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#781 haroots2

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:21 PM

The Law on supply and demand still applies to illegal drugs.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 07:22 PM

It does. But abundant supply can also bring in demand. 

 

Drug addicts are what are called return customers. But if supply was to be cut off, what can the customers do?

 

After all, a decade and a half ago, there was no demand for an iPhone, was there?

 

For example, if we suddenly ban importation/seize importation of iPhones in the Philippines, do you think a lot of people will still have the latest iPhone models? Only the well-to-do and connected individuals will still get their hands on one. 

 

Of course, it's not as easy as that. As I said before, this is a complicated issue and it needs some creative thinking on how to solve it.

 

But if you do the math, there are fewer suppliers than there are users. Fewer people who are able to smuggle these illegal narcotics than people who distribute these locally...


Edited by tk421, 08 December 2017 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted 10 December 2017 - 10:36 PM

Nakita niyo na ba anong kaya gawin ng mga adik sa batang babae? That alone magdidilim na paningin ko at isasang tabi mercy. Oo masama pumatay, pero kung anak ko yun biktima at ako masusunod, sure patay isang buong baranggay ng adik.... pasensya na sa madamay.

Lahat ng tao na nakikinabang sa drug trade ay hindi inosente. Lahat ng tao na nawalan ng kamaganak dahil sa krimen related sa droga ay biktima rin.

Gera to. Mabagal, mapolitika at madugo. Kung ayaw niyo ng "EJK", edi kayo na magpulis!

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Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:54 AM

Kahit hindi adik kayang gawin yan. Eh nakita mo ano ginagawa ng mga pulis para pagtaguan lang yun mga pinatay nila (na hindi adik gaya ni Jee Ick Joo, yun korean businessman na na kidnap at pinatay)?

 

Doon hindi nagdidilim paningin ninyo?



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 11:56 AM

Roque: ‘Hypocrites’ De Lima, Gascon signed AO on EJKs

http://newsinfo.inqu...der-no-35-ao-35

 

The President’s spokesperson pointed out that De Lima and Gascon signed A0 35 which does not include drug pushers, drug users and other common criminals as probable victims of EJKs.
De Lima was then secretary of Justice while Gascon was undersecretary for political affairs of the Office of the Presidential Adviser on Political Affairs.


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Posted 11 December 2017 - 05:47 PM

Not that I'm saying I'm siding with DeLima (she's just being served karma), but here's my take on this:

 

While yes, it does not include Drug Pushers, Users and other Common criminal deaths under EJK (who would have known we'd have so many deaths like this now), and they were not very forward thinking, at least they did something (which is the aforementioned AO) to address the rampant deaths happening at the time.

 

And don't be so narrow-minded that the AO was in response to so-called yellowtards being killed as they were at the height of their power at the time. It was to protect all political groups, all media organizations, all organizations, regardless of color affiliation. And if we are to be generous with our interpretation, then we can also interpret drug suspects as affiliated with the drug organization as it does not say if said organization should be registered with the government naman.

 

Yes, they failed to foresee protection of other groups like crime suspects and stuff, but at least they made an attempt to protect someone.

 

What has this administration done to address these killings happening now, again? Have they condemned it? Have they signed their own AO to prevent more widespread killings?



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Posted 11 December 2017 - 10:39 PM

 What has this administration done to address these killings happening now, again? Have they condemned it? Have they signed their own AO to prevent more widespread killings?


Nice question but Are you serious? Or are you joking?

On point on daphnes post - gascon and delima are biased individuals, one should expect that trash from them.

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 08:04 AM

 

Yes, they failed to foresee protection of other groups like crime suspects and stuff, but at least they made an attempt to protect someone.

 

What has this administration done to address these killings happening now, again? Have they condemned it? Have they signed their own AO to prevent more widespread killings?

 

coining your logic. how many innocent families, women and children do you think had been protected so far with the reduced number of drug users/sellers?

how many lives do you think you can save by killing a number of these drug addicts? pero sa "attempt" lang nung dating admin bilib na bilib ka na.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

why do you need an AO when you already declared an all out war? 

 

what do you want to point out by asking an AO for them? just to protect or validate De Lima and Gascon?

 

the point here is their hypocrisy and being double standard. They are purely political just like the others. Pag nagpalit ng kulay at hindi pabor, kontra. as simple as that. 


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 02:37 PM

 

coining your logic. how many innocent families, women and children do you think had been protected so far with the reduced number of drug users/sellers?

how many lives do you think you can save by killing a number of these drug addicts? pero sa "attempt" lang nung dating admin bilib na bilib ka na.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

why do you need an AO when you already declared an all out war? 

 

what do you want to point out by asking an AO for them? just to protect or validate De Lima and Gascon?

 

the point here is their hypocrisy and being double standard. They are purely political just like the others. Pag nagpalit ng kulay at hindi pabor, kontra. as simple as that. 

 

 

How many were protected? Your guess is as good as mine. 

 

Yes, an attempt is better than nothing.

 

I don't really care about DeLima, actually... so no I'm not affected by your insult against her.

 

But you are one to talk about hypocrisy when your president is the greatest one of them all... unless you use that "but he was only joking" excuse again. If so, then I give up.



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 11:14 AM

So apparently, the police cant even prove there was a firefight during one of these legit operations.

http://newsinfo.inqu...time=1513117059

Edited by tk421, 13 December 2017 - 11:23 AM.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 06:46 PM

 

coining your logic. how many innocent families, women and children do you think had been protected so far with the reduced number of drug users/sellers?

 

Considering your logic, how many innocent families, women and children do you think have been killed by overzealous citizens (who can't distinguish between presidential hyperbole and pure bullshit) or state agents?



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 06:59 PM

 

why do you need an AO when you already declared an all out war? 

 

what do you want to point out by asking an AO for them? just to protect or validate De Lima and Gascon?

 

There are such things as rules of war (i.e. Geneva Convention) that sets acceptable wartime conduct. Hinde porke't state of war e wala nang rules bigla.

 

But this discussion is moot since a declaration of "all out war" (whatever the f#&k that means) has no legal effect unless it is backed by relevant laws and implementing rules.

 

The point of the previous AO was to keep the executive department informed regarding EJKs and the resolution of said cases. But presumably, this regime does not need to be informed since they are the primary perpetrator (allegedly) of said EJKs.  :rolleyes:


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Posted Yesterday, 07:22 PM

Want to see a glimpse of Philippines drug war 10 years from now? Check out Mexico.

60,000 killed so far. Were on course to surpass that at 6,000 deaths in one year.

http://www.borderlan...ictims.html?m=1

Edited by tk421, Yesterday, 07:25 PM.






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