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#61 haroots2

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:25 PM

Every medical experts asked during the senate hearing said the implementation was premature.  Sec. Ubial had an effort to stop it, ang mali talaga niya is she gave in to the pressure without informing the president.



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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:55 PM

But she is an alter-ego of the president. thus shouldn't the president be accountable by virtue of command responsibility?

Also ganon ba ka walang alam ang presidente na hindi siya aware na patuloy pa din ang programa

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:59 PM

For negative things, no. Command responsibility doesn't go up (only down).

 

For favorable things, the chain of command goes to the very top (and doesn't go down).

 

You should know that by now. :D



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Posted 30 December 2017 - 12:53 PM

Ang mahirap dyn, president aquino himself attended the meetings, tpos bglang wala akong alam? E lht nlng walang alam e.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 08:04 PM

Ang mahirap dyn, president aquino himself attended the meetings, tpos bglang wala akong alam? E lht nlng walang alam e.


hindi ba mas magandang idahilan na ipinatupad dahil walang alam sa mga "risk" kaysa naman yun mga talak ng talak ngayon sa risk at itinuturo yun kapalpakan ng nakaraang administrasyon and yet sa sobrang galing nila eh ipinagpatuloy pa rin ang isang palpak na programa

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 08:10 PM

hindi ba mas magandang idahilan na ipinatupad dahil walang alam sa mga "risk" kaysa naman yun mga talak ng talak ngayon sa risk at itinuturo yun kapalpakan ng nakaraang administrasyon and yet sa sobrang galing nila eh ipinagpatuloy pa rin ang isang palpak na programa


I cannot blame anybody. I am not prepared to condemn anybody there simply because we bought that. The amount is nothing to meany amount that could save the Filipino, especially the children, the President said in a press briefing... Yan ang sabi ni duterte...

Malay ba nyang gNun pla tlga ka bobo si pnoy... Wala nang tama e.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:24 PM

of course you're not to blame anybody except as you said "bobo si pNoy...wala nang tama e"


Ang point dun, konti na nga lang ang ginawa mali pa. At pg tanungin cya kng bkt mali, hindi daw nya alam.

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 07:40 AM

you said you are not blaming anybody but ikaw na nagsasabi "mali" ginawa...ano tawag dun? hindi pa ba blaming yan .... bakit nagkaganito ang sitwasyon? "mali kasi ginawa niya". if indeed you are not blaming anyone then hindi ba you were to withold any prejudice.

bakit di mo tanungin ni Digong kung bakit nila ipinagpatuloy ang isang programang "mali" pala. ikaw alam mong "mali" siya alam ba niya? sa palagay ko di rin ... kasi mas malala siya kung alam niyang mali ipinagpatuloy pa din.


I am just quoting what president said. Medyo typo lng ako, d ko nalagyan ng "".

Ang mahirap sa ginawa nila, hindi pa approved ng WHO at andami pang grey area e tinira agad nila bilyon pa ang ginastos. Ikaw ba, pag may nag resign at may bilyon pisong software syang binili para sa company nyo at for implementation nlng, hindi mo ba iimplement? Nagkataon lng na sa sobrang sama ng budhi cguro ng mga aquino, kaya sila nakakarma ng ganyan. What are thr effing chances.

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 01:36 PM

I am just quoting what president said. Medyo typo lng ako, d ko nalagyan ng "".

Ang mahirap sa ginawa nila, hindi pa approved ng WHO at andami pang grey area e tinira agad nila bilyon pa ang ginastos. Ikaw ba, pag may nag resign at may bilyon pisong software syang binili para sa company nyo at for implementation nlng, hindi mo ba iimplement? Nagkataon lng na sa sobrang sama ng budhi cguro ng mga aquino, kaya sila nakakarma ng ganyan. What are thr effing chances.


Ur subsequent comment shows ur passing judgement...

Let me throw the question back to you kung ikaw ang magiimplement nun software na nabili na and you know ikapapahanak ito ng system ninyo itutuloy mo?

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 03:05 PM

Ur subsequent comment shows ur passing judgement...

Let me throw the question back to you kung ikaw ang magiimplement nun software na nabili na and you know ikapapahanak ito ng system ninyo itutuloy mo?


I am really passing judgement.
Hell yeah, i impliment ko yan. Bkt ko hindi implement e naglabas na ng pera ang company, hindi nmn na maibabablik yun. Pero hahabulin ko ung mga nag research nun. At tatangalin ko lahat ng retaso na kasama dun sa nag study. Chicken salad out of chicken s@%t.

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 04:09 PM

Ayaw ko ata ikaw maging IT head namin kung ganun. LOL.

I would not dare lose more money by introducing an unsafe software in our system. Nevermind that I may have spent some already on a faulty one at that.

That would also be true in the case where lives are at stake. If I knew there were real risks, I would err on the side of caution and hold off on its implementation or at least mitigate the risk before introducing it to the masses.

Doing something risky and agreeing with the assessment with the original implementors then blaming them when something goes wrong is bad management style. Parang di din nalalayo sa blame game na ginagawa ni Penoy dati.

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 06:50 PM

implementing an something that knowingly could cause problems to your IT system just because your company have already bought it is plain and simply dumb. moreso if you apply that logic wherein lives and not systems would be at risk.

sa stock trading, investment gurus do preach on cutting your losses ... kung may pinasukan kang isang investment at sa tingin mo alanganin na cut loss na kaysa lumaki pa ang losses. alam mo na maaring may mamatay at naniniwala ka sa info itutuloy mo pa? wow!

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 10:30 PM

You have to trust the system. Kaya nga may heirarchy ka ng approval. Kung lahat nlng ng binili at napalitan ung bumili e mag uundergo ulit ng process panis na ung software mo bago mo ilabas and it would hold you back. Parang ung telecoms natin, d b bumili sila ng billion dollar facilities only to find out na after a few years e passe na ung technology. So what did they do, they ran with what they have. Ganun dn yang software anyway you have updates naman, so you can solve it as you go along. Kung lahat ng mali ng previous e minomoth ball mo on account na natatakot ka e sa kangkungan ka pupulutin tulad ng pilipinas.
Its a different story when lives are at stake, pero that is the fastest way to move forward. Kaya nga bawal ang duwag na leader. As a leader ako I would have done what duterte would have, implement ko. (except kung ang naiwan sa akin e for review pa dn ang dengvaxia). Pero kung ready for implementation go na yan. On a no holds real talk frank situation sa bawat 50 na bata, baka 25 dyn na dengue na and it would have saved 50% and left 50% a fighting 50 50% chance. Kaya hindi lahat ng tao pwedeng maging leader. Only high flyers ang leader.
Kaso... Talagang napaka bobo nmn talaga ni PNoy na out of the game changing projects nya e lahat puro sablay. Even ung pagkakapatay ng international terrorist, napatay nga, sablay pa dn. Bumili ng bagong bagon for transport system,sablay pa dn. Bumili ng plaka para mas madali ang rehistro, sablay pa dn... Ano ba naman yan.

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 05:05 AM

maganda yang “trust the system” ... kaso kapag si PNoy nag trust sa system kaya ipinatupad niya ang programa para maibsan ang problema sa dengue sasabihin mo mali at palpak. pero kahit alam mo at sinasabi mong palpak si PNoy dahil bumili ito at nagimplement ng vaccine program na nakamamatay and yet sangayon ka na ipagpatuloy ito kasi “trust the system”...lol as usual double standards



hay ...ang layo naman ng example mo. langit at lupa ang pagkakaiba ng isang obsolete technology sa issue ng dengvaccia. un una kahit obsolete na ang technology at tinuloy mo ang epekto nagagamit naman yun nga lang di nasa uso. parang cel phone kahit na may iphone x na pero iphone 5 pa rin binili at ginagamit mo di mo naman ikamamatay yan diba. may threat ba? para lang yan yun software wherein sinasabi maaring mag crash o ikapahamak ng existing system and yet itutuloy mo paggamit kahit alam mo na may masamang mangyayari. yun vaccine actually new technology yan di obsolete pero ang issue mo maaring makamtay itotapos ipapagpatuloy mo? wow! nun

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 11:31 AM

Basahin mo nga sir ung statement ko.
Bgyan kta ng idea or clue what I am driving at from the start. Ang sinasabi ko, okey lng nmn magkamali. Ang kaso ang dami mong mali at ang rason mo e hindi mo alam, walang nagsabi syo. Aba e napaka hina mo nmn. Hindi bat nag cite ako ng 3 "game changing" daw na projects na puro palapak. E ikaw b nmn e puro palpak na sasambahin mo pa ba. Mind the word ha PURO PALPAK meaning madami, hindi isa lng. Not just dengvaxia, as a whole.

Edited by Kingkongphils, 02 January 2018 - 11:38 AM.


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Posted 02 January 2018 - 05:33 PM

Ako, hindi ko ipagkakailang judgemental ako vs Abnoy. 

 

As I see it, Abnoy was not really running the government during his term. His handlers have always been doing the job for him. He's nothing but a puppet of Abad. 

 

Sa opinyon ko, para kay Abad, the Dengvaxia purchase is just another source of funds for the Liberal Party's campaign chest, that's why they fast-tracked its procurement before the elections.

 

Abnoy was just acting on Abad's instructions in order to raise funds for the party.



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Posted 02 January 2018 - 05:46 PM

Ang point dun, konti na nga lang ang ginawa mali pa. At pg tanungin cya kng bkt mali, hindi daw nya alam.

 

Puro sabi ni Pnoy nung Senate hearing  "Sabi nila" kaya niya ito tinuloy .  Nagtataka nga ako hindi siya tinanong kung sniu-sino yung mga yun. Baka si Garin  and Abad lang yun.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:31 AM

Well... in any case, he was part of the machinations that put a stop to that project.

Edited by tk421, 03 January 2018 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 04:51 PM

Yun nga e.
As a WHOLE nga, tgnan mo minothball mo ung zte broadband, (although admitedly hindi pa for implementation yun) only to find filipino clamouring for a faster internet connection. Tapos eto ngyn tyo ano nganga, yahoo yahoo sa telstra? Yahoo yahoo sa chinese telecom?
Minothball mo ung north rail project, tpos ngyn problema ka na sa trapik at ngaka problema pa sa dispatch ng truck sa customs, dahil sa truck ban. E kung tinuloy mo nlng e d sna solve na un.
Ang classic ung mga sinolo nyang projects ayun palpak, tpos tNungin kng bkt nGka ganun hindi nya alam. Susmio

I defended GMA's broadband project in this forum regarding our need for the broadband project. It could have been one of the most significant improvement in our data communications and internet capacities. The LP hounded the project to death.

 

I also defended GMA's North rail project as it would help decongest Manila International Airport and allow more economic activity for Northern Luzon. Who is the main detractor who de-railed the project? LP's Franklin Drilon. He wanted the fund transferred to his Iloilo railway pet project.

 

Pero, OT na tayo. 

 

Dengvaxia ang topic.

 

Kelan kakasuhan si Abnoy, Abad, and the rest of the gang?


Edited by camiar, 10 January 2018 - 04:55 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:39 PM

Yun nga e.
As a WHOLE nga, tgnan mo minothball mo ung zte broadband, (although admitedly hindi pa for implementation yun) only to find filipino clamouring for a faster internet connection. Tapos eto ngyn tyo ano nganga, yahoo yahoo sa telstra? Yahoo yahoo sa chinese telecom?
Minothball mo ung north rail project, tpos ngyn problema ka na sa trapik at ngaka problema pa sa dispatch ng truck sa customs, dahil sa truck ban. E kung tinuloy mo nlng e d sna solve na un.
Ang classic ung mga sinolo nyang projects ayun palpak, tpos tNungin kng bkt nGka ganun hindi nya alam. Susmio


yang mga sinasabi mo na project kapag tinuloy eh yayaman ang arroyo corporation. Pakatandaan, galit ang magnanakaw sa kapwa magnanakaw. Kaya nga sila nagpapatayan pra lang makaupo sa malacañang eh.

Yung sinasabi mo na pnr project ni gma. Sandamakmak ang patong at archaic pa ang design ng tren at spec ng bagon. Ung sa broadband, bakit pa china ang mag provide ng backbone eh kaya naman pala ng ngcp ng present admin? Madali lang manisi, ginawa na yan ni GMA kay erap dati. Tapos ginawa naman ni Abnoy kay pandak. Tapos ngayon si dutae kay abnoy naman bumabakbak. Ang stupid cycle na yan eh nagsimula kay pandak. Sana lang matapos sa t**. Tayo talo sa mga katarantaduhan nila eh.





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