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#1 FleurDeLune

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 01:48 PM

This is such an alarming issue. Some officials from both current and previous administrations are pointing fingers at each other. Nothing new, actually. A normal scenario when there is an issue like this. It seems like no one has ever learned her / his lesson. Or has there anyone attempted to trace the root cause of the said problem? Or the motivating factor why those things had turned to something else for that matter? Well, your guess is as good as mine or literally, maybe, even better. )

 

related links: 

 

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Dengvaxia 'not the vaccine Philippines needs or wants', expert says

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 02:46 PM

It's all politics really. 11 countries approved the vaccine produced by Sanofi Pasteur and recent studies show above 60% efficacy and lowering of severe dengue cases as much as 80% https://en.wikipedia.../Dengue_vaccine. They should research the results in our country first before they do a witch hunt.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:02 PM

I just hope this won't discourage people from having their kids vaccinated (and I don't mean with dengvaxia). 



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:50 PM

I just hope this won't discourage people from having their kids vaccinated (and I don't mean with dengvaxia). 

 

Psychologically it already did.  That's why the health sector is already trying to convince the people that the problem is only Dengvaxia.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 08:03 PM

Psychologically it already did.  That's why the health sector is already trying to convince the people that the problem is only Dengvaxia.


Well that's because of an incompetent administration that implemented it and the stupidity of the current admin to follow suite instead of discontinuing it. Kaya ayun ngayon naghuhugas kamay ang current admin, trying to insulate themselves from this mess.

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:06 AM

Well that's because of an incompetent administration that implemented it and the stupidity of the current admin to follow suite instead of discontinuing it. Kaya ayun ngayon naghuhugas kamay ang current admin, trying to insulate themselves from this mess.


it was the previous admnistration who approved the vaccine. Nagkataon lang na the current administration has to implement this. Dapat DOH ahould be liable as Sanofi kasi hindi pa pala talaga fully tested e nagsabi sila na okay vaccine

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:56 AM

Just a sad thing na at the end of it all, yung normal people ang talo. 



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 04:26 AM

it was the previous admnistration who approved the vaccine. Nagkataon lang na the current administration has to implement this. Dapat DOH ahould be liable as Sanofi kasi hindi pa pala talaga fully tested e nagsabi sila na okay vaccine


I don't buy that reasoning na "nagkataon lang na the current administration has to implement this". Sa totoo lang diskarte na yan ng admin kung ano ang mga programa na gusto o ayaw nilang ipagpatuloy. They choose to continue so they are equally liable for not exercising due diligence and prudence as well.

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 04:33 AM

Natatawa na lang ako sa mga tards dito now that the turd made a statement na somewhat the same as one of the poster here once said. Ayun.. madami nanahimik na.
Hahahahahahaha


Pero tards na rin ang laging nagsasabi matuto tayong kilatisin ang pinagsasabi ng pangulo. Maaring iba ang sinasabi niya sa ginagawa. I mean he can opt to come up with politically correct statements but iba talaga ang inuutos sa mga galamay for political reasons.

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 08:24 AM

Well that's because of an incompetent administration that implemented it and the stupidity of the current admin to follow suite instead of discontinuing it. Kaya ayun ngayon naghuhugas kamay ang current admin, trying to insulate themselves from this mess.

 

Even if the current admin stopped the program it will create be the same big mess mas konti lang ang naturukan.  On the senate hearing its not only incompetence but there is surely a corruption case.  Ang sa akin sana nagsumbong na lang sana si Ubial kay Du30 kung may pressure sa kanya ituloy yung program.  Ang problema kasi hindi siya sanay sa dirty politics.


Edited by haroots2, 15 December 2017 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:29 AM

maybe this statement can enlighten on some issues

 

Ubial: Garin’s lawmaker-husband asked me to buy more Dengvaxia vaccine during budget hearing

http://newsinfo.inqu...-budget-hearing

 

“But again, during budget hearings I was pressured to expand to other areas and let me note that in the last budget hearing, and this was documented in the minutes, one of the representatives that asked me to buy more dengue vaccine and put it in the 2018 budget is no other than (Rep.) Oscar Richard Garin Jr. your honor, thank you sir,” she added.


Edited by daphne loves derby, 15 December 2017 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:54 AM

 
Even if the current admin stopped the program it will create be the same big mess mas konti lang ang naturukan.  On the senate hearing its not only incompetence but there is surely a corruption case.  Ang sa akin sana nagsumbong na lang sana si Ubial kay Du30 kung may pressure sa kanya ituloy yung program.  Ang problema kasi hindi siya sanay sa dirty politics.


Ito simpleng tanong ko sa iyo pati kay dld... house hearing yan public records lahat ng pinaguusapan. Sino ba ang nag pressure kanino? Dalawa ang pinangalanana si garcia at garin. ano ang rason nila? Kanino ba sila kaalyado ngayon? Sino ba mayorya sa committee. Kahit oposisyon o dilawan ang may gusto pero kontra ang mayorya walang magagawa.

Bottomline better to stop it if it was the right thing to do. Note that it was approved by the current admin ngayon saan saan nagtuturo to save ass and be insulated from all of these.

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:10 PM

Ubials mistake was she gave in to the political pressure para ma confirm siguro. I don't think na kaya siyang ipakulong kahit may contract na with Sanofi yung govt.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:45 PM

Ito simpleng tanong ko sa iyo pati kay dld... house hearing yan public records lahat ng pinaguusapan. Sino ba ang nag pressure kanino? Dalawa ang pinangalanana si garcia at garin. ano ang rason nila? Kanino ba sila kaalyado ngayon? Sino ba mayorya sa committee. Kahit oposisyon o dilawan ang may gusto pero kontra ang mayorya walang magagawa.

Bottomline better to stop it if it was the right thing to do. Note that it was approved by the current admin ngayon saan saan nagtuturo to save ass and be insulated from all of these.

 

sensya na di ko alam.. 

ayoko gumawa ng "assumptions or conclusions" tulad mo, kaw lang magaling dyan eh.

 

sinusubaybayan ko pa and have not passed any judgement or any blame (unlike you and the others) to anyone. 

 

pero kung tatanungin mo ang  "opinyon" ko, dapat nagsumbong si Ubial ke Du30 nung may nagpressure sa kanya (allegedly) to use more this vaccine. Para malaman din natin kung yung "ASSumption" mo eh tama na si du30 nga ang punot dulo at may kasalanan kung bakit ginamit pa rin. Kung sinabi ni Du30 ke ubial, wag mo pakialaman hayaan mo ang mga congressman, eh di there - end of story, vindicated ka. Kaso hindi, walang sinabi or ginawa si Ubial tungkol dito (so far). So HINDI natin alam.

 

napansin ko lang, si Garcia at Garin, hindi sila kaalyado ng current admin kundi LP sila nung time na na-release yung vaccine sa probinsya nila. Lumipat lang sila nung wala ng LP halos sa kongreso after the election, so I THINK, walang kinalaman yung pagiging mayorya nila NGAYON.. "sa tingin ko lang".. baka mali ako.. who knows.. 


Edited by daphne loves derby, 15 December 2017 - 12:46 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:07 PM

 
sensya na di ko alam.. 
ayoko gumawa ng "assumptions or conclusions" tulad mo, kaw lang magaling dyan eh.
 
sinusubaybayan ko pa and have not passed any judgement or any blame (unlike you and the others) to anyone. 
 
pero kung tatanungin mo ang  "opinyon" ko, dapat nagsumbong si Ubial ke Du30 nung may nagpressure sa kanya (allegedly) to use more this vaccine. Para malaman din natin kung yung "ASSumption" mo eh tama na si du30 nga ang punot dulo at may kasalanan kung bakit ginamit pa rin. Kung sinabi ni Du30 ke ubial, wag mo pakialaman hayaan mo ang mga congressman, eh di there - end of story, vindicated ka. Kaso hindi, walang sinabi or ginawa si Ubial tungkol dito (so far). So HINDI natin alam.
 
napansin ko lang, si Garcia at Garin, hindi sila kaalyado ng current admin kundi LP sila nung time na na-release yung vaccine sa probinsya nila. Lumipat lang sila nung wala ng LP halos sa kongreso after the election, so I THINK, walang kinalaman yung pagiging mayorya nila NGAYON.. "sa tingin ko lang".. baka mali ako.. who knows.. 


No one needs to pass judgement like what you are insinuating. Pasimple ka pa eh. Assumsionista at judgemental ka rin naman. Deny to death lang at mabilis lang magtuturo.

Just take their statement at face value....sabi ni garin concern siya na mapondohan yun 3rd vaccine after mabigay un first two. Si garcia gusto mainclude yun distrito niya. Walang masama diba? Sabi ni pnoy malala kasi problena sa dengue kaya yun nagkaroon na ng vaccine at approved naman ipinatupad niya. Wala rin naman sigurong masama dun.

Now Tinanggap si garin at garcia na kaalyado ni duterte tapos yun acts nila under duterte admin isisisi mo pa din ba sa past admin. Wow! Kung nasa tamang pagiisip ang mayorya pinagsabihan nila ang kaalyado nila. eh ano nangyari diba pinondohan din nila. these are facts ha hindi assumptions. Sino ba may say sa appropriations ang minority? Palusot pa more.

Ang problema there is malice sa headline and tards are spinning the real score.

Bottomline the program was continued. If it shouldn't been continued as what tards are righteously claiming now then fine i won't argue with that but then both admin are jointly liable since they both did administer the vaccine. Simple as that.

Edited by rooster69ph, 15 December 2017 - 01:15 PM.


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:22 PM

Ubials mistake was she gave in to the political pressure para ma confirm siguro. I don't think na kaya siyang ipakulong kahit may contract na with Sanofi yung govt.


And you know that cabinet officials serves as the alter ego of the president right?

Parang si abaya lang yan palpak pero sisi ninyo kay pnoy diba? Any difference or mas gusto mo may double standards?

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:25 PM

And you know that cabinet officials serves as the alter ego of the president right?

Parang si abaya lang yan palpak pero sisi ninyo kay pnoy diba? Any difference or mas gusto mo may double standards?

 

Biro mo yun, na compare si Ubial kay Abaya.  Ang galing mo talaga.


No one needs to pass judgement like what you are insinuating. Pasimple ka pa eh. Assumsionista at judgemental ka rin naman. Deny to death lang at mabilis lang magtuturo.
 

 

That says it all.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:42 PM

 
Biro mo yun, na compare si Ubial kay Abaya.  Ang galing mo talaga.

 


So ano nahiya kang magrequest ng double standards?

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:48 PM

So ano nahiya kang magrequest ng double standards?

 

The situation of the 2 are not even comparable. 



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 01:58 PM

 
The situation of the 2 are not even comparable. 


Confirmed double standards nga.





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