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#81 haroots2

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 06:47 PM

As i said what is the relevance of your question.

2016 pa lang may issue na at nagkahearing sa house. In may 2016 then sec ubial said that doh will halt the dengue vaccine program. Tatapusin na lang daw yun 3 doses sa mga nabigyan na. The timetable is nagstart na ito ng apr and end in july of 2017. So kung ganun eh bakit may nabigyan pa ng first dose yun namatay recently.

 

Uy may bagong sagot, biglang na delete yung unang sagot kasi alam na mali.  :D  Pero eto may palusot pa more. Ngayon yung ingay is yung congressional hearing, ano pumutok dun?  Magpakita ka nga ng any headline sa mainstream media para masabi na pumutok yung issue during that hearing :D

 

Wala naman naging resolution dung sa congressional hearing. Sinabi pa nga ni Ubial kung sino ang pumilit sa kanya na bumili ulit ng Dengvaxia.  Hindi pinahinto ang Dengvaxia program dahil sa congressional hearing dahil walang conreete proof of the side effect.

Sasabihin mo naman wala pa lang concrete proof na may danger ang dengvaxia.  Ang sagot dyan minadali kasi yung procurement.  Kung hindi yan minadali at hinintay matapos yung mga concrete studies hindi sana mangyayari ito.


Edited by haroots2, 15 February 2018 - 06:50 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 06:54 PM

sabi sa news latest dengvacia victim was given the the vaccine nov of 2017 and died early this year.

kung hindi ba naman inutil ang admin na ito, pumutok na nga ang balita, nagkagulo na nga sa issue, ayun nagturok pa din tapos sisi lahat sa past admin.

kelan nga uli yan?  Bat nga di mo masagot?  Nagkalito lito ka na sa date mo mo na post?  ngayon di mo na mabawi statement mo, panindigan na lang para di mapahiya? :D



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:48 PM

Uy may bagong sagot, biglang na delete yung unang sagot kasi alam na mali.  :D  Pero eto may palusot pa more. Ngayon yung ingay is yung congressional hearing, ano pumutok dun?  Magpakita ka nga ng any headline sa mainstream media para masabi na pumutok yung issue during that hearing :D
 
Wala naman naging resolution dung sa congressional hearing. Sinabi pa nga ni Ubial kung sino ang pumilit sa kanya na bumili ulit ng Dengvaxia.  Hindi pinahinto ang Dengvaxia program dahil sa congressional hearing dahil walang conreete proof of the side effect.
Sasabihin mo naman wala pa lang concrete proof na may danger ang dengvaxia.  Ang sagot dyan minadali kasi yung procurement.  Kung hindi yan minadali at hinintay matapos yung mga concrete studies hindi sana mangyayari ito.

hahaha...ang problema sa iyo iniisip mo kasi yun lumabas na yun findings ng sanofi. yan ang mahirap sa limited knowledge at sawsaw agad sa issue na gustong mambara. matagal ko nang sinasabi kung may kasalanan ang pnoy admin may sala din ang duterte admin kasi nagturok din sila. kaso double standards kayo. kaya ko iyan inihighlight kasi sa pagkakaalam ko iyan ang unang kasong namatay na sa admin na ito ang tumurok. pati yan ubial na yan sa congressional hearing napagusapan na yun mga possible risk and effects sabi niya di siya sangayon sa dengvacia and yet what di na nga niya totally pinahinto. nagsalita na nga siya tatapusin na lang yun 3rd dosage ng naturukan eh nagturok pa ng 1st dose.

kaya nga kita tinatanong ano ang relevance...ngayon sagutin mo ang tanong ko ano ang relevance nga ng dates na hinihingi mo???

Edited by rooster69ph, 15 February 2018 - 09:10 PM.


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Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:26 AM

kaya nga kita tinatanong ano ang relevance...ngayon sagutin mo ang tanong ko ano ang relevance nga ng dates na hinihingi mo???

 

sabi sa news latest dengvacia victim was given the the vaccine nov of 2017 and died early this year.

kung hindi ba naman inutil ang admin na ito, pumutok na nga ang balita, nagkagulo na nga sa issue, ayun nagturok pa din tapos sisi lahat sa past admin.

 

Hindi relevant ang date na reply ko sa iyo nung una kung kinonsider mo na nagkagulo na dahil sa issue nung congressional heaqring palang. Kung yan sa tingin mo para makalusot ka lang bahala ka na.  Pero bakit kaya biglang nag delete ng post after nun?  Hmmm.



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Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:55 AM

 
 
Hindi relevant ang date na reply ko sa iyo nung una kung kinonsider mo na nagkagulo na dahil sa issue nung congressional heaqring palang. Kung yan sa tingin mo para makalusot ka lang bahala ka na.  Pero bakit kaya biglang nag delete ng post after nun?  Hmmm.


Ayun naman pala walang relevance yun date na hinihingi mo then why ask for it?

I suggest alamin mo muna kasi pinupunto before you fire away. Hindi yun nagaasume ka eh maling akala pala tapos magbibintang ka na nagpapalusot. Btw you've been quoting my every single post so ano sinasabi mong nag delete??? Hilig mo magbintang talaga.

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Posted 23 February 2018 - 12:36 PM

Terrible. Kawawa nmn mga kids.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 11:30 PM

ang tanong ilan na nilabas na autopsy report ng kabilang panig vs pao autopsy report lol

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 11:49 AM

I'm really amazed how the discussion is going on regarding this particular case... Mainly because mainstream media is not delivering nor giving us the  right information. Second everyone on this tread do have there own biases, while I do believe some do have a point the needs consideration or worth listening to, but a lot were driven because of the two factors mentioned. 

 

I may not be a fan of PNoy but I based on all the things I heard from the testimonies and statements of EXPERTs, I would immediately exonerate PNoy from this case as his decision at the very moment when he approved the program was based on the expert's recommendation which in case is Sec. Garin. If indeed there is a liability PNoy would be guilty of command responsibility that because He trusted his Sec of Health who is supposed and should be the expert on this subject. Let us all consider that the President is not a super human being who "KNOWS it ALL" that is why he is expected to have and appoint Secretary's who are considered EXPERT and COMPETENT on the field they handles so they would be able to provide the President with an excellent guidance for all the decision he would make. The President, PNoy in this case would be solely responsible if the Secretary have provided him with the right and correct information and he decided contrary to what is right and acceptable. But in the case Dengvaxia, PNoy was not provided with that kind of information and recommendations, hence we now have a problem.

 

One food for our thoughts now is the statement of SANOFI that they did not receive the amount supposedly they are due: Question now is where did the funds go. These might have been the main motivation why was this whole problem happened.

 

If we are then to look for the root cause of this chaos/problem it will all boil down to OUR GREED. 

 

If all these gossips/insinuations are TRUE, then i guess we should start "shooting"  all these people. 

 

By the way I personally know the GARINS from Iloilo because I'm from that place. My family knows them well because my grandfather used to be a Politician and a Vice Mayor of one the municipalities in the area. As of this date we're still very poor because my Grandfather is very much GUILTY of UNEXPLAINED POVERTY FOR FAILURE TO TAKE ALL OPPORTUNITIES.


Edited by JackieM, 08 March 2018 - 11:53 AM.


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 08:13 PM

 

One food for our thoughts now is the statement of SANOFI that they did not receive the amount supposedly they are due: Question now is where did the funds go. These might have been the main motivation why was this whole problem happened.

 

 

 

Another food for thought:

 

Abad and Aquino has been pressuring Garin to expedite the Dengvaxia procurement ahead of the National Elections.

 

The Liberal Party has been using the entire six years of BS Aquino's term to amass campaign funds from government projects to secure their dominance in Philippine politics in the coming elections. Dengvaxia procurement is just another transaction that is part of their fund raising effort.

 

Unfortunately for them the Filipinos had enough of their ineptitude and incompetence and showed their displeasure through the ballots.

 

 

 

 

 

My family knows them well because my grandfather used to be a Politician and a Vice Mayor of one the municipalities in the area. As of this date we're still very poor because my Grandfather is very much GUILTY of UNEXPLAINED POVERTY FOR FAILURE TO TAKE ALL OPPORTUNITIES.

 
Your family may be in a vote-rich area. Your grandfather was probably used by the Mayor just to get votes from your large extended family and the community in your area.

Edited by camiar, 08 March 2018 - 08:19 PM.


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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:37 AM

http://www.gmanetwor...m_campaign=news

Siguro tatanggalin na din si Duque sa DOH kasi kontra sa sinabi ng POA itong kaso ng batang ito. You do not contradict your government.

#91 camiar

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 12:08 PM

http://www.gmanetwor...m_campaign=news

Siguro tatanggalin na din si Duque sa DOH kasi kontra sa sinabi ng POA itong kaso ng batang ito. You do not contradict your government.

 

Is PAO the government?

 

Intriga pa more!



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Posted 09 March 2018 - 01:51 PM

Is PAO the government?
 
Intriga pa more!


d nya na gets ang conflict of interest part.

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 04:35 PM

1. I'm a doctor and i'm commenting based on my professional opinion (let me stress opinion).

 

2. parents with newborn can relate to some of the vaccines i will mention.

 

3. the political circumstances may have put a spotlight to Dengvaxia. But actually, the pharmaceutical industry is largely at fault. in my practice, i never recommend a meds nor vaccine that i haven't studied the clinical studies. last time i checked, these vaccines were absent of enough/proper clinical studies:

1. Rotavirus

2. Japanese Encephalitis

3. Dengvaxia

and more....

 

4. Clinical studies are important to statistically determine effectiveness and/or side effects of these. Pharma companies hastily released these ahead of enough/proper clinical studies and trials (evidently, there's not much or no clinical papers available in public) in the name of profit (or market competition)

 

5. i strongly advice, please have your doctors (or yourself) study/read the clinical papers of the vaccines before agreeing to use these especially on your children.

 

 

This is the only sensible comment here and that's because it comes from someone with medical know-how.

 

The Dengvaxia controversy is a classic case of everybody happy "till the s@%t hits the fan" .

 

What most likely happened is, the yellow cult was looking for more ways to milk government funds to fund massive vote-buying for the 2016 presidential elections, which vote-buying is the only way they could make Roxas president. A mass immunization program against one of the biggest killers of children would definitely get pogi points from voters and in 2016, that could only be Dengvaxia. Never mind that Sanofi itself admitted that there wasn't sufficient clinical data on its safety and efficacy: minor point na yun which may conveniently be overlooked.

 

Garin broke all records in getting DOH funding for the purchase, including procurement protocol because such purchase should not have been made because it was not included in the 2017 GAA. Congressional approval was necessary and they couldn't have done that with the elections looming. This for me, is why DOH backed Garin when she said that everything was above-board: because the top honchos themselves were embroiled in the scandal.

 

LP got the contracts, the funds, the photo ops, which explains why eventually Dr. Ubial had to admit being pressured into the vaccine by Garin's politician hubby.

 

Wala na sana problema if Roxas became president. They would have swept the situation under the rug just like they did every other scandal in the past.

 

Kaso, Duterte won. Again, this wouldn't have been a problem even, if some kids didn't start dying of totally unrelated diseases.

 

Try telling a parent who thought he/she was saving her child from a dengue death, only to have his/her treasure dead by diseases like lupus, hypertension, organ failure, etc. Maghahalo talaga ang balat sa tinalupan.

 

Some people claim that bakit ang Singapore, accepted naman nila ang Dengvaxia, wala naman nangyayari na gaya ng sa Pinas, "only in the Philippines" daw pinasasama ang mabuti naman. To them I said, there is no question Dengvaxia works and it is a good vaccine but only when properly used. Of course they will conveniently ignore the fact that the issue is not whether Dengvaxia works, but whether Dengvaxia should be used on a mass immunization program, to the scale of 830,000 children who were not even screened prior the vaccine administration.

 

Never mind that Sanofi itself revealed that the vaccine works only on seropositive recipients, with doubtful effect on seronegatives.. even saying that the seronegatives would be susceptible to more serious manifestations of dengue with subsequent infection.

 

Acosta was demonized. I agree that she needs lessons on restraint and poised hysterics, but she has a point there. Dengvaxia MAY pose greater risks to children improperly given the vaccine and for that alone, there has to be culpability and proper accountability. One dead child via wrongly administered Dengvaxia is one death too many, coz this didn't have to happen if only they heeded Sanofi's warning, weren't greedy and so lustful of clinging to power at all costs, and utterly stupid for thinking they can get away with this.


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Posted 22 May 2018 - 06:47 PM

Any solid proof that dengvaxia is harmful? Independent study? Kung meron, the people behind this should be brought to justice

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Posted 22 May 2018 - 08:18 PM

Any solid proof that dengvaxia is harmful? Independent study? Kung meron, the people behind this should be brought to justice

 

hindi naman masama hindi lang ginamit ng tama



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Posted 23 May 2018 - 12:24 AM

Parang pine personal kasi ni Duterte as reportedly his apo was vaccinated with dengvaxia.

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 03:01 AM

Parang pine personal kasi ni Duterte as reportedly his apo was vaccinated with dengvaxia.

 

if ever cguro naturukan din isa sa mga kapamilya mo or anak mo cgurado magagawa mo rin yung mga nasasabi ng mga namatayan...

 

personal khit ako magagawa ko yun... they made a huge mistake,,,, ginawang lab rats yung mga bata...



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Posted 23 May 2018 - 06:14 AM

if ever cguro naturukan din isa sa mga kapamilya mo or anak mo cgurado magagawa mo rin yung mga nasasabi ng mga namatayan...
 
personal khit ako magagawa ko yun... they made a huge mistake,,,, ginawang lab rats yung mga bata...

if ever cguro naturukan din isa sa mga kapamilya mo or anak mo cgurado magagawa mo rin yung mga nasasabi ng mga namatayan...
 
personal khit ako magagawa ko yun... they made a huge mistake,,,, ginawang lab rats yung mga bata...


what puzzles me is that why didn’t duterte stop this program the very moment he swore in as president. shouldn’t he have done that ...to rectify the wrongs as a competent leader?

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 07:19 AM

if ever cguro naturukan din isa sa mga kapamilya mo or anak mo cgurado magagawa mo rin yung mga nasasabi ng mga namatayan...
 
personal khit ako magagawa ko yun... they made a huge mistake,,,, ginawang lab rats yung mga bata...


Playing with emotions again.

Parang yun tactics ng mga DDS lang din yan sagot mo nun campaign, ‘no? “Sana ma-rape/holdup/mamatayan ka ng mahal sa buhay para malaman mong importante si Duterte”

In any case I’m not saying the dengvaxia mess is good nor bad, it’s just how it’s being handled is not based on rational thinking, but on emotions.

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 09:39 AM

Playing with emotions again.

Parang yun tactics ng mga DDS lang din yan sagot mo nun campaign, ‘no? “Sana ma-rape/holdup/mamatayan ka ng mahal sa buhay para malaman mong importante si Duterte”

In any case I’m not saying the dengvaxia mess is good nor bad, it’s just how it’s being handled is not based on rational thinking, but on emotions.

 

Wow may mga namamatay na pero sa tingin mo its not good NOR bad?  So kung hindi mo nga pinaiiral yung emotions mo hindi bad sayu kahit ilan na yung namatay.







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