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Posted 13 June 2019 - 02:57 PM

The ban on Huawei by Donald Trump is bigger than we think. This involves security risks that can even lead to WW3, economic sabotage and most of all, the domino effect on other nations such as Philippines in terms of the manufacturing Industry. Mass layoffs and forced leaves are happening "quietly" in our manufacturing sector due to pull out of production volumes from companies that supplies to Huawei here in our country. 

 

But experts says Huawei has seen this coming as early as March of this year.

 

Below is the timeline of events;

 

https://www.cnet.com...d-us-crackdown/

 

Huawei ban: Full timeline on how and why its phones are under fire

Here's a breakdown of the embattled Chinese telecom and phone maker's saga so far.

2019

June 11: Huawei says it'll need more time to become world's biggest phone seller and reportedly delays announcement of its new laptop indefinitely. 

June 10: Huawei reportedly asks app developers to publish on its AppGallery store, and a White House official apparently wants to delay the US government's Huawei ban.

June 7: Facebook stops letting Huawei preinstall its apps, and Google reportedly warns the Trump administration that its Huawei ban creates a national security risk. Also, Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou's extradition hearing is set for January 2020.

June 6: Russian telecom agrees to let Huawei develop country's 5G network, while China gives Huawei a boost by issuing 5G licenses.

June 5: Huawei chairman says company would sign a "no-spy" deal with US.

June 4: Huawei trade secrets trial reportedly kicks off in Texas.

June 3: Science publisher IEEE reverses its week-old ban on Huawei scientists reviewing technical papers.

June 2: Huawei reportedly strips back production of phones amid US crackdown.

May 31: Huawei reportedly orders employees to cancel US meetings, mirrors Consumer Technology Association's criticism of Trump's plans to impose higher tariffs on imported Mexican goods.

May 30: Huawei membership restored by SD Association and Wi-Fi Alliance, while it quietly launches its 5G lab in the shadow of the US ban. Also, its wearables shipments quadruple in first quarter.

May 29: Huawei asks court to rule US ban unconstitutional.

May 28: Huawei reportedly plans to bring OS to China later this year, internationally in 2020.

May 26: Ren Zhengfei, Huawei's founder, says he'd "be the first to protest" if China retaliated against Apple.

May 24: Huawei's operating system may be called "Hongmeng," while Amazon Japan reportedly stops selling its devices.

May 23: US reportedly accuses Huawei of lying about Chinese ties.

May 22: Chip designer Arm ditches Huawei, while Mate 20 X gets dropped from UK 5G launch.

May 21: Huawei reportedly wants its app store to compete with Google's.

May 20: Huawei gets a temporary reprieve from the US trade ban, prompting Google to revive work temporarily.

May 19: Google cuts off Huawei phones from future Android updates.

May 16: Huawei says US ban will 'significantly harm' American jobs and companies.

May 15: Trump effectively bans Huawei with a national security order.

May 8: 5G rollout may face a delay in UK over Huawei investigations.

May 3: Countries draft 5G security proposals as the US warns again of Huawei's threat.

May 2: A Huawei leak prompts the sacking of UK defense minister Gavin Williamson.

May 1: Huawei hits 50% growth in phone sales and reportedly has an 8K 5G TV in the works for later this year.


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Posted 13 June 2019 - 03:02 PM

Do you own a huawei phone?

 

You BETTER read this ASAP;

 

Own a Huawei Phone? Here’s How the Ban Will Affect You

https://www.tomsguid...news-30154.html

 

Cheat sheet: What Huawei owners should know
  • Huawei has been granted a 90-day temporary license to continue working with U.S. companies to support its products. During that time, software and security updates will continue.
  • After those 90 days are up, Huawei may not be allowed to continue to include Google services on its phones following future updates, and security patches from Google will cease.
  • Huawei’s eventual inability to work with Google could push back the rollout of Android Q to its phones, or significantly change the software’s feature set.
  • Huawei’s laptops and partnerships with Intel and Microsoft in the PC space are similarly affected.
Support will continue for 90 days

Initially, Google was to cease all activity with Huawei following the Chinese company’s placement on the Entity List. However, some days after the Commerce Department’s original decision, the U.S. government extended a temporary general export license to the Chinese tech giant, allowing them to continue product support operations for 90 days.

Your Huawei phone may forfeit Google services when updated

Here’s the issue: Like all Android OEMs, Huawei relies on Google’s frameworks to develop and distribute updates to its Android phones. Without continued access to elements like Google Play Services, which underpins everything from notification delivery to privacy settings to software that utilizes your location, an Android phone would pretty much cease to function.

Theoretically, existing Huawei devices out in the world would be able to retain all of Google’s necessary Android components, apps and the Play Store — but only until they’ve been updated. If Huawei is to push out a new software build in September for a device like the P30 Pro, it may have to forfeit everything that comes from Google.

Worst case scenario, your Huawei phone may stop getting security updates come mid-August, which would put you at increasing risk the longer flaws go unrectified. And if an update is pushed out after that point, be mindful that it could fundamentally alter your experience and limit your access to Google services.

Or, maybe it won’t. Again, this is all very much up in the air, and we won’t truly know how Huawei customers will be affected for some time. These are questions nobody has the answer to right now, and each company involved will interpret the law differently. Be sure to keep an eye on our coverage of this ever-changing ordeal over the coming weeks to stay fully informed.



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Posted 13 June 2019 - 09:58 PM

i think its about who'll win the 5G war and US knows that Huawei is leading the pack so far and they are lagging behind. Whoever leads the 5G revolution will be very powerful and US is afraid that they will not be the no 1 global economy anymore once it is fully launched.



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Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:28 AM

Im from the US so let me give you some perspective. The majority of the US population knows that Trump is an idiot and a con artist. Unfortunately the way our presidential elections are set up, a minority of voters can elect a president. This is happened before, most recently with Bush.

Other countries, including China, also know that Trump is an idiot and a con artist. China, being a very ancient country, will patiently wait for Trump to leave office in 2 years so that they can work with somebody more reasonable. China also knows that the US economy needs China more than China needs the US.

China also knows that Trump is a paper tiger, and will back down from his tough rhetoric and stupid trade policies as soon as he is seriously resisted, as was the case with Mexico this last week.

And the United States will certainly not go to war over the disputed territories and freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. The current administration is just not that interested in supporting friends in Southeast Asia.

There will be no war with China.

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Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:39 AM

Huawei and other Non-US firms will realize that there is really a way to make products and do business without those US tech companies’ involvement. After China firms, with immense help from its government, comes out with solutions they will ditch the US. China will be in the offense while US will be left defending what little and old tech it has. The US will basking in dated glory. China will move with bigger leaps, possibly bring other nations with it.
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Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:14 PM

i like china but im with US on this war... Samsung is building 5S tech and US is supporting it... and China is a bully and Chinese Gov. has a share with huawei.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 12:55 PM

Im from the US so let me give you some perspective. The majority of the US population knows that Trump is an idiot and a con artist. Unfortunately the way our presidential elections are set up, a minority of voters can elect a president. This is happened before, most recently with Bush.

Other countries, including China, also know that Trump is an idiot and a con artist. China, being a very ancient country, will patiently wait for Trump to leave office in 2 years so that they can work with somebody more reasonable. China also knows that the US economy needs China more than China needs the US.

China also knows that Trump is a paper tiger, and will back down from his tough rhetoric and stupid trade policies as soon as he is seriously resisted, as was the case with Mexico this last week.

And the United States will certainly not go to war over the disputed territories and freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. The current administration is just not that interested in supporting friends in Southeast Asia.

There will be no war with China.

There will be no war with China. Not because the current administration is not interested in supporting its friends in Southeast Asia, but because USA can no longer support  its allies. 

 

Filipinos should wake up and accept the fact. We are on our own if we take on China.


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Posted 14 June 2019 - 08:29 PM

There will be no war with China. Not because the current administration is not interested in supporting its friends in Southeast Asia, but because USA can no longer support  its allies. 
 
Filipinos should wake up and accept the fact. We are on our own if we take on China.


I would even say that US didn’t really supported its allies - thus this juncture. Permanent interests over permanent friends.

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 12:07 AM

And flagship phones of huaweu are now down to 60bucks!

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 06:44 PM

Wanna defeat China?
k*ll them from the inside.
China is not afraid of any countries but they (Communist Party) are afraid of their own people. Main reason why they don't have FB and other foreign soc media. They have their own that they can easily control.

What should be done is to instill some kind of rebellious mindset/ ideology on their citizens.
Ideology that would ultimately result in the division of China. Black propaganda against the Communist should be successfully Desi inated in the country side (like Tibet, HongKong, Etc)


Self destruction. That's the only way.
Anti Communist movement should be empowered. It's hell difficult to infiltrate them but I think it would work if successfully done.

Internal strife is the key. UK have done it in the past during the Opium war - it's tried and tested.

Edited by Behlat, 16 June 2019 - 06:45 PM.

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 10:24 AM

Wanna defeat China?
k*ll them from the inside.
China is not afraid of any countries but they (Communist Party) are afraid of their own people. Main reason why they don't have FB and other foreign soc media. They have their own that they can easily control.

What should be done is to instill some kind of rebellious mindset/ ideology on their citizens.
Ideology that would ultimately result in the division of China. Black propaganda against the Communist should be successfully Desi inated in the country side (like Tibet, HongKong, Etc)


Self destruction. That's the only way.
Anti Communist movement should be empowered. It's hell difficult to infiltrate them but I think it would work if successfully done.

Internal strife is the key. UK have done it in the past during the Opium war - it's tried and tested.

 

Yes, that's one of US and UK strategies. They use Hong Kong and Taiwan as conduit to sow seeds of dissent, hoping to generate internal strife in the mainland.

 

The US has been using this "tried and tested" method of instilling antagonistic mindset among political opposition in the Philippines to keep our national leaders off-balanced, constantly besieged by political pressure, forcing them to be subservient to US policies.

 

 

In the long run, what benefit would we get from a destabilized, anarchic China?

 

The Philippines is better off promoting a friendly but independent and neutral foreign and economic ties with both US and China.

 

We should start by building our own strengths so we will not be used as pawns by either of the two superpowers.


Edited by camiar, 17 June 2019 - 10:51 AM.


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 11:35 AM

Yes, that's one of US and UK strategies. They use Hong Kong and Taiwan as conduit to sow seeds of dissent, hoping to generate internal strife in the mainland.
 
The US has been using this "tried and tested" method of instilling antagonistic mindset among political opposition in the Philippines to keep our national leaders off-balanced, constantly besieged by political pressure, forcing them to be subservient to US policies.
 
 
In the long run, what benefit would we get from a destabilized, anarchic China?
 
The Philippines is better off promoting a friendly but independent and neutral foreign and economic ties with both US and China.
 
We should start by building our own strengths so we will not be used as pawns by either of the two superpowers.


Possible benefit among others is if China is divided, they would have to guard against each other and not just against outsiders. Magiging konti na lang yung pang pondo nila sa military guarding the WPS. Kung mangyari yan, mas magiging free na ulit ang navigation.
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Posted 17 June 2019 - 11:53 AM

Possible benefit among others is if China is divided, they would have to guard against each other and not just against outsiders. Magiging konti na lang yung pang pondo nila sa military guarding the WPS. Kung mangyari yan, mas magiging free na ulit ang navigation.

That's the short term benefit. They'll be too busy fighting each other to bother us.

 

The long term benefit ? None.

 

The long term impact is that we will face a huge destabilized nation who can't control itself, its people in migrating in droves, or worse, exporting their anarchy into their neighboring countries.



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Posted 17 June 2019 - 07:59 PM

The goal is not to defeat China but to destroy the Communist Party. Let the Formosan rule the mainland.

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Posted 18 June 2019 - 08:18 AM

This is not actually a "war" but a "trade war"..

 

I hope US will punish China more because of what they did in the recto bank



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 08:52 PM

This is not actually a "war" but a "trade war"..

 

I hope US will punish China more because of what they did in the recto bank

 

Do you really think US will do anything about the boat ramming/collision incident?

 

I will bet my last centavo it's nothing but talk just to fan the flames of gullible pinoys' emotions. 


Edited by camiar, 18 June 2019 - 08:52 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:07 AM

 

Do you really think US will do anything about the boat ramming/collision incident?

 

I will bet my last centavo it's nothing but talk just to fan the flames of gullible pinoys' emotions. 

 

well they can use that incident as an "excuse" to impose more penalties or sanctions to China para hindi masyadong halata yung mga agenda nila vs China



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Posted 27 June 2019 - 05:33 PM

I think that the US will ride with any issues that they could use to escalate their need to go to war.  Just like what happened with Iraq, where they accused Iraq with weapons of mass destruction - they just used that as an excuse for them to invade Iraq, They are just lurking around waiting for China to make a very big mistake.



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Posted 29 June 2019 - 11:25 AM

That's the short term benefit. They'll be too busy fighting each other to bother us.
 
The long term benefit ? None.
 
The long term impact is that we will face a huge destabilized nation who can't control itself, its people in migrating in droves, or worse, exporting their anarchy into their neighboring countries.


Apparently HK used to contribute up to 27% of PROC’s GDP, during its peak, just before the handover. Thus, PROC in its quest to assure that HK remains productive, agreed to the one nation two systems till 2049 to make sure HK is able to maintain is way of life which so happens to be productive. More recently though, we can also witness PROC asserting its authority in HK again, arguably in subtle but bolder and bolder ways. Some commentators says, its because from that high of 27% contribution of HK, its now down to mere 3%. Its not that HK declined to the abyss but its just that more and more PROC cities have risen up - ie Chongqing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and others.

I guess my point is, these very diverse cities with tens of millions of populations and with humongous GDP values can be smaller nations relative to entire PROC and they themselves may possibly end up competing with each other. Shihuangdi, did all he can to unite china because he recognized that being united gives them more strength - thereby making the surrounding nations weaker. I think the flip side is also true, that is if the central government is weakened, the CCP with it, then the surrounding nations can more easily rise up. My thought is more mid strength nations vs one super strong nation is more beneficial. Same principle with economics, that is why the goal of government really is to enlarge the middle class. Otherwise, one ends up with monopoly/duopoly/oligarchy as the case may be.

Another example is what happened to USSR after the early 90’s. There are former USSR member states that went leaps and bounds because of the collapse.

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 12:03 PM

Apparently HK used to contribute up to 27% of PROC’s GDP, during its peak, just before the handover. Thus, PROC in its quest to assure that HK remains productive, agreed to the one nation two systems till 2049 to make sure HK is able to maintain is way of life which so happens to be productive. More recently though, we can also witness PROC asserting its authority in HK again, arguably in subtle but bolder and bolder ways. Some commentators says, its because from that high of 27% contribution of HK, its now down to mere 3%. Its not that HK declined to the abyss but its just that more and more PROC cities have risen up - ie Chongqing, Shanghai, Shenzhen and others.

I guess my point is, these very diverse cities with tens of millions of populations and with humongous GDP values can be smaller nations relative to entire PROC and they themselves may possibly end up competing with each other. Shihuangdi, did all he can to unite china because he recognized that being united gives them more strength - thereby making the surrounding nations weaker. I think the flip side is also true, that is if the central government is weakened, the CCP with it, then the surrounding nations can more easily rise up. My thought is more mid strength nations vs one super strong nation is more beneficial. Same principle with economics, that is why the goal of government really is to enlarge the middle class. Otherwise, one ends up with monopoly/duopoly/oligarchy as the case may be.

Another example is what happened to USSR after the early 90’s. There are former USSR member states that went leaps and bounds because of the collapse.

 

Well said.

 

But after the hypothetical collapse of a CCP-controlled PROC, the rise of one strong Chinese state amid weaker states will take decades to stabilize.  In the meantime, the chaos will destabilize the South East Asian Region. 

 

On the other hand, in this age of modern communication technology, the CCP can better govern, unite, and control the PROC than its past kings ad emperors did during the age of imperial China. In fact, the communication networking technology today is moving towards the capability to govern the entire world. There is a higher probability that China will rise to control at least half of the World (i.e One strong Asian continent amid lesser or weaker continents.)


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