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#41 jessetiu

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 08:19 AM

I think we need to look back and remember how the previous administration make decisions and compare them to their reason concerning the purchase of the vaccine.  I remember listening to Commissioner Kim Henares right after YOLANDA by a radio commentator regarding the delayed release of the relief goods in the customs.  The commentator was asking WHY are the relief goods  and the German volunteers being held even in time of emergency where people are dying.  She said that ALL donations should PASS through the proper channels DSWD.  



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:27 AM

Well that's because of an incompetent administration that implemented it and the stupidity of the current admin to follow suite instead of discontinuing it. Kaya ayun ngayon naghuhugas kamay ang current admin, trying to insulate themselves from this mess.

 

 

Palpak yun pag implement? Bakit kasi hindi pa sigurading safe and yet ipinagpatuloy ng duterte admin ang isang palpak na programa? Tapos ok lang walang issue kay lodi admin? Aba ok ka rin ano. Mahilig ka talaga sa double standards.

at sino nagsabi sa iyo na aminado akong may malaking pagkakamali ang admin? Ang sabi ko kung may pananagutan ang past admin dahil issue yun nailagay ang mga bata sa alanganin then fine as long as dapat managot din ang duterte admin kasi tinuloy nila .

Ayun gusto mo lang mangarma kaya ginagawan mo ng issue yun sinasabi mong non issue ngayon. so lumalabas trolling ka di ba.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:38 AM

@haroots u dont get it dont you? Hindi ko pananaw yan...pananaw yan ng dutertards pero yun nga ang punto hihirit kayong incompetent alam ninyong incompetent and yet pinagpatuloy ng duterte admin. How stupid can that be.

Intindihin ang buong mensahe hindi selective....yun part by part depending on what is favorable to your argument.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:42 AM

Kelan ulet lumabas ang final results? And hanggang kelan implement ni ubial, para may magkalinawan tayu.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:59 AM

Kung final results batayan e di non issue dapat for both admin

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:30 AM

Kung final results batayan e di non issue dapat for both admin


medyu maypagkaiba kung final result ang batayan pre, I'm sure alam mo yan

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:00 PM

Well i would assume both admin either implemented or continue to implement the program in good faith without the info or final result that came out recently. sa tingin ko kung sa umpisa eh available na yun info na nagpapapraning sa lahat magiiba ang naging desisyon.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 02:24 PM

So ano nga ba ang issue uli? Maybe somebody should clearly define it?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:13 PM

So ano nga ba ang issue uli? Maybe somebody should clearly define it?


ang issue is about the immunization program na naimplement in good faith pero pinaglaruan ng mga trapo para sa kani-kanilang interes para sa midterm at general elections.

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 08:35 AM

ang issue is about the immunization program na naimplement in good faith pero pinaglaruan ng mga trapo para sa kani-kanilang interes para sa midterm at general elections.

 

Now this will backfire on the next year election.



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 01:31 PM

Pamilya ng mga 'di umano'y namatay dahil sa Dengvaxia, iniharap sa DOJ

 

https://www.facebook...99878323585389/



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Posted 19 December 2017 - 07:34 PM

 
Now this will backfire on the next year election.



yep. At lahat ng trapo eh apektado. Gudlak sa mga bobotante. Hahahaha

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 07:09 PM

it's all in the game of politics and their hidden agenda on this issue... it's not about the "trapo" nor the newbie politicians or what not, and it shouldn't be on who's to blame or point a finger to or who will be the sacrificial lamb but the concerned gov't institution should look for a way to contain and resolve this issue as children's lives are at stake.


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#54 Ryan123

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 01:19 AM

Ung pagbili ng gamot, hindi naman dahil sa dengue kaya binili un kundi dahil sa profit e

Tingin ko financial wise lang naman kaya nila binili at pilit pinapatupad ang dengvaxia.. Financial wise para sa mga nangurakot at losers ang tax payers.. Bibilhin ang vaccine ng php1,000 each ang vaccine at a bulk, wholesale price,

Pero papayag ba ang duterte administration na masisi sila dahil sa vaccine na yan na hindi naman sila nakinabang sa pera? O papayag din ang past administration na masisi sila kahit sila ang nakinabang sa pera eh wala n nga sila sa position?

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 01:29 AM

Kahit si past administration or duterte administration or doh head, ang masisi, hopefully mapakulong, the biggest losers are the taxpayers. Now, when will be the time na makakagawa tayo ng paraan para ma hold back naten ang mga nasa current political position masilip naten sila at mapalagot sila sa mga bad acts nila on handling money, our taxes money! Cant wait to see when will that happen

**when business lose money, company is losing but when politicians made a mistake on purchasing (intentionally or not) taxpayers are hurting.. Dapat tayo magkampi kampihan to protect our own and on how our money are spent on their projects!!

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 09:55 AM

1. I'm a doctor and i'm commenting based on my professional opinion (let me stress opinion).

 

2. parents with newborn can relate to some of the vaccines i will mention.

 

3. the political circumstances may have put a spotlight to Dengvaxia. But actually, the pharmaceutical industry is largely at fault. in my practice, i never recommend a meds nor vaccine that i haven't studied the clinical studies. last time i checked, these vaccines were absent of enough/proper clinical studies:

1. Rotavirus

2. Japanese Encephalitis

3. Dengvaxia

and more....

 

4. Clinical studies are important to statistically determine effectiveness and/or side effects of these. Pharma companies hastily released these ahead of enough/proper clinical studies and trials (evidently, there's not much or no clinical papers available in public) in the name of profit (or market competition)

 

5. i strongly advice, please have your doctors (or yourself) study/read the clinical papers of the vaccines before agreeing to use these especially on your children.


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#57 JogzSmith

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 12:46 PM

Ang masakit dito may namatay na... It only show the weak decision making ng previous admin..haysss

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:13 PM

Pano ba naman, mali na ung tren na binili, mali pa ung gamot na binili.... Nag under spending na nga para daw "maiwasan" ang corruption, mali mali naman ang binili. (e.g. Mrt bagon, dengvaxia, lto plates) sus maryosep

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:00 PM

Medicines approved for public use are supported by documents and studies to justify its effectiveness, that the use of the product will lead to the desired effect. Requirements and reviews by the authorities are met before they get approval to sell. It is a continuos study post marketing, untoward effects may or may not be present. We don't know if there's any or what will be the manifestation to the recipient and when to expect it if there is any. A medicine can be effective but have some (tolerable) side effects, it can also be effective but it's untoward effects outweighs the beneficial effects. It is not the first time where a medicine is discovered to have unwanted effects.

I don't think it is a failure of the previous administration. It was a judgement call (based on what was established about the vaccine at that time) to implement the vaccination program which had good intentions. It just so happened that the manufacturer discovered a defect or withheld information on the vaccine and the product did not do well. If they had not implemented it and there was a rise in dengue cases, people will complain why the government did not do anything when there already is a vaccine for dengue in the market. If they implemented the vaccination and it turned out well without this issue, people would say job well done for the government, we are one of the first nations to implement vaccination program for dengue.

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 02:16 PM

If they implemented the vaccination and it turned out well without this issue, people would say job well done for the government, we are one of the first nations to implement vaccination program for dengue.


Honestly i have my reservations given how politics works here. Remember the current admin continued the program. If successful they can and will probably take credit considering the program implementation was much longer with the present admin than the past.

But since nagkaissue ayun turo agad ang sisi sa past admin as if walang tinurukan ang current admin.





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