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Your logic is flawed.

 

What you don't seem to understand is that free college education is a privilege, not a right.

 

You don't seem to understand simple math, as well. See the simple math calculations below:

 

There are approximately 10 million Filipinos between 17 to 21 years old. About 7 Million of them are from poor families and 3 million are from middle and upper class. If 10% of poor students are deserving and 20% of middle and upper class meets the same academic criteria, then we will have to give free education to 1.3 million deserving Filipino college students, more than half of which (700,000 vs 600,000) are from poor families. Mas marami pa rin sa makikinabang ay mahihirap.

 

Take note:

 

Tuition Fees for acceptable quality college education for these 1.3 million students alone will already cost the government at least PhP 65 Billion pesos investment per year.

 

Bro, I think you are the one who has a flawed logic in here. Allow me to break down your argument.

 

FACT: There are 10 million Filipinos between 17 to 21 years old of age.

 

FACT: 7 million out of those 10 million are from poor families and the remaining 3 million from the middle to upper class.

 

ACCORDING TO CAMIAR: If 10% of poor students are deserving and 20% of middle and upper class meets the same academic criteria, then we will have to give free education to 1.3 million deserving Filipino college students, more than half of which (700,000 vs 600,000) are from poor families. Mas marami pa rin sa makikinabang ay mahihirap.

 

There lies the big flaw in your logic, your statement begins with an "if" which implies it may happen or may not happen. What if just 2% of the poor students would qualify for the free tuition, we may never know of course unless we implement such policy. Better yet, how can you be so certain that at least 20% of those poor students would qualify for it. I am very much aware of these factors because having been a teacher for 10 years, I've seen just how much poor students are disproportionately at a disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunities in the tertiary level.

 

WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON: I agree with you that free college education is a matter of privilege and not a right. What I would like to point out is that the proposed policy will be no better than what we have today which barely benefits the poor people simply because a lot of them may not have the qualifications to avail such privilege. I am of the opinion that the best way to extend the opportunity of tertiary education to the poor is through an optional student loan. That way, whatever money the government will spend will eventually pay off (literally) in the future. Those who can pay for college will simply pay for it and those who cannot can simply avail of the loan.

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Bro, I think you are the one who has a flawed logic in here. Allow me to break down your argument.

 

FACT: There are 10 million Filipinos between 17 to 21 years old of age.

 

FACT: 7 million out of those 10 million are from poor families and the remaining 3 million from the middle to upper class.

 

ACCORDING TO CAMIAR: If 10% of poor students are deserving and 20% of middle and upper class meets the same academic criteria, then we will have to give free education to 1.3 million deserving Filipino college students, more than half of which (700,000 vs 600,000) are from poor families. Mas marami pa rin sa makikinabang ay mahihirap.

 

There lies the big flaw in your logic, your statement begins with an "if" which implies it may happen or may not happen. What if just 2% of the poor students would qualify for the free tuition, we may never know of course unless we implement such policy. Better yet, how can you be so certain that at least 20% of those poor students would qualify for it. I am very much aware of these factors because having been a teacher for 10 years, I've seen just how much poor students are disproportionately at a disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunities in the tertiary level.

 

WHAT WE CAN AGREE ON: I agree with you that free college education is a matter of privilege and not a right. What I would like to point out is that the proposed policy will be no better than what we have today which barely benefits the poor people simply because a lot of them may not have the qualifications to avail such privilege. I am of the opinion that the best way to extend the opportunity of tertiary education to the poor is through an optional student loan. That way, whatever money the government will spend will eventually pay off (literally) in the future. Those who can pay for college will simply pay for it and those who cannot can simply avail of the loan.

The flawed premise in your logic is that free tuition benefits the middle class more than the poor. Your premise is flawed because our tax spending on free tuition should be invested only to Filipino students who qualify -- not because they are poor, but because they have the brains and the right attitude to put our investment to good use.

 

I think you were just holding back on outright saying that the benefits should favor the poor while the middle class and the rich should not benefit from free tuition.

 

If we are giving free tuition benefits, we should give it to ALL FILIPINO students who qualify, REGARDLESS OF SOCIAL STATUS.

 

All the rest who didn't qualify will have to avail of other ways of financing his/her college education through grants, scholarship, educational loans, and good old-fashioned blood-sweat-and-tears of their parents.

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The flawed premise in your logic is that free tuition benefits the middle class more than the poor. Your premise is flawed because our tax spending on free tuition should be invested only to Filipino students who qualify -- not because they are poor, but because they have the brains and the right attitude to put our investment to good use.

 

I think you were just holding back on outright saying that the benefits should favor the poor while the middle class and the rich should not benefit from free tuition.

 

If we are giving free tuition benefits, we should give it to ALL FILIPINO students who qualify, REGARDLESS OF SOCIAL STATUS.

 

All the rest who didn't qualify will have to avail of other ways of financing his/her college education through grants, scholarship, educational loans, and good old-fashioned blood-sweat-and-tears of their parents.

I only want to point out that such practice (which will likely benefit most of the middle-upper class) basically defeats the purpose of free education in the first place. Why would you institute free tuition in the first place, basically to expand the reach of education to those who cannot afford it which is why socialist groups are clamoring for it. By merely making it exclusive to those who deserve it (most likely to come from middle-upper class) is basically a waste of resources since these people can pay for their education anyway with or without government assistance. That is why I don't think the policy of giving free tuition only to students who deserve it (by academic qualifications) does not make any sense in the long run since it will not address the educational needs of those people who need the most.

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Free college education fund now complete

http://news.mb.com.ph/2017/09/21/free-college-education-fund-now-complete/

 

The House of Representatives (HOR) has gathered enough funds for the full implementation of Republic Act (RA) 10931 or the Universal Access to Quality Tertiary Education Act, Rep. Karlo Nograles bared Thursday.

“I’m happy to announce we’ve found P40 billion to finance the free higher education [law] for 2018,” Nograles, Chairman of the House Committee on Appropriations, told reporters in a press conference

“We got P30 billion from the Department of Education (DepEd) for their school building program particularly those with problems on their no buildable space, no vacant lot…we were able to carve out P30 billion from that budget.

“The rest: from the Department of Transportation (DOTr), there are two projects there in the detailed engineering planning…it’s an ODA (Official Development Assistance) project, it is the EDSA BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) project and the Quezon Avenue BRT project. So both of them combined [and] we were able to get P3 billion to add to the free higher education [fund],” Nograles said.

Apart from that, HOR was able to raise P6 billion from various scholarship programs embedded in the SUCs and CHED.

“We also had various reductions in the projects of the DICT (Department of Information and Communications Technology) for ICT systems and infrastructure. So all in all, we were able to raise P40 billion,” Nograles said.

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my 3 cent opinion

 

its good that everyone has the right to free education. and since its already free, there shouldn't be any reason why not to up the standard. we should not be just an employee minded society, our young people should be educated not only to be become employees but also researchers and business owners and leaders. free education means correct and useful education. not just memorize. no just earning a diploma. it should constitute a higher consciousness such as being of service to the people rather than just to earn money, higher salary and bonuses. those educated by the state should give back to the society, maybe 1 hour free service in a week. or something to give back to those who supported your education. (each and every Filipino taxpayer) so I think free is good, but it should not be self centered (i.e. I graduate earn lots of dough and its my turn to close the door behind me so no one can follow attitude)

 

for those dumb idiot students that just wants to go to school and just fair it all day, looking for babes, looking for gimik, inom and bars, and shitty things, they should not be in school. they should be the ones begging in the streets. that's also a good point why the standard should be raised. to segregate the idiots from the hard working individuals that strive hard.

 

for those students that try hard and fail... you need to up your game. try something that is suitable for you... do not fool yourself. (education is free, I want to become a lawyer.) good! but do understand that its not just complete attendance and good looks that will bring you to the finish line. you need to know what is your own capacity to learn, what are you good at and what can you do best. do not force all things. you may not be good at climbing trees but swim fast like a fish. find your forte.

 

for everyone else, free education is good. it also ensures that our children in the future will get educated. provided they want and eager to learn. I do support and cherish it.

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my 3 cent opinion

 

its good that everyone has the right to free education. and since its already free, there shouldn't be any reason why not to up the standard. we should not be just an employee minded society, our young people should be educated not only to be become employees but also researchers and business owners and leaders. free education means correct and useful education. not just memorize. no just earning a diploma. it should constitute a higher consciousness such as being of service to the people rather than just to earn money, higher salary and bonuses. those educated by the state should give back to the society, maybe 1 hour free service in a week. or something to give back to those who supported your education. (each and every Filipino taxpayer) so I think free is good, but it should not be self centered (i.e. I graduate earn lots of dough and its my turn to close the door behind me so no one can follow attitude)

 

for those dumb idiot students that just wants to go to school and just fair it all day, looking for babes, looking for gimik, inom and bars, and shitty things, they should not be in school. they should be the ones begging in the streets. that's also a good point why the standard should be raised. to segregate the idiots from the hard working individuals that strive hard.

 

for those students that try hard and fail... you need to up your game. try something that is suitable for you... do not fool yourself. (education is free, I want to become a lawyer.) good! but do understand that its not just complete attendance and good looks that will bring you to the finish line. you need to know what is your own capacity to learn, what are you good at and what can you do best. do not force all things. you may not be good at climbing trees but swim fast like a fish. find your forte.

 

for everyone else, free education is good. it also ensures that our children in the future will get educated. provided they want and eager to learn. I do support and cherish it.

 

We have a right to have access to quality education

 

But free education is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.

 

One has to qualify in order to earn the privilege to get free education.

 

We should create a culture of merit -- where we reward those who excel.

 

The money we allocate for free education is our Nation's investment for the future generations. It should be allocated wisely.

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dapat free tuition talaga sa state U...sa laki ng tax na binabayaran monthly...

The money you pay on your taxes cannot pay for free tuition for everybody.

 

It can only pay for those who are willing study hard to maintain good grades to deserve the free tuition.

 

Free tuition is a privilege, not a right.

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dapat free tuition talaga sa state U...sa laki ng tax na binabayaran monthly...

 

Free tuition dahil malaki kamo and binabayad mong tax?

 

Pano yung mga minimum wage earner na hindi magbabayad ng income tax? Walang free tuition dapat para sa kanila?

 

Dapat free tuition para sa mga istudyanteng matatalino at masisipag mag-aral. Only for those who excel in their studies. Ke me binayaran silang tax o wala.

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Sir hindi po ganon ibig kung sabihin...ang mga kids ko po hindi sa state u nagaaral...ang ibig kung sabihin sa laki ng tax na binabayaran dapat libre na tuition fee para sa lahat hindi po para sa akin lang, kasi sayang naman yung tax kung mabubulsa lang ng iba dapat ilaan na lang sa state u...good day sir

Puedeng libre for the K+12.

 

Pero pag dating sa University level, hindi dapat libre tuition fee para sa lahat.

 

Libre lang dapat para sa mga qualified at may commitment -- meaning, those who passed the qualifying exams and further passed the attendance requirements and the periodic exams, and able to maintain their grades.

 

Free tuition privileges should be granted based on merit, not on social or economic status, irregardless of whether they came from rich families or poor,

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this is a funny topic because nothing is free. Teachers dont work for free, teaching materials are not free, lights, electric fan, water, etc.

 

if you dont pay tuition, who is going to pay for all this? obviously its going to come from tax payers. in other words, lahat ng akala mo free babalik parin sa iyo (or sa parents mo). if the government borrows money to finance expenses, then damay pati your children and grandchildren. in the end, you are gona pay for it. nothing is free.

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this is a funny topic because nothing is free. Teachers dont work for free, teaching materials are not free, lights, electric fan, water, etc.

 

if you dont pay tuition, who is going to pay for all this? obviously its going to come from tax payers. in other words, lahat ng akala mo free babalik parin sa iyo (or sa parents mo). if the government borrows money to finance expenses, then damay pati your children and grandchildren. in the end, you are gona pay for it. nothing is free.

 

Sabihin mo yan kay Bam Aquino - yung author ng Free Tuition Law.

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Sabihin mo yan kay Bam Aquino - yung author ng Free Tuition Law.

 

no need to tell Bam. he knows this.

 

according to wikipedia: "Bam Aquino graduated summa cum laude with a Bachelor of Science degree in Management Engineering [at Ateneo de Manila university]. He took an Executive Education Program on Leadership and Public Policy, at the Kennedy School of Government in the Harvard University."

 

ateneo na, harvard pa.

 

the big question is... do the voters and taxpayers know this?

 

you dont need an advanced degree to understand "free" tuition. you just need common sense.

 

nothing is free. teachers need to be paid. suppliers of school materials need to be paid. electricity and water need to be paid.

 

free tuition only means the students dont pay for it, someone else will pay it for them. who will pay? the government will pay. where will the government get the money?

 

eh di siyempre from taxpayers.

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That is why the the students should only be able to enjoy this privilege if they qualify for it.

 

Raise the qualification requirement of Public Schools and State Colleges and Universities so that only the deserving and committed students can avail of the free education paid for by taxpayers.

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That is why the the students should only be able to enjoy this privilege if they qualify for it.

 

Raise the qualification requirement of Public Schools and State Colleges and Universities so that only the deserving and committed students can avail of the free education paid for by taxpayers.

 

kapag d mo nman pinapasok sa kolehiyo magproprotesta ang mga hitad dahil rights daw nila hehehe

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kapag d mo nman pinapasok sa kolehiyo magproprotesta ang mga hitad dahil rights daw nila hehehe

 

Madali namang ipa-intindi sa kanila na it's not a right --- it's a privilege.

 

A privilege has to be earned and maintained.

 

If they don't qualify to higher standards of state schools, they can always enrol in private schools. They can avail of private scholarships, too.

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To gain access sa mga pinagsasabi ninyo. Hindi ba marapat na pataasin pa lalo ang standards ng primary education?

 

1. free education at mandatory sa mga elementary at high school students..

2. improved education system from primary to secondary education.

3. better pay sa mga teachers from primary to secondary.

4. better facilities to nurture further growth ng mga batang student.

5. improve vocation branch ng education.

 

Malaki nga budget para sa kanila. Ang problem, hindi alam ng mga nagpapatakbo kung paano ito gagawin. The PH Govt, the most efficient organization there is.

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To gain access sa mga pinagsasabi ninyo. Hindi ba marapat na pataasin pa lalo ang standards ng primary education?

 

1. free education at mandatory sa mga elementary at high school students..

2. improved education system from primary to secondary education.

3. better pay sa mga teachers from primary to secondary.

4. better facilities to nurture further growth ng mga batang student.

5. improve vocation branch ng education.

 

Malaki nga budget para sa kanila. Ang problem, hindi alam ng mga nagpapatakbo kung paano ito gagawin. The PH Govt, the most efficient organization there is.

 

For everything you mentioned above, there are already laws and programs being implemented accordingly for primary and secondary education (i.e. K+12)

 

The topic here is Free Tuition for tertiary education in state colleges and universities.

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Madali namang ipa-intindi sa kanila na it's not a right --- it's a privilege.

 

A privilege has to be earned and maintained.

 

If they don't qualify to higher standards of state schools, they can always enrol in private schools. They can avail of private scholarships, too.

 

buti kung ganun kadaling tumanggap ng paguunawa at pilit ipipilit ang kanilang rights kuno!

 

pahirapan nila yung entrance exam para masala tlaga yung gustong magaral talaga keysa gusto lng pumasok at pumorma sa skul... samahan pa ng lakwatsa at dota lol ang project

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