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Manny Pacquiao is today the most well known Filipino sproting figure. Like the famous Flash elorde he is showing the world what a real filipino is capable of.

 

This coming February he will again face Juan Manuel Marquez in the squared circle...

Through this thread I'd like to show my support to show my support and wish that he beats the hell out of his mexican oppenent...

 

My fellow Filipino mabuhay ka!

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he is a great boxer. whether he's the greatest, only history can be the judge of that. i only hope that he gets the proper breaks in the boxing world and that he doesn't become a victim of politics because definitely, he is the most exciting boxer in his class now. hopefully, his hype machine will get him the opportunities to get more exposure in the world

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i only pray that he keeps a good head on his shoulders and doesn't fall victim to the ills that befell the other filipino champions like espinosa, navaretter, etc. so far, the people around him have kept him grounded and he has remained humble. this should help him as he grows in stature

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If he plays his cards right, Manny can end up not only as the greatest Filipino boxer of all time but also arguably the greatest Asian boxer of all time. He's poised to be the first Asian to win three world titles in different weight classes. The featherweight crowm is his. Its just a matter of time before it becomes official. If Marquez or Inji Chi had enough moxy to face the Pacman, he should have an official featherweight crown within the year. A fourth belt is very likely as well as the current WBC and IBF holder is Marco Barrera who Pacman beat up silly in their last fight. He can even go up to lightweigh and snatch another crown before he is done boxing. Of course he'll pocket somthing between US $ 2-5M along the way. Not too bad of a career.

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Only time and future results will tell if Pacquiao will be considered the greatest

Filipino boxer ever. In terms of accomplishment and longevity as champion, we

still have to consider Gabriel Elorde the greatest (for now). He was world champion

for seven years (1960-67 jr.lightweight) while battling and beating the best of his era.

 

But in terms of excitement factor, Manny maybe the best ever. I do hope he saves

a good part of his earnings so that when his boxing days are over, he will still live

a comfortable life and help our future boxers. It makes me sad to read the post-boxing

lives of former champs like Navarrete and Magahin, squandering their money, now living in

destitution and feeling unwanted.

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To me, the Greatest Filipino Boxers of all time are

Pancho Villa & Gabriel "Flash" Elorde

 

Only time will tell if Pacman would measure up to these Giants.

 

Rolando Navarrette and Espinosa just faded away...

 

Navarette never lived up to his promise and expectation. He drank and partied away his talents. I don't think Espinosa faded in the same manner as the Bad Boy. King Louie was a two time champion, from 1989-91 as the WBA Jr. Bantamweight king and in 1995-98 as the WBC Featherweight champ. He made 14 championship appearances and defended his bantamweight crown two times and his featherweight crown seven times. He has already been cited in a number of publications as one of the top 3 Filipino Boxers of all time behind Pancho Villa and the Flash. Ring magazine came out with a book on the 100 greatest boxers of the 20th century afew years back and it included only 9 Asians, 2 Japanese including Fighting Harada, 2 Thais , South Koreans, the Flash Pancho Villa and King Louie.

 

Its just unfortunate that he wasn't managed properly. He could have won at least three titles in different weight classes ( bantamweight, jr. featherweight, featherweight and even jr. lightweight) if somebody handled his career better. Still he made an outstanding run as a featherweight which is the same division where Pacquiao is currently king and demanding big money for big fights against a slew of marquee opponents. It was just doubly unfortunate for Luisito that the division didn't have big names to draw the same interest and more importantly the same money that it is enjoying now. Espinosa fought the best of the featherweights and he stopped them all. Well at least those who had enough guts to face him: Manuel Medina, twice during his prime, Alejandro "Cobrita" Gonzales, Cesar Sotto, Carlos Rios and Kenedy Mckinney. He clinically devastated Sotto during their Manila Bay encounter that WBC President Sulaiman later declared that he will distribute copies of the fight to any boxer aspiring to become a world champion and tell them that this is how a boxer should fight at the highest levels.

 

Alas, Louie became a victim of the dirty politics of boxing. He never got his big money fight. His only chance was with boxing's clown Prince Naseem Hamed but he wasn't to keen to fight King Louie. Instead of meeting up with our WBC champ to unify the featherweights, Naseem offered Louie a US$ 1M - 6 fight deal over three years to culminate with their showdown. Of course Louie and his handlers scoffed at the offer thinking at that time, which made a lot of sense then, that they can get better big money fights on their own and if they do sign p and fight Hamed three years down the road, Louie would an old man and easy cannon fodder for Hamed. They should have taken the money. What followed was a downhill spiral with Louie demanding out from his contract with America Presents which gamely granted it to him on the condition that they promote one last title fight. Which turned out to be a rematch with Cesar Sotto in Albaquerque New Mexico. Never mind that Louie fought the fight of his life, made Sotto a punching bag for 12 rounds and making their earlier match seem like a stroll in the park. Louie had no chance from the time the fighters were introduced. Everything was done in Spanish and all the judges were hispanic. What a hatchet job. You knew he was screwed when the announcer was declaring the winner: "EL NUEVO KAMPEON DEL MUNDO....".

 

He never recovered from that. Left on his own in the US, he had to work as a bartender to make ends meet while trying to salvage his boxing career. Sayang talaga. He still had a lot after the Sotto and could have come back properly against Guty Espadas, Jr. if he had the right people with him. But nonetheless, his latter futility in his career will not diminish the greatness that he has displayed when he was still King. I'm sure his place in boxing is already secured.

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To me, the Greatest Filipino Boxers of all time are

Pancho Villa & Gabriel "Flash" Elorde

 

Only time will tell if Pacman would measure up to these Giants.

 

Rolando Navarrette and Espinosa just faded away...

 

Navarette never lived up to his promise and expectation. He drank and partied away his talents. I don't think Espinosa faded in the same manner as the Bad Boy. King Louie was a two time champion, from 1989-91 as the WBA Jr. Bantamweight king and in 1995-98 as the WBC Featherweight champ. He made 14 championship appearances and defended his bantamweight crown two times and his featherweight crown seven times. He has already been cited in a number of publications as one of the top 3 Filipino Boxers of all time behind Pancho Villa and the Flash. Ring magazine came out with a book on the 100 greatest boxers of the 20th century afew years back and it included only 9 Asians, 2 Japanese including Fighting Harada, 2 Thais , South Koreans, the Flash Pancho Villa and King Louie.

 

Its just unfortunate that he wasn't managed properly. He could have won at least three titles in different weight classes ( bantamweight, jr. featherweight, featherweight and even jr. lightweight) if somebody handled his career better. Still he made an outstanding run as a featherweight which is the same division where Pacquiao is currently king and demanding big money for big fights against a slew of marquee opponents. It was just doubly unfortunate for Luisito that the division didn't have big names to draw the same interest and more importantly the same money that it is enjoying now. Espinosa fought the best of the featherweights and he stopped them all. Well at least those who had enough guts to face him: Manuel Medina, twice during his prime, Alejandro "Cobrita" Gonzales, Cesar Sotto, Carlos Rios and Kenedy Mckinney. He clinically devastated Sotto during their Manila Bay encounter that WBC President Sulaiman later declared that he will distribute copies of the fight to any boxer aspiring to become a world champion and tell them that this is how a boxer should fight at the highest levels.

 

Alas, Louie became a victim of the dirty politics of boxing. He never got his big money fight. His only chance was with boxing's clown Prince Naseem Hamed but he wasn't to keen to fight King Louie. Instead of meeting up with our WBC champ to unify the featherweights, Naseem offered Louie a US$ 1M - 6 fight deal over three years to culminate with their showdown. Of course Louie and his handlers scoffed at the offer thinking at that time, which made a lot of sense then, that they can get better big money fights on their own and if they do sign p and fight Hamed three years down the road, Louie would an old man and easy cannon fodder for Hamed. They should have taken the money. What followed was a downhill spiral with Louie demanding out from his contract with America Presents which gamely granted it to him on the condition that they promote one last title fight. Which turned out to be a rematch with Cesar Sotto in Albaquerque New Mexico. Never mind that Louie fought the fight of his life, made Sotto a punching bag for 12 rounds and making their earlier match seem like a stroll in the park. Louie had no chance from the time the fighters were introduced. Everything was done in Spanish and all the judges were hispanic. What a hatchet job. You knew he was screwed when the announcer was declaring the winner: "EL NUEVO KAMPEON DEL MUNDO....".

 

He never recovered from that. Left on his own in the US, he had to work as a bartender to make ends meet while trying to salvage his boxing career. Sayang talaga. He still had a lot after the Sotto fight and could have come back properly against Guty Espadas, Jr. if he had the right people with him. But nonetheless, his latter futility in his career will not diminish the greatness that he has displayed when he was still King. I'm sure his place in boxing is already secured.

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what are these stories that last december, manny isnt so serious and delayed his training despite the request of his famed trainer

Roach. Dami raw niya alibi to postpone the training, kesyo he's still shooting that burlington socks commercial (part 2), kesyo di raw siya pwede umalis ng jan 5 coz malas daw yung number 5, etc, then youl find him spending the night in parties, billiards, shootings. tsk tsk tsk, while his supposed opponent Juan Manuel Marquez is seriously preparing for the big fight and several months ahead of hard training. In an interview, the pacman even said that Marquez really have to practice harder coz patutumbahin lang nya yun; what a confidence!. Im for Manny but if those stories are true, then i dont think we have to expect sumthing good from him.

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what are these stories that last december, manny isnt so serious and delayed his training despite the request of his famed trainer

Roach.  Dami raw niya alibi to postpone the training, kesyo he's still shooting that burlington socks commercial (part 2), kesyo di raw siya pwede umalis ng jan 5 coz malas daw yung number 5, etc, then youl find him spending the night in parties, billiards, shootings. tsk tsk tsk, while his supposed opponent Juan Manuel Marquez is seriously preparing for the big fight and several months ahead of hard training.  In an interview, the pacman even said that Marquez really have to practice harder coz patutumbahin lang nya yun; what a confidence!. Im for Manny but if those stories are true, then i dont think we have to expect sumthing good from him.

 

It probably worked: JMM wasn't keen on fighting Pacquiao anyway and was even astounded that he's been working out for 3 months while Manny was delaying his training. JMM and his handlers haven't signed anything yet even. So when Erik Morales and his camp offered a better deal, JMM scampered away, much like MAB keeps giving out excuses not to face Manny.

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