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#21 Bolj

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 02:20 PM

Note that it was approved by the current admin ngayon saan saan nagtuturo to save ass and be insulated from all of these.


Brad iba yata ang approved sa carry over of contracts, liable si ubial nyan pag d na honor ang contract and during her stint wla pang final result from the health authorities.
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Posted 15 December 2017 - 02:33 PM

Confirmed double standards nga.

 

Kawawa ka naman di mo ma gets.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 08:10 PM

Brad iba yata ang approved sa carry over of contracts, liable si ubial nyan pag d na honor ang contract and during her stint wla pang final result from the health authorities.


Sorry for whatever confusion...am not even talking about the contracts here as there will be legalities. Besides why talk about "pag di na honor ang contract" when in the first place gusto nga ipahinto ni Sec Ubial. Hindi ba siya na nga nagsabi she was pressured to continue.

What i am referring to/mean as "Approve" is she gave the go signal to continue the implementation of the program. a program which according to tards should have not been implemented in the first place.

In fact yun sumunod sa kanya should also be equally held liable if may naturukan under their watch.
Yun contract is to purchase the vaccine. Independent decision yun kung ipapatupad ng doh pa o hindi ang programa. maaring masayang yun ibinayad pero if naniniwala kayong hindi dapat itinuturok yang vaccine dahil sa medical risk ibig bang sabihin abswelto kung nagturok pa ng nagturok dahil lang sa posibleng breach of contract?

Edited by rooster69ph, 15 December 2017 - 08:27 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 08:25 PM

Kawawa ka naman di mo ma gets.

 

Well i can't blame you ... Sa paulit ulit mong pagaakala pati sarili mo napaniwala mo na napakagaling mo. Taliwas yan sa pananaw ng iba tulad nito.

 

Wag ka na magpalusot na naman haroots2 nabukayo ka eh.


Ano ba ang mas dapat bigyan ng timbang ... yun pananaw mo sa sarili mo o yun pananaw ng ibang tao sa iyo?

#25 haroots2

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:13 AM

 

Well i can't blame you ... Sa paulit ulit mong pagaakala pati sarili mo napaniwala mo na napakagaling mo. Taliwas yan sa pananaw ng iba tulad nito.

 
Ano ba ang mas dapat bigyan ng timbang ... yun pananaw mo sa sarili mo o yun pananaw ng ibang tao sa iyo?

 

Baligtad ata, ganyan ang tingin sayo dito kasi alam naman ng lahat na pure hater ka lang.

 

Pnoy knows na napakalaking palpak ni Abaya alam din niya na galit na ang mga tao sa kanya, may ginawa ba si Pnoy? Kung tinanggal ni Pnoy si Abaya malamang hindi siya sisisihin sa kapalpakan ni Abaya, 

Ganyan din ba ang situation ni Ubial?

 

Dapat tinanong kay Pnoy mga pangalan kung sinu sino nag advice sa kanya na okay ang Dengvaxia mag mass implementation kasi lahat ng tinanong ni Gordon na health expert nagsasabing premature.



#26 rooster69ph

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:52 AM

The mere fact that Ubial disclosed that she was pressured to continue the program despite knowing the possible risk thus believed that it should not be continued in exchange for a possible confirmation says it all.

Isinugal niya buhay ng matuturukan para sa sariling kapakanan ... Ano tawag mo dun competent? Malinis manilbihan? Ano ba ginawa ni Duterte kay Ubial tinanggal ba niya o nawala sa pwesto dahil di pinalusot ng CA? Kinasuhan ba niya? Did he say she is guilty? Waley!

Edited by rooster69ph, 16 December 2017 - 11:55 AM.


#27 haroots2

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 12:34 PM

The mere fact that Ubial disclosed that she was pressured to continue the program despite knowing the possible risk thus believed that it should not be continued in exchange for a possible confirmation says it all.

Isinugal niya buhay ng matuturukan para sa sariling kapakanan ... Ano tawag mo dun competent? Malinis manilbihan? Ano ba ginawa ni Duterte kay Ubial tinanggal ba niya o nawala sa pwesto dahil di pinalusot ng CA? Kinasuhan ba niya? Did he say she is guilty? Waley!

 

Kaya nga both me and DiD said na dapat sinumbong ni Ubial kay Du30 yung political pressure na nakuha niya.  And as of that time wala rin naman definite proof that the children are in danger to cancel the program.  Even WHO won't say na dapat huwag na ituloy ang program.


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#28 rooster69ph

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 01:01 PM

Kaya nga both me and DiD said na dapat sinumbong ni Ubial kay Du30 yung political pressure na nakuha niya.  And as of that time wala rin naman definite proof that the children are in danger to cancel the program.  Even WHO won't say na dapat huwag na ituloy ang program.


Wow...nun una sabi dapat tinurukan si Bimby, ngayon lumabas na may tinurukan na ang pamahalaang ito sabay bawi wala naman palang definite proof.

So ano ngayon nirereklamo ng mga tards pati na rin mga kaalyado ng admin sa hearing na minadali kahit na pinagtatalunan pa ang possible risk nito.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 03:06 PM

Wow...nun una sabi dapat tinurukan si Bimby, ngayon lumabas na may tinurukan na ang pamahalaang ito sabay bawi wala naman palang definite proof.

So ano ngayon nirereklamo ng mga tards pati na rin mga kaalyado ng admin sa hearing na minadali kahit na pinagtatalunan pa ang possible risk nito.

 

Sinagot ko na yan, ulit ulitin ba?  Bad karma dapat yan sa palpak nila sa pag implement agad.  Aminado ka naman na may  malakng pagkakamali  ang dating admin diba?  Iba ang requirements para ipatupad mo ang isang mass immunization program at iba din ang kailangan proof para bigla mo ipatigil ang ongoing program and you cannot also ignore the legal aspect of it.


Edited by haroots2, 16 December 2017 - 03:06 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 03:53 PM

Sinagot ko na yan, ulit ulitin ba?  Bad karma dapat yan sa palpak nila sa pag implement agad.  Aminado ka naman na may  malakng pagkakamali  ang dating admin diba?  Iba ang requirements para ipatupad mo ang isang mass immunization program at iba din ang kailangan proof para bigla mo ipatigil ang ongoing program and you cannot also ignore the legal aspect of it.


Palpak yun pag implement? Bakit kasi hindi pa sigurading safe and yet ipinagpatuloy ng duterte admin ang isang palpak na programa? Tapos ok lang walang issue kay lodi admin? Aba ok ka rin ano. Mahilig ka talaga sa double standards.

at sino nagsabi sa iyo na aminado akong may malaking pagkakamali ang admin? Ang sabi ko kung may pananagutan ang past admin dahil issue yun nailagay ang mga bata sa alanganin then fine as long as dapat managot din ang duterte admin kasi tinuloy nila .

Ayun gusto mo lang mangarma kaya ginagawan mo ng issue yun sinasabi mong non issue ngayon. so lumalabas trolling ka di ba.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:16 PM

puro na lang kasi daldal ang nangyayari dyan sa dengvaxia nayan.. e tapos nayan eh...



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 08:03 PM

Palpak yun pag implement? Bakit kasi hindi pa sigurading safe and yet ipinagpatuloy ng duterte admin ang isang palpak na programa? Tapos ok lang walang issue kay lodi admin? Aba ok ka rin ano. Mahilig ka talaga sa double standards.
at sino nagsabi sa iyo na aminado akong may malaking pagkakamali ang admin? Ang sabi ko kung may pananagutan ang past admin dahil issue yun nailagay ang mga bata sa alanganin then fine as long as dapat managot din ang duterte admin kasi tinuloy nila .
Ayun gusto mo lang mangarma kaya ginagawan mo ng issue yun sinasabi mong non issue ngayon. so lumalabas trolling ka di ba.


Yun ang problem eh. Sinasabing palpak ngayon lang. wala naman sa report nun July 2016 na sinabing palpak yun vaccine. Pero may sinabing may risk nga talaga (but in fairness lahat ng vaccines may inherent risk naman). Sa tingin ko they made a calculated risk, but unfortunately for them, the risk only became apparent after so many months after na.

But one thing’s for sure: they could have stopped the program at anytime if they thought the risk was too great. The fact nobody did was because they saw that the risk was negligible (but in fact was not... funny how hindsight works).

So everybody should just stop covering their behinds and just make sure there are safeguards in place to prevent such things from happening again. Yan ang hirap sa pinoy kasi... hilig sa shortcuts.

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:09 PM

Kung wala sa report ng 2016 eh di lalong walang nakakaalam na palpak yan prior to that date. In fact sa interview kay Ubial sinabi niya na sa ibang bansa na gumamit ng dengvaxia hindi naman sila "praning" tulad ng nangyayari dito.

Nakahanap na naman sa tingin ko ng butas para mamulotika. Unfortunately that's how stupid tards are in their argument on this issue specially when finger pointing to the past admin ... Sila yun pasimunong hihirit about psychological effect because of incompetencies dahil nagimplement then sasabihin wala naman concrete inherent risk para pahintuin pero issue kasi sinimulan. Pak galing!

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:31 PM

Magkano kaya ang extra bonus sa mga yellow trolls dito para idepensa si Abnoy sa Dengvaxia scam?



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Posted 16 December 2017 - 11:43 PM

In defending the dengvaxia controversy, they should note that it is in essence defending BOTH administrations. But The fentanyl gang seem to only want to focus on the so-called yellows lagi, ‘no?

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Posted 17 December 2017 - 08:19 AM

I think we need to look back and remember how the previous administration make decisions and compare them to their reason concerning the purchase of the vaccine.  I remember listening to Commissioner Kim Henares right after YOLANDA by a radio commentator regarding the delayed release of the relief goods in the customs.  The commentator was asking WHY are the relief goods  and the German volunteers being held even in time of emergency where people are dying.  She said that ALL donations should PASS through the proper channels DSWD.  



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:27 AM

Well that's because of an incompetent administration that implemented it and the stupidity of the current admin to follow suite instead of discontinuing it. Kaya ayun ngayon naghuhugas kamay ang current admin, trying to insulate themselves from this mess.

 

 

Palpak yun pag implement? Bakit kasi hindi pa sigurading safe and yet ipinagpatuloy ng duterte admin ang isang palpak na programa? Tapos ok lang walang issue kay lodi admin? Aba ok ka rin ano. Mahilig ka talaga sa double standards.

at sino nagsabi sa iyo na aminado akong may malaking pagkakamali ang admin? Ang sabi ko kung may pananagutan ang past admin dahil issue yun nailagay ang mga bata sa alanganin then fine as long as dapat managot din ang duterte admin kasi tinuloy nila .

Ayun gusto mo lang mangarma kaya ginagawan mo ng issue yun sinasabi mong non issue ngayon. so lumalabas trolling ka di ba.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:38 AM

@haroots u dont get it dont you? Hindi ko pananaw yan...pananaw yan ng dutertards pero yun nga ang punto hihirit kayong incompetent alam ninyong incompetent and yet pinagpatuloy ng duterte admin. How stupid can that be.

Intindihin ang buong mensahe hindi selective....yun part by part depending on what is favorable to your argument.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:42 AM

Kelan ulet lumabas ang final results? And hanggang kelan implement ni ubial, para may magkalinawan tayu.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:59 AM

Kung final results batayan e di non issue dapat for both admin





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