majority of the police force is corrupt. I'm not saying that we should start a revolution against them and demand that PNP should be abolished but what I'm saying is you should always be wary and alert when dealing with cops. Do not be too trusting or they will hoodwink and devour you.

Of course there are still men in uniform that can be trusted but the wicked ones far outnumber them. When a cop approaches you and tells you that his fellow cops engaging in criminal activities are isolated cases, immediately stay away from this cop. It's either he's on drugs or is a consummate liar who will try to dupe you or extort money from you.

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i agree 100%

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Posted 02 May 2005 - 05:30 PM

better if civilians know their basic rights
additional info regarding checkpoints

Checkpoints are merely routine inspections of the vehicle with a few questions asked
The inspection is limited only to a visual examination of the vehicle or to what is observable in it.
The Police manning the checkpoints cannot subject the vehicle or the occupant to an extensive search .
Motorists have the right to protest a search of their person or vehicle .
If the police asks their permission , they may refuse.
But if they consent , then that constitutes to a valid waiver of their right.

For consent to be considered a valid waiver of the right against search without warrant, it must be freely and voluntarily given.
Consent given under intimidating or coercive circumstances is not consent that constitutes a valid waiver  of the right .
  :)

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Problem is, many of those civilians subjected to checkpoint dont know their basic rights, so kailangan siguro ng information campaign or education on this basic right...

Edited by Agent_mulder, 02 May 2005 - 05:31 PM.





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