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#1 FleurDeLune

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 05:19 PM

Let's find out everyone's thoughts on this issue.

An extrajudicial killing is the killing of a person by governmental authorities without the sanction of any judicial proceeding or legal process. Extrajudicial punishments are mostly seen by humanity to be unethical, since they bypass the due process of the legal jurisdiction in which they occur.[citation needed] Extrajudicial killings often target leading political, trade union, dissident, religious, and social figures and may be carried out by the state government or other state authorities like the armed forces or police.
Section 3(a) of the United States Torture Victim Protection Act contains a definition of extrajudicial killing:Quotea deliberate killing not authorized by a previous judgement pronounced by a regular constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. Such term, however, does not include any such killing that, under international law, is lawfully carried out under the authority of a foreign nation.[1][a] Source

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 07:31 PM

I am in favor of the anti-drug campaign, and I want to see drug lords and drug pushers hanged by the neck or shot in the head after getting convicted.

 

But I am strongly against extrajudicial killings. 

 

Extrajudicial killings only show how weak of our justice system is and how immature the Pinoy society is with regards to the value of life.

 

I hope Duterte can get his campaign under control before it gets out of hand. 


Edited by camiar, 05 August 2016 - 07:36 PM.

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 07:44 PM

It's as simple as this ... We cannot combat crime ( drugs) by committing another crime (extrajudicial killings)
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Posted 06 August 2016 - 11:29 AM


Extrajudicial killings only show how weak of our justice system is and how immature the Pinoy society is with regards to the value of life.

 

 

We became on having  a weak justice system because of the people running it.  How many % of the prosecutors,RTC judges up to the SC are corrupt?  Marami sana sa kanilang matatalino  at idealist pero nasisira yun kapag nakikita nila for so many years na walng nangyayari sa kanilang hardwork and dedication then yung mga corrupt in judiciary and criminals ang gumugunhawa ang buhay. Dapat sila yung unang binibitay.


Edited by haroots2, 06 August 2016 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 02:39 PM

Of course we are not in favor of that. Sino namang Gagong gusto na kahit sino na lang pwede mamaril ng tao na walang kadahilanan.

 

Ni pagdadala nga ng baril ng civilian ayaw ko din nyan. Para sakin maraming (sorry sa tatamaan) gun enthusiasts  mayayabang at hangang hiram lang betlog sa boga nila. Kahit nga simpleng alitan lang sa internet magyayabang na lalagyan daw ng tingga sa dibdib kausap nya. Bigyan mo pa kaya yan ng lisensya manghunting ng hinihinalang adik?

 

Pero.....

 

Nakakainis itong mga hipokritong angal ng angal. Pero bakit nung magsasaka at mga Lumad napapatay tahimik naman sila. Si De Lima na lang, inimbestigahan ba mga pagpatay sa lumad na yan ng mga militar kasi napaghinalaang NPA? Me senador bang naging interisado tignan ito? Tapos ngayon na drug suspects napapatay akala mo kung sinong mga white knights.

 

Isa pa, bakit lagi na lang sa Presidente o sa Pulis sinisisi ito. Dalawa yan

 

1. Salvaging - Sigurado ba tayo mga pulis gumawa nito? Yun ngang estilo ng pagbalot sa mukha at paglagay ng Karatula estilo daw yan ng mga kampon ni Chapo Guzman sa SInaloan Cartel. Para ano pa oplan TOKHANG, kung gusto mo lang pala ipapatay na lang mga yan. At kelangan ba maghire ng PNP talaga ng hitman para gawin ang trabaho na sila naman me autoridad gumawa legally?

 

2. Police encounter na sumobra - Patay suspect, duda agad sa pulis. Nagmalabis kaagad ang pulis. OK kung nagmalabis, ireklamo, imbestigahan, kung me mapatunayan eh di parusahan. Ganun lang yun kasimple. Pero magdemand ka na dapat siguraduhing sa paa o kamay tatamaan... wtf? Akala ata nila me slow motion mga actual na barilan na pwede mo pabagalin oras para asintahin babaril sayo.

 

Im all for checks and balances pero gawin naman ng tama. Hindi yun pamumulitika. Approach the issue on a case to case basis. Hindi yun buong kapulisan kakastiguhin natin.



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 03:29 PM

desperate times call for desperate measures.



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 03:38 PM

Of course we are not in favor of that. Sino namang Gagong gusto na kahit sino na lang pwede mamaril ng tao na walang kadahilanan.

 

 

 

 

basta suspect patayin na... kesa naman yung mababait na pulis ang hindi..... 

ayaw nyo ng extra judicial killing? napapabilis ni Beloved Saviour Messiah Rody ang kampanya nya kontra droga?

 

besides, sa mga pipitsugin lang ang mga EJ killing... 

 

pag general ka, ipapaimbestiga ka muna sa napolcon bago ka kasuhan

pag big time businessman ka, ipapaimbestiga ka muna sa PDEA

pag Mayor ka, ipapatira ka pa sa bahay ni chief Bato

pag big time supporter ka, wala kang chavit este sabit. 

 

 

sakto din yang EJ killings na yan, nababawasan ang population, nababawasan ang nag-cocommute.... resolved din ang overpopulation at traffic.

 

galing talaga ni Rody Christ.....hitting at least 3 birds with one stone.....  kaya bawal maging kritiko nya

 

 

tayo nang lumuhod at sambahin sya. 


Edited by jopoc, 06 August 2016 - 03:39 PM.

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 06:08 PM

I am in favor of the anti-drug campaign, and I want to see drug lords and drug pushers hanged by the neck or shot in the head after getting convicted.

 

But I am strongly against extrajudicial killings. 

 

Extrajudicial killings only show how weak of our justice system is and how immature the Pinoy society is with regards to the value of life.

 

I hope Duterte can get his campaign under control before it gets out of hand. 

 

 

Basically my opinion.

 

Also not in favor of EJK. Kung kailangan, palabasin nlng ulit na nanlaban. At least alam namin kung sino pumatay.

May sisisihin kpag nagkaturuan. lol

 

Sa justice system, masyado nang malalim ang problema jan ng pinas. Kumikitang kabuhayan. :D



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 07:34 PM

 

 

basta suspect patayin na... kesa naman yung mababait na pulis ang hindi..... 

ayaw nyo ng extra judicial killing? napapabilis ni Beloved Saviour Messiah Rody ang kampanya nya kontra droga?

 

besides, sa mga pipitsugin lang ang mga EJ killing... 

 

pag general ka, ipapaimbestiga ka muna sa napolcon bago ka kasuhan

pag big time businessman ka, ipapaimbestiga ka muna sa PDEA

pag Mayor ka, ipapatira ka pa sa bahay ni chief Bato

pag big time supporter ka, wala kang chavit este sabit. 

 

 

sakto din yang EJ killings na yan, nababawasan ang population, nababawasan ang nag-cocommute.... resolved din ang overpopulation at traffic.

 

galing talaga ni Rody Christ.....hitting at least 3 birds with one stone.....  kaya bawal maging kritiko nya

 

 

tayo nang lumuhod at sambahin sya. 

 

 

Come on, this is way beyond criticizing na. Mudslinging ito. Palibhasa kasi hindi Binay yun pangalan nya kasi kung nagkataon pagtatangol mo sya hangang sa huling patak ng dugo. Or kung Roxas ganun din hehehehe (O ayan na patas tayo ha).

 

Si Jaguar Diaz na pinakamalaking Drug Lord sa Cebu nanlaban, patay. Si Meco Tan na me sariling pabrika ng shabu sa Valenzuela, patay din nung lumaban. Sana nga no yun mga big time na yan, lumaban na lang ng sabayan para sumama na sila sa mga pusher na napapatay dahil sa pinapabenta sa kanila

 

 

Ganito lang naman yan eh

 

Nung una reklamo na walang aksyon ginagawa gobyerno sa kriminalidad

Nung kaliwat kanan ang paghuli sa mga pusher, sabi puro small time lang

Nung pinasibak mga heneral, sabi selective justice. Pag mayaman o me pwesto me due process, pag mahirap patay agad.

Nung napatay naman sina Jaguar Diaz at Meco Tan.... Extra judicial killing naman! Bakit hindi na lang sa pwit binaril. Ahahay

Eh huwag na lang ituloy kampanya kontra droga? O di hindi tinupad ni Duterte pangako nya.

 

Duterte Resign!


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 08:12 PM

Phil justice system is corrupt and slow - it favors the rich or people with money and infuence

 

Drugs crimes and drug related crimes are so high

 

Even with the high death counts tuloy pa rn ang mga addict at pushers - wala silang takot

 

EJK is a term to be used for the vigilante killings

 

those killed by police is not EJK as it was committed during a legit police operation and can be subject to any investigations when required.

 

you cannot and should not blame the EJK to the government unless you have absolute proof the vigilantes are from the police or government

 

i am against vigilantism that does EJK


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 09:03 PM

 

pag general ka, ipapaimbestiga ka muna sa napolcon bago ka kasuhan

pag big time businessman ka, ipapaimbestiga ka muna sa PDEA

Matatalino yang mga big time na iyan. Di mo makikitaan na magdadala ng droga or baril kaya mahirap hulihin on the spot unlike doon sa mga small time na pushers



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Posted 06 August 2016 - 10:31 PM

k*ll them all! If you say due process, bakit may tiwala ba kayo sa justice system ng Pilipinas? If you say, yes then sagot ko sa'yo "Gloria Arroyo." *mic dropped*

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Posted 07 August 2016 - 05:12 AM

 

 

Come on, this is way beyond criticizing na. Mudslinging ito. Palibhasa kasi hindi Binay yun pangalan nya kasi kung nagkataon pagtatangol mo sya hangang sa huling patak ng dugo. Or kung Roxas ganun din hehehehe (O ayan na patas tayo ha).

 

Si Jaguar Diaz na pinakamalaking Drug Lord sa Cebu nanlaban, patay. Si Meco Tan na me sariling pabrika ng shabu sa Valenzuela, patay din nung lumaban. Sana nga no yun mga big time na yan, lumaban na lang ng sabayan para sumama na sila sa mga pusher na napapatay dahil sa pinapabenta sa kanila

 

 

Ganito lang naman yan eh

 

Nung una reklamo na walang aksyon ginagawa gobyerno sa kriminalidad

Nung kaliwat kanan ang paghuli sa mga pusher, sabi puro small time lang

Nung pinasibak mga heneral, sabi selective justice. Pag mayaman o me pwesto me due process, pag mahirap patay agad.

Nung napatay naman sina Jaguar Diaz at Meco Tan.... Extra judicial killing naman! Bakit hindi na lang sa pwit binaril. Ahahay

Eh huwag na lang ituloy kampanya kontra droga? O di hindi tinupad ni Duterte pangako nya.

 

Duterte Resign!

 

 

bawal talaga maging kritiko ni Most Honorable Rody. 

lahat ng nagiging kritiko nya, bitter lang dahil natalo si binay, poe, miriam o mar. 

 

lahat na lang i-credito kay god almighty digong.... kahit pagkamatay ni jaguar na panahon pa ni Pnoy. 



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Posted 07 August 2016 - 10:50 AM

The war against illegal drugs that resulted to extra judicial killings is a result of our community disgust on the corrupt court of justice slow resolution and worst those persons being convicted are being set free because of bail availability (narco-money is worth in Billions) and most of the time the judges and/or prosecutors are being paid. These includes those drug protectors that are member of the Law Enforcement and Local Gov't Units (like mayors). Its given that taking once life is an anti-christian doctrine but the amount of damaged being done by the ONE drug pusher will destroy one whole community (in our case our beloved Philippines). And in our case the biggest illegal drug is the Crystal METH (or bato). And this drug was created by the Chinese in Mainland China. The same people who had grabbed illegally our Islands (Panatag Shoal, Scarborough Shoal - to name a few). However in any war there will be collateral damage which include innocent people being killed which is unavoidable being caught in the cross fire. Remember in Biblical Times even our Creator destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah because of the Sins being committed.  B)  B)  B)


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Posted 07 August 2016 - 06:19 PM

Absolutely no to extrajudicial killings.
I agree with the drug and criminality campaign.

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 10:12 AM

same here agree sa campaign pero mali yun killing killing killing dapat may due procesd puro hearsay pano kung kaaway mo barangay at ilagay ka sa watchlist patay ka na? then ibubulgar mga names ng mga politicians sa tv sira na sila kahit linisin nila name nila.,

like nung kay espinosa ang sabi ni bato hindi daw pwede ikulong kasi wala das ebidensya kaya pinauwi yun naman pala dapat yun nahulihan talaga..

madami kawawa lalo na yun mga walang laban..

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 04:21 PM

 

 

bawal talaga maging kritiko ni Most Honorable Rody. 

lahat ng nagiging kritiko nya, bitter lang dahil natalo si binay, poe, miriam o mar. 

 

lahat na lang i-credito kay god almighty digong.... kahit pagkamatay ni jaguar na panahon pa ni Pnoy. 

 

 

Hehehe, parang kung pwede ka lang sana lumabas na sa keyboard at sakalin kami ah. Hehehehe.

 

Tulad ng sabi ko, kung walang critics at lahat na lang tayo laging agree, boring na ang mga forum. So Huwag ka magalala, walang panawagan na lumayas kayong mga kritiko.

 

Nga lang, sana maging malinaw naman sa inyo na iba ang pagiging kritikal sa pangbabato na lang ng putik. Iba yun tinuturo mo yun mali para maitama, at yung kusa mong hinahanapan lang ng mali yun taong di mo gusto.

 

OO tama ka, hindi Dyos si Duterte na kaya milagrohin na lang lahat ng problema. Kaya napakaunreasonable at impossible bang hingiin na sana maging balanse naman tayo?

 

Tignan mo na lang sa balita, bakit yun masamang epekto lang ang inuulat at hindi yung mabuti?


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 05:52 PM

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I only hear the media and human rights advocates are protesting on EJ killings. Why does the masang pilipino doesn't condemn this kahit alam nilang illegal?



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Posted 09 August 2016 - 06:40 AM

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I only hear the media and human rights advocates are protesting on EJ killings. Why does the masang pilipino doesn't condemn this kahit alam nilang illegal?

 

 

 

because they live in fear??? 

pang araw araw na buhay na nila yang salvage, tambang, patayan, etc? 

 

but who care? as long as Holy Moly Lord God Digong says they should be killed, then that is what we must do.

 

 

the end always justifies the means nga naman.

pati mga jaywalkers patayin na rin... shoot on sight na.....  para matuto ang lahat.... the end justifies the means diba? 


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Posted 09 August 2016 - 10:19 AM

 

 

 

because they live in fear???  No.  Because they feel safer na nauubos na ang mga adik sa lugar nila.

 

pang araw araw na buhay na nila yang salvage, tambang, patayan, etc?   Before ang mga adik ang pumapatay ngyon sila ang namamatay.


 

the end always justifies the means nga naman.

pati mga jaywalkers patayin na rin... shoot on sight na.....  para matuto ang lahat.... the end justifies the means diba?    Why do you need to apply it sa lahat.  We all don't live in a box.  Extreme problem cases needs extreme solutions. 


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