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Posted 07 December 2017 - 04:03 PM

Coulda shoulda woulda ... isa lang ang tanong sa huli bakit ipinagpatuloy ni digong ang isang palpak na programa.

Napakaefficient niya sa pagpapatuloy ng palpak na problema. Nakakahiya naman

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:12 PM

It would be good to re-examine the timeline of the dengvaxia mess in an objective manner first, without the blemish of gossip news:

 

https://newsinfo.inq...ogram-dengvaxia

 

While I'm not advocating the use of dengvaxia, I do question the effectivity of a cleanup drive eliminating dengue mosquitos.

 

Sure, it is the ideal solution (and it should be done), but realistically speaking the 3.5 Billion Pesos would run out even way before we can eliminate even 40% (arbitrary number ko lang yan, ah)  of dengue-carrying mosquitoes. There are way more way for them to breed than there are people in the Philippines.

 

Kung tayo nga hindi natin malinis sarili nating lamesa o bahay, eh... iaaasa pa natin sa gobyerno?

 

Besides, hindi ko mainitndihan ano ba talaga stand the WHO? Did they or didn't they recommend this? They said no, but their own website seem to say otherwise:

"WHO recommends that countries should consider introduction of the dengue vaccine CYD-TDV only in geographic settings (national or subnational) where epidemiological data indicate a high burden of disease. Complete recommendations may be found in the WHO position paper on dengue."

http://www.who.int/i...ue_vaccines/en/


Edited by tk421, 07 December 2017 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:21 PM

Coulda shoulda woulda ... isa lang ang tanong sa huli bakit ipinagpatuloy ni digong ang isang palpak na programa.

Napakaefficient niya sa pagpapatuloy ng palpak na problema. Nakakahiya naman

Once a massive program like that is launched, it will continue on its own momentum, especially since the vaccine supplier only disclosed the problem only recently.

 

You worry about this administration's inefficiency in detecting the problems and stopping the program in time, but you're blind to your idol's ineptness, stupidity, and greed that created this massive blunder in the first place.


Edited by camiar, 07 December 2017 - 06:25 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 06:56 PM

It would be good to re-examine the timeline of the dengvaxia mess in an objective manner first, without the blemish of gossip news:

 

https://newsinfo.inq...ogram-dengvaxia

 

While I'm not advocating the use of dengvaxia, I do question the effectivity of a cleanup drive eliminating dengue mosquitos.

 

Sure, it is the ideal solution (and it should be done), but realistically speaking the 3.5 Billion Pesos would run out even way before we can eliminate even 40% (arbitrary number ko lang yan, ah)  of dengue-carrying mosquitoes. There are way more way for them to breed than there are people in the Philippines.

 

Kung tayo nga hindi natin malinis sarili nating lamesa o bahay, eh... iaaasa pa natin sa gobyerno?

 

 

The sanitation and clean-up drive is mostly education and information campaign to get the people barangay level to do their own clean-up and dengue prevention activities.

 

So what if PhP 3.5 is not enough? At least it still would have been put to better use. Now it's clear that PNoy poured PhP3.5 billion down the drain on a useless vaccine.

 

Consistent clean-up and other preventive measures are still the most effective program. One example is the Anti-Malaria campaign Africa where they observed a sharp drop in incidence of malaria after they distributed mosquito nets (kulambo) to the people, after years of trying to eradicate the mosquitoes by insecticide sprays without getting any results.



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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:25 PM

Once a massive program like that is launched, it will continue on its own momentum, especially since the vaccine supplier only disclosed the problem only recently.
 
You worry about this administration's inefficiency in detecting the problems and stopping the program in time, but you're blind to your idol's ineptness, stupidity, and greed that created this massive blunder in the first place.



At saan mo naman nakuha ang conclusion na yan aber? Where did i said that The past admin should not be held liable? jointly liable sila kasi both the past and present admin did administer the vaccine. Wag mag pauso ha.

And if you look at the timeline ikaw na nagsabi the supplier only disclose the problem recently plus wala pa yun WHO position paper when it was implemented. As such considering that the position paper is already out mas stupid talaga ang admin na ito to continue the program. Kumbaga pinagsisigawan ng mga dutertards na mali yun pagbibigay ng vaccine, eh ayun naman pala alam ninyo mali pero inaabswelto ninyo si digong? Look who is stupid now with the argument?

And for the record, i don't worry about this admin inefficiency in detecting problems but in solving it too. It has been proven.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:16 AM

Wala naman sinabi sa position paper na may masamang epekto ang vaccine sa matuturukan, so bakit naman dapat biglang ihinto at naging mas tanga yung current admin sa nangyari?  Sasabihin niyo pa na tinitigil  pa yung magandang proyekto ng dating admin na walang sapat na basehan.  Since naka roll na yung implementation and nabigyan na ng budget dire diretso na lang yan unless  magkaroon nga ng medical proof na may masamang epekto ito.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:38 AM

So what if PhP 3.5 is not enough? At least it still would have been put to better use. Now it's clear that PNoy poured PhP3.5 billion down the drain on a useless vaccine.
 


A cleanup drive will only be effective for a very short time if its not consistently sustained. Since mosquitoes have very short life cycle, the 3.5 billion will be wasted because this is a cyclical problem. So unless the ROI of the 3.5 billion can be recouped in just a couple of weeks, then its not really efficient.

The alleged overpriced acquisition is still nothing to scoff at, however. Yes, Im also peeshed off since it was my tax money that was used for purchasing these. Same as Im angry that my tax money now is being used to pay off incompetent officials.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:53 AM

Wala naman sinabi sa position paper na may masamang epekto ang vaccine sa matuturukan, so bakit naman dapat biglang ihinto at naging mas tanga yung current admin sa nangyari?  Sasabihin niyo pa na tinitigil  pa yung magandang proyekto ng dating admin na walang sapat na basehan.  Since naka roll na yung implementation and nabigyan na ng budget dire diretso na lang yan unless  magkaroon nga ng medical proof na may masamang epekto ito.


wala palang masamang epekto So bakit yun sa pangungutya mo ang hirit mo kung pinayuhan ba ni PNoy na magpabakuna sa Bimby.

Palusot pa more!

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:41 AM

With this administration's penchant for doing a 180 degrees, it's within their capability to stop a program cold turkey if they say or think it's not beneficial naman. Maybe they found some benefits to it at the time?



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:57 AM

The way i see it and one dutertard have confirmed, the risk factors were non-conclusive when it was implemented in fact not until recently. Its just that someone got too excited in bashing the former admin for administering the vaccine to kids. Pagkakataon nga naman to banatan ang kinasusuklaman nila kaso it backfired when told it was also continued by his lodi. who would have though mr competent lodi would also implement a project of thiS piece of trash ex-president. Ayun ... iba na ang kanta bigla. Siyempre di pwedeng maipit si lodi. Insulated dapat lagi sa kapalpakan.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:15 PM

 

Maybe Pnoy fast tracked the project in good faith by helping the children immunized in the same time getting funds in the upcoming elections then.  Like hitting 2 birds in one stone.  HIndi niya akalain na papalpak isang malaking foreign company.

 

 

wala palang masamang epekto So bakit yun sa pangungutya mo ang hirit mo kung pinayuhan ba ni PNoy na magpabakuna sa Bimby.

Palusot pa more!

 

Bad karma lang kailangan ni Penoy kaya ko dinamay si Bimby. My answer/opinion is already posted earlier. Camiar already posted the ineptness of Pnoy after that post. Ikaw naman lagi laging nandadamay gamit yang position paper ng WHO na wala namang concrete na sinasabi sa epekto nito.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 09:54 PM

Ofcourse that will be your answer after yun pangungutya mo backfired...

In fact that opinion that PNoy acted in good faith came in a bit too late when your back was already against the wall ... Segway move on your part. Palusot pa more.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:13 PM

When you filter all the biases and propaganda in the issue. Lumalabas na may kapalpakan on both admins.

Ang masaya dito. Ang mga turds sa thread eh kuntodo bash kay abnoy noong una. Ngayong lumalabas na ang iba pang information at nahahagip na ang lodi nila eh eto na. Sumesegway na or ipinipilit pa din na ibalik ang issue kay abnoy. Kaso may ilang observant na posters dito. Ayun nasosopla tuloy. Ang katotohanan parang kalye lang. Bago ka tumawid. Tingin muna sa kaliwa at kanan. Kapag hindi mo ginawa malamang masagasaan ka ng truth at masabihan ka pa na TANGA ng mga nakakita sa iyo.

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Posted 09 December 2017 - 06:13 AM

Sa US malabo mangyari ito simply because they will have a nightmare dealing with lawsuits malulugi ang gobyerno and Sanofi.  Think about the psychological effect nito sa mga magulang at batang nabigyan ng vaccine, after 2 years kapag nagkasakit (esp. high fever) na yung bata iisipin na baka ito yung side effect ng vaccine.
 
 

DOH eyes refund for dengue vaccine
By Mayen Jaymalin (The Philippine Star) | Updated December 5, 2017 - 12:00am
 
http://www.philstar....-dengue-vaccine

  

Bad karma lang kailangan ni Penoy kaya ko dinamay si Bimby. My answer/opinion is already posted earlier. Camiar already posted the ineptness of Pnoy after that post. Ikaw naman lagi laging nandadamay gamit yang position paper ng WHO na wala namang concrete na sinasabi sa epekto nito.


Kay linaw unang post mo is all about the psychological effect nito sa magulang at bata ...kinokondema mo opisyales dahil sa pagbigay ng vaccine.

So tanong ko sino sinong administrasyon ba nagadminister ng vaccine? pNoy lang ba? Bakit si DU30 di mo karmahin din?

Kung tulad ng sinasabi mo ngayong pagkatapos naipakita sa iyo mga datos na wala pang concrete effect o risk na nakita so anong mali sa ginawa at sasabihin mo na hindi ito mangyayari sa US for you to make that original comment? Sige palusot pa more ha. Halatang halata bias mo sa pagiging true objective sa issue.

Clearly objective mo lang is to bash PNoy and insulate Lodi from all of these




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