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#21 Bolj

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:54 AM

Talk about generalizations again.
Ikaw na nga nagsabi depende sa terrain at environment ang pag gamit ng guerilla warfare.
I ask you this: does the Philippine terrain and environment qualify as a good candidate for guerilla warfare?


Nvm nalang halatang d mo na gets. Inayos ko nga statement mo para maiba ang pagka intindi ni daphne. Wla akong pake sa iba mong reply after that. Pa Philippine terrain kapa and environment dyan, baket may NPA vs Army ba sa ibabaw ng megamall?

Maybe next time you post on police/ military stuffs, opinions and analysis - i'll just group you with the 3 other trolls that doesn't need to be given attention.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:03 AM

Hindi ba gumamit ng guerrilla tactics ang karamihan ng wars? Oo hindi nasabi sa mga books at history pero it is part of the strategy ng bawat wars ang gumamit ng ganitong style. I personally think na isa ito sa ginamit na strategy ng mga commanders in order to win a bigger war.
Sa tingin ko nakikita mo ito sa part ng groups na mayroon technological advancement. Ang guerilla tactics is integral part ng strategy to win when you have an inferior army, technology, and info.


Ganito yan brad, kung sa umpisa palang inayos na at sinabi ang opposing forces, conditions wla na tayong pag uusapan. Wag na tayu mag over extend sa missiles.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:35 AM

Nvm nalang halatang d mo na gets. Inayos ko nga statement mo para maiba ang pagka intindi ni daphne. Wla akong pake sa iba mong reply after that. Pa Philippine terrain kapa and environment dyan, baket may NPA vs Army ba sa ibabaw ng megamall?
Maybe next time you post on police/ military stuffs, opinions and analysis - i'll just group you with the 3 other trolls that doesn't need to be given attention.


Well di ko ma-intindihan ano ba ang goal mo sa post mo. Mag ba butt in ka para i dispute yun small army vs big army at using guerilla tactics tapos sinabi mo na nga depende sa terrain tapos ngayon ayaw mo i acknowledge na yun na nga ang logical tactic para sa kanila.

Ano yun? Para lang masabi mo na well read ka sa military stuff*s*.... In short mema lang ba yun?

My answer to terrain/environment was in response to this statement of yours:

Sna pag lumaban sila harapan, ayaw naman nila makipaglaban sa Gov't Forces ng harapan eh.


Tapos ngayon iiwas ka at may megamall ka pa dyan.

Kung di sya effective for them, bakit nandyan pa din sila after so many decades?

On to other stuff(s), then...

Edited by tk421, 16 December 2017 - 10:44 AM.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:26 AM

Lols. May alam ka ba na small army na hindi gumamit ng guerilla tactics in order to win a war?


Basa nalang ulet history books brad, wla tayong dapat pag awayan.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:53 AM

"If you have a smaller army, the best strategy is to use guerilla warfare".

Lagyan mo ng "like the NPA" after ng smaller army. Magkakasundo tayo.

Anyway sa bait ko about lumaban sila ng harapan, lets just say its a bait to challenge their ideals.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 12:16 PM

Mema talaga. We are talking about in the context of the Philippines, sus. Kelangan talaga i expand yun usapan para lang masabing may alam sa military tactics.

Sige na. Para sa NPA guerilla tactics ang best strategy para sa kanila.

Hindi ko pa din kino condone yun just in case anyone (not you, specifically) needs reminding.

At ang army ang laban sa battlefield. And ibang leftist groups ang laban within the legal system. So ewan ko ano ang di mo maintidihan dun. Pinaglalaban nila ideals nila ibat iba lang ang platforms nila.

Edited by tk421, 16 December 2017 - 12:19 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 01:22 PM

Mema talaga. We are talking about in the context of the Philippines, sus. Kelangan talaga i expand yun usapan para lang masabing may alam sa military tactics.
Sige na. Para sa NPA guerilla tactics ang best strategy para sa kanila.
Hindi ko pa din kino condone yun just in case anyone (not you, specifically) needs reminding.
At ang army ang laban sa battlefield. And ibang leftist groups ang laban within the legal system. So ewan ko ano ang di mo maintidihan dun. Pinaglalaban nila ideals nila ibat iba lang ang platforms nila.


Thank You :-)

@ daphne - brad as of now ilang country pa ang may successful communism? May idea ka. You think makaka uwe pa kaya si sison?

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 04:34 PM

The same chance of a) getting rid of the leftist movement; B) uplifting the life of the poor; c) Duterte being consistent with his decisions. So no: he will not be coming back to PH anytime soon.

And need I remind you being leftist does not also equate to communism? Pwede namang socialist, no?

Edited by tk421, 16 December 2017 - 04:37 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 10:41 PM

don't worry bolj. I know much about history and civilisation. And from what i read, ang GT ay isang uri ng strategy na ginagamit ng mga commanders kapag sa kanilang tingin ay hindi sila nasa advantage.
No army, big or small ang hindi gumagamit nito. Kapag sa tingin nila eh nasa alanganin sila strategically.


Again opinion mo yan brad, btw brad iba ang Guerilla Strategy sa Guerilla Tactic. Again hindi ibig sabihin na mas maliit ang army mo automatic guerilla ka kaagad. Start up nina alexander the great, julius ceasar, joshua (bible), greeks, macedonians, examples of some of their wars not won by Guerilla Warfare.

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 11:42 AM

kindly look even further sa mga examples mo. Ang mga examples mo eh nanalo gamit ang kanilang advantage. Ang hindi ako sigurado eh kay joshua.
Tech advantage ang meron sa mga examples mo. Hindi magkaiba ang tactics at warfare. Iba lang ang word pero ang kanilang idea is same. To use military tactics to combat a large group of opponents.
1. Alexander the great - superior military strategy against barbarians
2. Julius ceasar - same as above
3. Greeks and macedonians - superior weaponry
Kung maliit ang army mo at mas maliit ang army ng kalaban mo. No use ang gt/gw. Gagamit ka nito kung sa tingin mo eh nasa disadvantage ka tactically. Kung maliit ang army mo at malaki naman sila. You can use this dahil magiging mobile ka at hindi ka madali i-track.
Guerilla tactic/wars/strategy ay ilan lang sa mga paraan na pwedeng gamitin ng isang general. Sinasabi mo na walang wars na ginamit lang eh guerilla tactics. Marahil nakalimutan mo na ang guerilla tactics ay isa lang sa mga paraan na pwedeng gamitin ng mga commanders kung sa tingin nila ay kailangan nilang gamitin ito. Kung sinasabi mo na walang wars na nagwagi sa pamamagitan lang ng guerilla tactics. Sasabihin ko naman sa iyo na ang wars na alam mo ay gumamit ng ganitong strategy sa kanilang pakikipag digma.

Lumilihis ka sa punto, ang punto ko nung sinabi nya na guerilla strategy ang best agad pag smaller army dun ako nag object. Ngayun mga sinasabi mo mga superior tech nina alexander, ang point ko sa mga leaders na sample ko many times sila smaller army na nanalo sila without using guerilla warfare., malayo kana sa punto hindi yan ang pinagdedebatihan. Kahit sang mo tingnan brad iba ang execution ng tactic at strategy so wag no na ipilit.

Edited by Bolj, 17 December 2017 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 05:50 PM

He just wont let it go. Kelangan yun point nya lang ang tama kasi like Duterte...

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:23 PM

Dahil ang gt at iba pang paraan ng warfare ay isa lang sa mga paraan na pwedeng gamitin ng isang general para magupo ang kanyang kalaban.


Ikaw na mismo nagsabi isa lang sa mga paraan, kaya nga sinasabi ko hindi automatic na mag GT ka kaagad. Yan ang punto, ang layo mo na maxado. Wla tayong pinagdedebatihan about sa overall battles ng history. Ang objective dito is pag smaller army ka automatic best kaagad ang GT? Mhistory na mismo nagsabi hindi pati bibliya nagsasabi din.

@tk tinuldukan mo na ang paguusap natin mag sa-side comment ka naman dyan. Start ka bagong pag uusapan natin, para kang bata. Losser dating mo brad.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:42 AM

my 5 cent opinion 

 

I think by principle, communism is good in terms of a vast population of non achievers. everybody is an employee. so whether you're a manager or a laborer your salary is the same. that's good. but does not promote growth. furthermore the government takes a more oppressing role. to silence uprisings and change in the system. since all the money is funneled to the government. everyone is a slave, except the government. so by fueling it with greed and corruption. the government is the breeding ground for decay.

 

particularly in the Philippines. the cpp should be eradicated. but people who need money makes a business out of it. by way of rallies, getting support from lazy people. (500 pesos join a rally) free food and all. 

lazy people who would like free houses, free food, free everything. these are the kinds of people that supports communists in the hope of free everything. what they don't know is that everything is free for payment of free will. you will never be hungry but in turn will never be rich. will never have a voice and will never be able to run. you are a guinea pig for life. so as your kids and everyone. 

 

activists think they are doing good, instead they are just following a false ideology. what? lower jeepney fares? nobody thinks for the jeepney driver? jeepney dirver wants lower fuel prices? who will pay the oil? as a nation, we need to pay as a country. (a lot of people are still unproductive "tagay!" street dwellers etc.) vast lands, a lot of workers. no revenue. why? idiotic policies. false ideologies.

 

just imagine our taxes being funneled to the npa, businesses asking for taxes. the npa are like leeches. they fight for nothing. actually they just want to keep their salaries, guns and power. well if cant have a position in the government, join the other side. there no queues, no tax, no nothing. just join you get some degree of power, some clout, some cash some guns and new friends. ka Freddie! hahaha.

 

the government should destroy the core of cpp npa. they are not fighting for anything. just want money and talk s@%t in the society. if they are really fighting for something, they should stand up to it and not make a business out of it. show that its worth dying for, not running to the hills and try to slug it out in the jungle. bunch of cowards and losers. 

 

the cpp cannot make this nation great. they are dead weight. demoracy is still the best.. but coupled with greedy and lazy people, democracy also rots to the core... we need to change as a country as a nation, which is easier said than done. just the traffic problem, nobody wants to give way. provincial busses don't want to give way. city busses don't want to give way. private vehicles don't want to give way. motorcycles don't want to give way. same in government. same in our people. we as individuals need to change. those who do not want to change should leave the country. why stay if you don't want to follow the law. get the f#&k out. same with cpp npa. get the f#&k out the Philippines. 

 

Very well said sir blue+george i agree with your 5cents



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 04:54 AM

@straw he just likes to take discussions out of context kasi. He likes those kind of stuff(s)...

While i do agree the npa should stop their harmful actions, i believe people with genuine struggles should continue fighting for what is right. That is the very foundation of democracy.

Pero tingin ko Dutduts followers arent happy with democracy na.

Edited by tk421, 18 December 2017 - 05:00 AM.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:40 AM

Hindi ka talaga makakabasa ng war history na explicitly says na nanalo ang isang army using guerilla tactics.


Again opinion mo yan.

Btw AoW ni sun tzu ilang beses ko na nabasa yan.

Eto ang main argument ko.

Nung sinabi nya na pag small army guerilla warfare agad ang best. I challenged it, dahil alam ko ang sagot ay hindi.

Pero ikaw naman nag aabogado sa kanya, sasabihin mong OO, and hindi nakasulat lahat sa history books. Ay abay pag ganyan ang argument mo wla na tayu dapat pag usapan pa.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 09:54 PM

Ah, yes. Dinaan sa technicality.
Nang sinubukan ko naman liwanagin ang nagiging argument mo eto ka naman dinaan mo sa technicality at ilang choice of words. Tama ka bolj. Wala na tayong pag uusapan pa kung ganyan ang diskusyunan natin.


till next time i guess, both of us won't budge anyway. We will have to leave it up to the readers to judge for themselves.

On topic: Duterte was wrong when he said the only way to deal with NPA was to just pay them revolutionary tax, as it turned out they want key positions in governing also.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 09:39 AM

Again, bunching the NPA with other leftist as if they are the same group.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 09:11 PM

you can be a patriot anytime and make a choice or do something to make everything better but not by adding more problems to the current rotting system.
 
do arson, rev tax, ambush of army and pnp, kidnapping and extortion sound like the way/means to achieve the "change" that they want?
does this extreme and violent methods the proper way to "have a new outlook" in govt?
 
these leftist condones EJK like hell, pero yung mga ambush na ginagawa nila na may nadadamay na sanggol tahimik sila? 
tell me if this gives you a sign or sincerity for the "new government" they want to achieve?
 
4-month-old baby, cop killed in NPA ambushRead more: [/size]http://www.sunstar.c...a-ambush-574059Follow us: @sunstaronline on Twitter | SunStar Philippines on Facebook[/size]
http://www.sunstar.c...a-ambush-574059
 
push ng push ng Peace Talks ampota pero ganito naman ang ginagawa nila. sinong tangang gobyerno ang papayag na ganito ang gawin sa kanila despite of giving/showing them good faith?
 
these administration had to move heaven and earth to come closer in ending their rebellion, and what do these NPA's give back in return? 
 
I want this thread not just to be a room for debate or banter but also to spread information to everyone na wag iboto at suportahan ang mga ganitong mapagpanggap na party list na supporters ng NPA. 
 
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my 5 cent opinion 
 
I think by principle, communism is good in terms of a vast population of non achievers. everybody is an employee. so whether you're a manager or a laborer your salary is the same. that's good. but does not promote growth. furthermore the government takes a more oppressing role. to silence uprisings and change in the system. since all the money is funneled to the government. everyone is a slave, except the government. so by fueling it with greed and corruption. the government is the breeding ground for decay.
 
particularly in the Philippines. the cpp should be eradicated. but people who need money makes a business out of it. by way of rallies, getting support from lazy people. (500 pesos join a rally) free food and all. 
lazy people who would like free houses, free food, free everything. these are the kinds of people that supports communists in the hope of free everything. what they don't know is that everything is free for payment of free will. you will never be hungry but in turn will never be rich. will never have a voice and will never be able to run. you are a guinea pig for life. so as your kids and everyone. 
 
activists think they are doing good, instead they are just following a false ideology. what? lower jeepney fares? nobody thinks for the jeepney driver? jeepney dirver wants lower fuel prices? who will pay the oil? as a nation, we need to pay as a country. (a lot of people are still unproductive "tagay!" street dwellers etc.) vast lands, a lot of workers. no revenue. why? idiotic policies. false ideologies.
 
just imagine our taxes being funneled to the npa, businesses asking for taxes. the npa are like leeches. they fight for nothing. actually they just want to keep their salaries, guns and power. well if cant have a position in the government, join the other side. there no queues, no tax, no nothing. just join you get some degree of power, some clout, some cash some guns and new friends. ka Freddie! hahaha.
 
the government should destroy the core of cpp npa. they are not fighting for anything. just want money and talk s@%t in the society. if they are really fighting for something, they should stand up to it and not make a business out of it. show that its worth dying for, not running to the hills and try to slug it out in the jungle. bunch of cowards and losers. 
 
the cpp cannot make this nation great. they are dead weight. demoracy is still the best.. but coupled with greedy and lazy people, democracy also rots to the core... we need to change as a country as a nation, which is easier said than done. just the traffic problem, nobody wants to give way. provincial busses don't want to give way. city busses don't want to give way. private vehicles don't want to give way. motorcycles don't want to give way. same in government. same in our people. we as individuals need to change. those who do not want to change should leave the country. why stay if you don't want to follow the law. get the f#&k out. same with cpp npa. get the f#&k out the Philippines.


HEAR HEAR! I agree with you daphne loves derby and blue+george!

Almost every country where Communism or Socialism has been tried ended up to be a failure. Even China, the only remaining Communist superpower since the fall of the Soviet Union, embraced capitalism in order to compete globally, rebuild China from Mao's Cultural Revolution and expand political power beyond their borders. Vietnam also capitalist now. Cuba is gradually opening up to the world.

I believe Communism/Socialism is an outdated political idea and doesn't have a place in an interconnected (social, cultural & economic) world that we live in right now. Our world is far different now from the industrial and imperial era when Karl Marx first wrote his the communist manifesto.

To end my post, let me link a video that I found on Twitter that I think is suitable to the topic we have here folks.

Link: https://twitter.com/...087593667928065

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 07:47 AM

Noong una BFF ni Duterte si Joma Sison, kampi tayo . Sumigaw pa nga sya ng Mabuhay ang NPA! Sabi pa nga sya daw ang first leftist president. Pero ngayon kagalit na ni idol Duterte galit na din tayo sa leftist.


Wag kalimutan na habang binabatikos si pangulong lodi sa kanyang pagiging masyadong makakaliwaaw e siya namang depensa ng mga Tards at sabing napakagaling ni lodi dahil siya ang kaunaunahang pangulong makapagpapaisa sa ating bansa kaya nga daw binibigyan pa niya ng posisyon sa pamahalaan/gabinete ang ikan sa mga makakaliwa.

Pero nakalimutan mo na ba rin na kailangan marunong kang tumukoy kung alin sa sinasabi at ginagawa ni lodi ang joke o biro lang. Well maaring isa ito sa mga pagbibiro lang ni Lodi. Lol

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 04:33 PM

For my own opinion NPA or any non goverment miltary groups should be abolish, eradicate or any word that is synonimous to destruction, for just a simple reason.... we have a great fuctioning goverment and we need to support it... anyone oppose to the goverment should be subject for threat or terrorism... but if the goverment it self will be a threat to my family or my life or it shift to tyrrany ofcourse i can be rougue... but that just my opinion... the current admin have may full support






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